OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #83

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Junk saying they will rest their case. They will go through some exhibits on Monday. Doesn't involve jury and will take most of the day. Sounds like these exhibits are both prosecution and defense.

Judge getting ready to dismiss jurors. They're getting a 4 day break!
 
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During cross examination, Andrew Wilson, special prosecutor, focused on debunking Priest's findings, picking apart the draft report he'd put together; Priest had known he would testify Thursday for 10 days, he said, and he prepared his report in June based on the evidence he was sent in January. Wilson asked why, in an eight person homicide case, he'd only presented a draft report; Priest said typically after submitting that draft he has a back-and-forth discussion with defense attorneys, which didn't happen in this case.

In the report, Priest wrote he believed Chris Sr. was standing on the front porch of his home, not just inside the door as other witnesses testified earlier in the trial, including the coroner.

Wilson pointed out there was no blood evidence on the porch, but Priest said he wouldn't have expected to see any because wounds take time before they begin bleeding; he said he believed Chris Sr. made it back inside the trailer before the bleeding began.

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Wilson showed him the ballistic evidence, revisiting photos the jury saw earlier in the trial of the outside of Chris Sr.'s home. In the multiple bullet holes found on the outside of the trailer, Wilson pointed out two were abnormal; Priest agreed and said the shape of the holes indicated the bullets had begun to tumble because they'd been disrupted by something. In his report, Priest said he thought that disruption was Chris Sr. himself; Wilson asked pointed out there was no blood spatter on the outside of the home.

Wilson asked whether something else could have caused that tumbling effect.

"What if the round had to punch through an oil filter?" he asked.

"Oh, absolutely," said Priest.
 
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SIGNIFICANT: Testimony from an OH BCI expert is done. Pike Co. Prosecutor Rob Junk just said the State has no further witnesses. Junk said after admitting exhibits into evidence on Monday, the State plans to rest its case.

There's no court tomorrow because of Veteran's Day. Monday will be an evidence submission day. Jurors will be back in the jury box Tuesday morning at 9. #GeorgeWagnerIV's murder trial #PikeCountyMassacre #WLWT
 
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No mics on the lawyers podium nor seems any overhead.
I realize those small courts get the least funding.
I also wonder HOW that building was never brought up to code with an elevator. What if a juror/witness was handicap, how would s/he get upstairs.
JMO

Miss Geneva especially had that problem. Definitely should have an elevator. Sometimes she had to listen to the testimony on a monitor downstairs. Her family helps her climb the stairs like for Jake and Angela's confessions. I saw a journalist Twitter photo of her family around her on the top of the stairs for Jake's guilty plea. I kick myself for not book marking it.

It's nice to see her in court though, she is there, just not every time. Her kid's take good care of her.
 
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Anybody else get the feeling the prosecution has a sting in its tail (lil irony thur) and all 4 of these nuts r headed to death row?


Moo
 
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SIGNIFICANT: Testimony from an OH BCI expert is done. Pike Co. Prosecutor Rob Junk just said the State has no further witnesses. Junk said after admitting exhibits into evidence on Monday, the State plans to rest its case.

There's no court tomorrow because of Veteran's Day. Monday will be an evidence submission day. Jurors will be back in the jury box Tuesday morning at 9. #GeorgeWagnerIV's murder trial #PikeCountyMassacre #WLWT
I don't understand. Hasn't the evidence already been submitted all along?
 
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Anybody else get the feeling the prosecution has a sting in its tail (lil irony thur) and all 4 of these nuts r headed to death row?


Moo

I do not believe that the DP will be brought back. Angela and Jake did what their plea deals said and admitted their involvement and even placed George and Billy at the crime scenes. Jake had Billy shooting Gary and Chris and Kenny.

He gave alot of detailed information of George's involvement, specific things he did. Plus led BCI to the guns and truck used in the murders, giving alot of information about that evidence.

I think the 3 Wagner men getting LWOP would be the best outcome.

