OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #81

[Cool Cats]

Why do you call the murderer of 8 people a Pastor? "Pastor Jake." Are you kidding me?

Jake never turned himself in and confessed because of knowing some Bible passages or attending church - while preying on Elizabeth. He would have spent his entire life lying to everyone that he didn't murder anyone if he hadn't got arrested and been faced with boatloads of evidence.

Jake is reinventing himself in jail but I don't believe it will work very well in a real maximum security prison where some inmates will have nothing to lose by beating the @#$%& out of him.

I don't think it has 100% sunk in for him yet what decades of prison will be like.

Right now he is all safe in jail with his huge team of protection to and from court, and enjoying being the center of attention and getting compliments from the prosecution for his testimony and having the support of 2 attorneys - with the court and media hanging on his every word.

He still smiles and is arrogant. This will not last. In prison he is a punk "pretty boy" kid, a know-it-all, and someone will @#$%& him up in prison. Put him in his place so to speak. He can expect to be preyed upon and used.

I will bet you.

 

[justtrish]

Random thought I saw a comment about the shoes in question going up to a size 14. It's possible the Walmart just didn't carry that size in stock. That is fairly large and I'd think maybe not many of those were in the store and possibly just something to order online to be shipped to the store. I've found many stores seem to carry the most likely sizes and then the outliers often aren't in store and have to be found online or a store made for big and tall guys.

 

[Myland]

Why do you call the murderer of 8 people a Pastor? Pastor Jake. Are you kidding me?

Jake never turned himself in and confessed because of knowing some Bible passages. He would have spent his entire life lying to everyone that he didn't murder anyone if he hadn't got arrested and been faced with boatloads of evidence.

Jake is reinventing himself in jail but I don't believe it will work very well in a real maximum security prison where some inmates will have nothing to loose by beating the @#$%& out of him.

I don't think it has 100% sunk in for him yet what prison will be like. He still smiles and is arrogant. This will not last.

Jmo it was stated in court people in jail refer to him as that. Not me I was just stating how he likes people look up to him. He has he is known as pastor Jake or Pastor Wagner. Is that not sick? I believe it is very sick. Jmo

 

[Skully67]

Jmo it was stated in court people in jail refer to him as that. Not me I was just stating how he likes people look up to him. He has he is known as pastor Jake or Pastor Wagner. Is that not sick? I believe it is very sick. Jmo

It could be the other inmates use that term to make fun of / ridicule him.

 

[justtrish]

It could be the other inmates use that term to make fun of / ridicule him.

I was thinking this as well. I am curious how George's defense team found out this is his nickname.. seems maybe it was asked to get a rise out of him or to rattle him.

 

[StrangeOne]

I've been thinking and going down a rabbit hole, I figured I'd just throw it out there and it's just all my thoughts/opinion, not fact.

I keep thinking about Jake saying after he shot everywhere, he heard Billy shoot twice. That is such a discrepancy to the 9 times we know Chris Sr was shot.

I feel like from his testimony he is minimizing George's role and attempting to take all blame (maybe because he feels guilty it was his decision, he didn't want to back out and George said it wasn't a good idea). He doesn't say George isn't there, but he sorta glosses over where George was or what he was doing.

We know Frankie's house was close. If you were shooting 2 people at 11pm when many people are still awake, wouldn't you want a lookout for Frankie's house? Remember Jake said AFTER Chris and Gary were shot he went over to Frankie's, but the doors were locked. What if he went BEFORE Chris and Gary were shot. What if he walked over there and that is why he doesn't know where the shots came from that hit Chris Sr arm and the door. He doesn't know because he didn't shoot him, George did. He doesn't know how many shots Billy fired after that because he was over at Frankie's house either checking doors or actually killing them then.

There seems to be a large gap in time from then to when we see those trucks going away from Union hill road and then back to it.. then away again and back. I think they were at Chris Sr trying to get into his safe. They covered the bodies because they didn't want to look at them while they were searching for what they wanted.

Just some random things I was pondering over today.

I think you are dead on!

 

[Myland]

It could be the other inmates use that term to make fun of / ridicule him.

Jmo it could be, but I think he likes it. Bragging like. Jmo I don’t think he views things like a normal person would. Jmo I can’t give him any credit for anything. He is a cold blooded killer. Jmo

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Thank you for making my point clearly.

It's hard to keep it all straight.

 

[StrangeOne]

No. IMO, he's in it for the long haul.

I agree. He's invested. He believes he just might get out of this. His brother is covering for him. I wonder if AW will do the same. Is there a way for these criminals to talk to each other through another party. Would a lawyer do such a thing?

 

[StrangeOne]

Why do you call the murderer of 8 people a Pastor? "Pastor Jake." Are you kidding me?

Jake never turned himself in and confessed because of knowing some Bible passages. He would have spent his entire life lying to everyone that he didn't murder anyone if he hadn't got arrested and been faced with boatloads of evidence.

Jake is reinventing himself in jail but I don't believe it will work very well in a real maximum security prison where some inmates will have nothing to lose by beating the @#$%& out of him.

I don't think it has 100% sunk in for him yet what prison will be like.

Right now he is all safe in jail with his huge team of protection to and from court, and being the center of attention. Getting compliments from the prosecution for his testimony and having the support of 2 attorneys - with the court and media hanging on his every word.

He still smiles and is arrogant. This will not last. He is a punk kid - know it all - and someone will @#$%& him up in prison.

I will bet you.

I don't know. He's standing behind the statement he did it to protect his daughter. We all know he was doing it because he's a controlling sexual predator but protecting your kids holds some weight in prison. What I hope for is someone on the inside who knows exactly what he is and lets other people know it too.

