OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #81

[rsd1200]

She was devastated, she was worried, she was an emotional wreck, she was in fear for their lives from the R's vengeance...but JW just told EA he'd" beat her" ...not beat her with a barbed wired bat in the barn, bulldoze that barn and set it on fire!!?? It's still all about her isn't it. she gets emotional over her dying father but not the devastating killings her menfolk committed!? SMH

She fully believes they were in the right. I'll never go without believing that G3 didn't have some of his own reasons, beyond S. AW wasn't permitted to go to the grows. Wasn't permitted to talk to CR2? She did do as G3 asked. AW, git ma gun. I wanna wave it at cars. AW gets his firearm from her purse and hands it to him. I would not, but I'm not subservient to a man.

 

[sunshineray]

Idk if I can find it or not but, during this trial, I did hear that it had been discovered that there had been some "peer age" exploration suspected. Not sexual abuse. I did not see that as being CR2 or an adult. I did not hear AW's testimony, and again, am catching up, but that's all I suspected it to be. AW may have substituted CR2 during her testimony? He cannot speak for himself now. It's also been over six years. As many folks as she feared, male and female, of abuse, who knows if she can keep track of who she accused to do what. She has been well-versed I'm sure, in how to present her testimony for the prosecution. She's putting G4 right there from what I gather, so she's not lying about everything, or is she? If she's lying about one thing, would she be another? Let's take down my Mr. high and mighty son, the above the family, son, down with us.

I'm just catching up to AW's testimony, there was a huge break in the Delphi girls case that's jept my attention. Everything I'm reading (I haven't looked at AW's first day highlights yet) is just making me so angry. I should have expected no less from this witness but so far it's seems it's all about AW and her family and no real remorse for the R's. Pardon my angry emojis. AJMO

 

[Betty P]

Court is on. They're allowing defense to raisee and objection and (AC) defend reasoning. Something about what AW said about her husband, expressing regret, it should be admissible. Judge asks if its relevant. AW said she regretted involving George and Jake in the homicides.

AC says it should be admitted. Hearsay exception, because AW was stating how she felt about not involving them, as well as Billy's feelings.

Judge quoting State v Clevenger, statements are not hearsay if they are about a co-consiprator. If conspiracy, declareant participated in conspracy, if it was in the process of conspiracy. (my translation)

Shorter: AW said she and Billy both said after the murders that they wished they hadnt involved Jake and George. AW saying Billy agreed with it might be hearsay. He's sustaining the objection, but see where it goes. If it comes from concern about covering up something, if they're afraid the kids will rat them out.

 

[arielilane]

Angela Wagner, mother of George Wagner IV and Edward ÒJakeÓ Wagner and wife of ÒBillyÓ Wagner, enters the Pike County Courthouse escorted by officials. The trial of George Washington Wagner IV resumes Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at the Pike County Common Pleas Court in Waverly, Ohio. Eight members of the Rhoden family were found shot to death at four different locations on April 21-22, 2016.

Pike County murder trial: Angela told the prosecution bloody shoeprints belonged to George

The mother of a man accused of killing eight people in Pike County in 2016 will continue testifying Wednesday, but opted out of being recorded by the media, so her testimony won't be broadcast.

www.wcpo.com

WAVERLY, Ohio — The mother of a man accused of killing eight people in Pike County in 2016 will continue testifying Wednesday, but opted out of being recorded by the media, so her testimony won't be broadcast.

This story will be updated with her testimony during breaks in court.

 

[pcrum12]

Another great point, Betty P.

Jake testified the intended target was Hanna. He testified CR, FR, CRjr & KR were killed out of fear of future retaliation. The rest were killed simply because they were there or might know who did it.

While none of us heard his testimony first hand, I'm of the opinion if Jake had testified he killed anyone (or everyone) because of what they had done to his little girl, the reporters would have reported it. Same for AW's testimony. According to testimony thus far, not one person died for (suspicion of) hurting that child. Not one.

"Why wait" Isn't that what AC said Jake said in the opening was it?

 

[Pru2U]

Idk if I can find it or not but, during this trial, I did hear that it had been discovered that there had been some "peer age" exploration suspected. Not sexual abuse. I did not see that as being CR2 or an adult. I did not hear AW's testimony, and again, am catching up, but that's all I suspected it to be. AW may have substituted CR2 during her testimony? He cannot speak for himself now. It's also been over six years. As many folks as she feared, male and female, of abuse, who knows if she can keep track of who she accused to do what. She has been well-versed I'm sure, in how to present her testimony for the prosecution. She's putting G4 right there from what I gather, so she's not lying about everything, or is she? If she's lying about one thing, would she be another? Let's take down my Mr. high and mighty son, the above the family, son, down with us.

The peer age exploration was in EA’s (Beth) testimony, talking about her brothers.

I just saw the thing about CRjr. I’ll go find it.