Angela won't walk out until she is 78 so I have come to have more peace with her 30 year no early release, no parole sentence. She deserves LWOP but if the family agreed to her plea deal then I can accept it. At age 78 who cares what she does? Her grand kids and possible great grand kids won't want anything to do with her. Who would?

Her grand kids have new families, new relatives, new lives now.
 
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I don't understand. Hasn't the evidence already been submitted all along?
Exhibits may be shown to the witness etc, but they have to be formally offered into evidence, a chance for objection, and then formally admitted into evidence. Often this is done in pretrial, or as the case proceeds and exhibits used. Sometimes at the end of a party's case, they will go through all the exhibits and make sure everything is properly offered and admitted. If an exhibit is not properly admitted, it is not part of the record.
 
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Exhibits may be shown to the witness etc, but they have to be formally offered into evidence, a chance for objection, and then formally admitted into evidence. Often this is done in pretrial, or as the case proceeds and exhibits used. Sometimes at the end of a party's case, they will go through all the exhibits and make sure everything is properly offered and admitted. If an exhibit is not properly admitted, it is not part of the record.

I would love to hear your opinion on if you think George is guilty of the murder conspiracy and the 8 murders. If you think the prosecution proved it's Case, and if you think the jury will believe Jake and Angela's testimony.

We don't get attorneys on the thread hardly ever.
 
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Also, as on Wednesday, jurors were provided transcripts as "listening aids" for the recordings. The media were not. The Enquirer's lawyer raised the issue with the court on Wednesday. The court has agreed to provide the transcripts later today or Monday. 4/7

From Patricia Gallagher Newberry twitter. So maybe we'll get a chance to know what the transcripts say.
 
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Exhibits may be shown to the witness etc, but they have to be formally offered into evidence, a chance for objection, and then formally admitted into evidence. Often this is done in pretrial, or as the case proceeds and exhibits used. Sometimes at the end of a party's case, they will go through all the exhibits and make sure everything is properly offered and admitted. If an exhibit is not properly admitted, it is not part of the record.
That's alot of exhibits. A day might not be enough. Ugh.
 
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Has anyone located the source of the wolf drawing.
 
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DBM
 
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That's alot of exhibits. A day might not be enough. Ugh.

I heard one of the prosecutors say they should be able to get through it.

I suppose we won't be seeing it?
 
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Has anyone located the source of the wolf drawing.

George's FB. Edit: Oh sorry, you probably meant where did GW4 get it ? I have no idea myself, maybe it's easy to find?

I tried blue wolf and one eyed wolf, there are many but no matches on the first page.

Think he might've wanted that for a tattoo?
 
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Re: Winter Soldier mask that was found. Was Winter Soldier a Captain America character called Bucky, then eventually became Captain America?
Apparently George identified with him?

Jake bought George the winter soldier mask that I read BCI found and asked them about.

George is the one who said he bought a Captain America mask and a night scope according to Scheiderer.

Canepa said the night scope would be convenient to shoot people in their sleep at night.
 
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Has anyone located the source of the wolf drawing.

The controversy over this is the way the eye looks in the photo. Kenny was shot in his right eye. The right eye in the photo is colored red with black spikes around it.

I posted it from George's Facebook. Here it is:

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George's Facebook
 

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Jake bought George the winter soldier mask that I read BCI found and asked them about.

George is the one who said he bought a Captain America mask and a night scope according to Scheiderer.

Canepa said the night scope would be convenient to shoot people in their sleep at night.
Good clarification. Thanks!
 
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Jake bought George the winter soldier mask that I read BCI found and asked them about.

George is the one who said he bought a Captain America mask and a night scope according to Scheiderer.

Canepa said the night scope would be convenient to shoot people in their sleep at night.

The pic of a ski mask shown in court was a bright or medium blue color, sort of the wrong color for night ops.

Winter soldier and Capt America must have gone into the fire.

Winter soldier in a search turns up a mask that's quite a bit different from a ski mask.

Capt America leaves the nose and chin exposed.
 
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At any point, can AW get time off her 30 year sentence for good behavior?
 
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