 

[LMDlong]

Was it said yet which shoe prints belonged to whom?

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Jmo I agree but that is according to Jake. In my opinion he had to put George there whether he was there or not to get death penalty taken off. He stated he didn’t want to die. Plus it would be many years in isolation on death row and Jake sure does like to talk and have people look up to him. Pastor Jake that is. Gag!! Jmo

All of the following, just my opinion:
1. The other two would not have taken on the Rhodens' without "numbers." There's no guarantee the first shot disables CR or that he isn't armed or that he's the one who comes to the door. There's no way to plan out a scenario where nothing goes wrong. We have heard testimony that Billy thought (or said he did) that Chris would retaliate if Hanna were murdered. So there is some reason to believe that Billy at the very least respected CR and perhaps feared him in this scenario. He won't want to get into a gunfight with CR and Gary if the numbers are even. Hence the ambush. And numbers.
2. Jake and George both signed custody over to Angela if something happened to them. See Irish's point, post #133. Why would this be necessary if George wasn't doing something that might get him killed.
3. I'm a full subscriber to the idea that this is a crime family who commits crimes together, and while some of the crimes might only involve one or two members of the family (Angie selling pups from the pound as purebred and George and Jake wrecking George's truck for insurance), the big ones involve the whole family (arson).
4. We have ample indicators that gathering guns, making silencers, buying the murder truck, and forging custody papers involved George. So he's on the hook in any case.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I think it's important to note that in the eyes of Ohio law for these charges, it doesn't really matter who shot who, if one did shot and one didn't or if everyone shot some, or one shot everyone and both others didn't shoot at all. It matters that they were all participants in the planning, execution of the plan, and cover up/clean up after.

I think the defense tactic is to convince the jury George didn't shoot so they hope it confuses even one of them about how the charges with conspiracy work. George didn't have to shoot to be guilty on all charges. At this point, I think the stradegy is to confuse the jury, muddy the waters and hope one juror is confused and because they don't think George fired a gun that night, they will vote not guilty.

It will be important for the judge to give clear instructions on how the law is to be applied and I have faith that some jurors will understand it well enough to explain it if during deliberations some jurors are getting hung up on that.

The closing will help too. I hope that prosecutor who is ultra-clear does the closing, with good graphics.

 

[Pru2U]

The closing will help too. I hope that prosecutor who is ultra-clear does the closing, with good graphics.

Amen to that!

 

[Chelly]

The closing will help too. I hope that prosecutor who is ultra-clear does the closing, with good graphics.

Hoping Prosecutor Andrew Wilson does the closing.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Hoping Prosecutor Andrew Wilson does the closing.

Ha ha, yep, that guy.

 

[Cool Cats]

I don't know. He's standing behind the statement he did it to protect his daughter. We all know he was doing it because he's a controlling sexual predator but protecting your kids holds some weight in prison. What I hope for is someone on the inside who knows exactly what he is and lets other people know it too.

Not the same. Killing someone because they really did sexually abuse your kid vs killing 8 people who never abused your kid and loved your kid.

Molestation = red herring

No one will buy it. That he killed 8 innocent people just in case the mother of his child might accidentally date a child molester some day. It was Angie's way to egg Jake on so she could get custody. The guy Hanna was with treated his daughter just fine. Was good to her.

His daughter was not being abused. This was an excuse to kill. He was defending no one. He is trying to minimize it.

Killing nursing mothers in bed, killing a teen, etc... Because what if some guy in the distant future tries to touch his daughter?

The inmates will see through him. He was jealous and if he couldn't have Hanna, no one could. He and Angie wanted custody and would kill to get it.

He killed 8 people that loved and protected his daughter. He killed no child molesters.

Inmates are not stupid. They see what we see and will treat him how he deserves.

If Jake thought a certain guy was abusing his daughter he would have went after that guy, filed police reports, and fought in court for custody, saying Hanna wasn't a fit mother.

 

[Myland]

Not the same. Killing someone because they abused your kid vs killing 8 people who never abused your kid and loved your kid.

No one will buy it. That he killed 8 innocent people just in case the mother of his child might accidentally date a child molester. The guy she was with treated his daughter just fine.

His daughter was not being abused. Excuse to kill. He was defending no one. He is trying to minimize it.

Killing nursing mothers in bed, killing a teen, etc... Because what if some guy in the distant future tries to touch his daughter?

The inmates will see through him.

Jmo other inmates have done something to be there too. It’s not like they are the most upstanding citizens. I don’t believe he will have as hard of a time in prison as we would like to think. Jmo I would say his smart mouth will get him in more trouble than anything jmo

 

[Betty P]

Random thought I saw a comment about the shoes in question going up to a size 14. It's possible the Walmart just didn't carry that size in stock. That is fairly large and I'd think maybe not many of those were in the store and possibly just something to order online to be shipped to the store. I've found many stores seem to carry the most likely sizes and then the outliers often aren't in store and have to be found online or a store made for big and tall guys.

Agree. The jury is local, too. They know what size shoes their local Walmart stocks.

 

[Chelly]

Jmo other inmates have done something to be there too. It’s not like they are the most upstanding citizens. I don’t believe he will have as hard of a time in prison as we would like to think. Jmo I would say his smart mouth will get him in more trouble than anything jmo

I was wondering how he would manage in a rough prison with his youthful appearance and slight build. In a photo last week of JW entering courthouse, it appeared that he had bulked up some...unless that was the bullet proof vest under his shirt. However, I do think he is probably using the gym at the jail.