 

[rsd1200]

I'm just catching up to AW's testimony, there was a huge break in the Delphi girls case that's jept my attention. Everything I'm reading (I haven't looked at AW's first day highlights yet) is just making me so angry. I should have expected no less from this witness but so far it's seems it's all about AW and her family and no real remorse for the R's. Pardon my angry emojis. AJMO

I didn't take them personally. It all makes me angry too but I try to look at it through AW's twisted mind. I think she's spent the last couple decades being the wife who submits to the husband's will. Even if it's wrong, he is head of the household. However, it goes on, to state, that the husband is to never put the wife in a place of risking her integrity. We are not to get Biblical but AW did have a type of belief system, and I feel that it played into it all. It's not to say others of the same belief would go to such lengths. She knew it was wrong, she could have stopped it that night, with one simple call. She could have saved her sons then. She's upset that it had to happen, "to protect S", but more upset her family was caught.

 

[Betty P]

Court is on. They're allowing defense to raisee and objection and (AC) defend reasoning. Something about what AW said about her husband, expressing regret, it should be admissible. Judge asks if its relevant. AW said she regretted involving George and Jake in the homicides.

AC says it should be admitted. Hearsay exception, because AW was stating how she felt about not involving them, as well as Billy's feelings.

Judge quoting State v Clevenger, statements are not hearsay if they are about a co-consiprator. If conspiracy, declareant participated in conspracy, if it was in the process of conspiracy. (my translation)

Shorter: AW said she and Billy both said after the murders that they wished they hadnt involved Jake and George. AW saying Billy agreed with it might be hearsay. He's sustaining the objection, but see where it goes. If it comes from concern about covering up something, if they're afraid the kids will rat them out.

If the Judge decides to allow that statement that AW made to Billy (and his agreement) that they regretted including the boys in the conspiracy because they might rat them out to police, that statement is proof of conspiracy.

He's not deciding yet. Has to see if there's further indication the discussion between AW and Billy was concern over GW4 and Jake talking to LE, not a regret that they got their kids involved in murdering people.

 

[rsd1200]

The peer age exploration was in EA’s (Beth) testimony, talking about her brothers.

I just saw the thing about CRjr. I’ll go find it.

Thank you. Brain malfunction...

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/CFranciscoWCPO

Videos can be find at above link.

This is what it’s like when they come in from jail each morning:

Here, you'll see George walk inside first... then his mother walk inside.

And I can't show you Angela inside the courtroom, but I can show you George.

George is permitted to wear regular clothes during the trial. Angela has to wear her jail jumpsuit with the stripes. Under George's shirt, deputies have placed a vest that allows them to shock him remotely if he tries to escape or do anything disruptive.

 

[sunshineray]

Court is on. They're allowing defense to raisee and objection and (AC) defend reasoning. Something about what AW said about her husband, expressing regret, it should be admissible. Judge asks if its relevant. AW said she regretted involving George and Jake in the homicides.

AC says it should be admitted. Hearsay exception, because AW was stating how she felt about not involving them, as well as Billy's feelings.

Judge quoting State v Clevenger, statements are not hearsay if they are about a co-consiprator. If conspiracy, declareant participated in conspracy, if it was in the process of conspiracy. (my translation)

Shorter: AW said she and Billy both said after the murders that they wished they hadnt involved Jake and George. AW saying Billy agreed with it might be hearsay. He's sustaining the objection, but see where it goes. If it comes from concern about covering up something, if they're afraid the kids will rat them out.

Judge allowed JW to testify about his conversation with BW asking about regret. That could have been because BW and AW had this convo about regret. JW /BW convo was a result of that. It all ties in and should be allowed. AJMO

 

[Pru2U]

AW's first day of testimony as reported by Angenette Levy for @rsd1200 , @sunshineray and anyone else who may have missed it.

Wagner Family Matriarch Testifies at Son's Pike County Massacre Murder Trial: 'I Wasn't Raised to Believe in the Justice System'

Angela Wagner testified that she spoke to Jake and George Wagner about the murders beforehand — and she claimed they said their hearts weren't in it.

lawandcrime.com

 

[sunshineray]

I didn't take them personally. It all makes me angry too but I try to look at it through AW's twisted mind. I think she's spent the last couple decades being the wife who submits to the husband's will. Even if it's wrong, he is head of the household. However, it goes on, to state, that the husband is to never put the wife in a place of risking her integrity. We are not to get Biblical but AW did have a type of belief system, and I feel that it played into it all. It's not to say others of the same belief would go to such lengths. She knew it was wrong, she could have stopped it that night, with one simple call. She could have saved her sons then. She's upset that it had to happen, "to protect S", but more upset her family was caught.

I see a different dynamic. I see AW ruling the roost. Happy wife, happy life. I don't think BW has the backbone nor the intelligence you're giving him credit for. AJMO

 

[Chelly]

If the Judge decides to allow that statement that AW made to Billy (and his agreement) that they regretted including the boys in the conspiracy because they might rat them out to police, that statement is proof of conspiracy.

He's not deciding yet. Has to see if there's further indication the discussion between AW and Billy was concern over GW4 and Jake talking to LE, not a regret that they got their kids involved in murdering people.

Great conspiracy evidence against George by his own mother. Hope there is more to come. I really want the jury to be convinced of George's involvement.

 

[Pru2U]

https://twitter.com/CFranciscoWCPO

George is permitted to wear regular clothes during the trial. Angela has to wear her jail jumpsuit with the stripes. Under George's shirt, deputies have placed a vest that allows them to shock him remotely if he tries to escape or do anything disruptive.

Looks like George got a shirt with real sleeves. Not being sarcastic, it was something we all noticed last week.

 

[pcrum12]

I don't think AC is buying into anything. I think she is allowing Angela to tell the story. It doesn't have to make sense and we don't have to believe that Angela thought Sophia was being molested or that AC believes any of it. The motive was getting Sophia and we see in texts to Billy from Angela before the murders that she is harping about Sophia being red in her private areas and her suspecting something was going on. Their texts show she nagged him about it and he said he had a plan, he would tell her later. So weather Angela actually believes their was abuse or not isn't important. She told Billy this and it's clear from Jake's interactions with Hannah he mentions it also. It is the motive that lead to the murders. Angela kept putting it in Billy's head that something was going on and he needed to do something. Maybe it's made up and Angela never say any sign of abuse, but she used that to get Billy to make a plan and figure it out. That lead to the murders. So she's telling the story of how it lead to murder. We will never know if she really believed something was happening to Sophia or not, but her digital trail shows she pushed this issue, pushed it with Billy until he did something. This could be created to get control of the kids, this could be something Angela was so paranoid about she really thought everyone expect her own family was abusing the kids, she could have never saw a single sign of abuse and made it all up, but what we do know is there is proof she told others this is what she thought and saw signs of. She made Jake and Billy at least believe that Sophia was being harmed. Then Billy, wanting to make Angela happy (we see that in his texts also) made a plan and told the boys and then it went from there.

AC does not have to believe the story Jake and Angela have told in order to believe that in their minds this was happening and that is what lead to the murders. AC isn't saying the abuse was happening and so these evils people took out this family, she's allowing Angela and Jake to tell what THEIR motive was (real or imagined doesn't matter, it's what lead to them deciding murder was the only option).

Oh I understand and agree. It doesn't matter as to the case. The case is Murder period and the state has made it's case. What matters to me personally is the BS and AC allowing this THING to get this 30 year deal and get on the stand and slander her victims with LIES. No way, if they were so paranoid about SA that they wouldn't have RAN to the ER to verify and take that child. If it was TRUE, that would have been their answer. No murder needed. This THING should have never been given this good of a deal @ 30 years-- she should have only been offered same plea bargained for LWOP just like Jake. It's BS. Sorry ranting.

 

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[rsd1200]

If that was my grand child or my child I would've taken them straight to ER! I so agree they would've went straight over to the Rhodens and had it out if SW told her that!

Again, I didn't hear the testimony but from what I did hear, it could not be construed as sexual assault, if that's all that S told AW, by anyone with any abilities to properly talk to a small child. However, looking back... There have been AWs from way back. How many here remember the Day Care Horror of the 80s? AW was born in 1970 so I'd guess she'd remember.

The Wee Care case that sentenced Kelly Michaels to prison for 47 years was typical of the child-abuse hysteria that gripped the United States in the 1980s. At the peak of the frenzy of the great day-care witch hunt, it was the day-care workers, not the preschoolers, who were at risk. As the preschoolers, urged on by overzealous social workers, child therapists and prosecutors, told their incredible stories of sexual abuse and satanic rituals in courtrooms across the United States, scores of innocent people were sent off to prison. Some are still there. (link below)
Nightmare at the Day Care: The Wee Care Case

 

[pcrum12]

If that was my grand child or my child I would've taken them straight to ER! I so agree they would've went straight over to the Rhodens and had it out if SW told her that!

exactly

 

[iulia]

https://twitter.com/MonroeTrombly

@MonroeTrombly

On her second day on the stand in the #PikeCountyMassacre murder trial of her eldest son #GeorgeWagnerIV, Angela Wagner testified that to this day she doesn't know the particulars of who shot whom and how the night eight members of the Rhoden family were killed. (1/6)

Speaking in a small voice with an occasional cough to clear her throat, Angela spoke at length this morning about Elizabeth Armer, who married Wagner IV's brother Jake in March 2018 after the family moved to Alaska. (2/6)

"I thought she was a plant or spy for you guys," Angela said of Beth. Her evidence? That Beth asked weird questions and may have rifled through Angela's purse, but never stole anything. (3/6)

Other takeaways/tidbits from this morning: According to Angela, Beth tried to be a mother to Sophia, the child whom prosecutors say motivated the Wagners to kill the Rhodens. Angela said Beth took issue with Sophia keeping photos of Hanna May Rhoden, her deceased mother. (4/6)

Angela testified that she didn't trust Beth to be alone with Sophia. She even drafted a pre-marital agreement between Beth and Jake that ensured Beth would have no rights to Sophia if the couple divorced. (5/6)

Angela said several times that she was paranoid in the months/years after the homicides. She, her husband and two sons assumed their home and vehicles were bugged by authorities eavesdropping on their conversations. (6/6)