OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #83

[justtrish]

I give prosecutors a lot of credit. They are civil servants and could certainly make more money in private practice, where they would have squads of people to organize all of this stuff. It would be interesting to know how many human hours the prosecution and law enforcement have in preserving, packaging and organizing evidence. There is so much evidence in this case.

Absolutely. This is a massive case and she has done well. There is a lot of evidence. There is 8 weeks of evidence. I heard her a few days ago say she's getting 2-3 hours of sleep. She does the trial all day and likely plans for the next day for several hours after that and then is up early and back in the courthouse to get the defense what they need for that day. For the last 2+ months. She was sick going into this trial. It is taking it's toll.

I was also not impressed with the defense not even preparing their own witness and they have far less witnesses to even prepare so what is their excuse?

 

[ColMustard]

"I love ya mom.."

Alternative to "bless your little heart"?

In todays recordings, I dont think there was any mention of the tattoos, so no need to discuss them today. That’s already been covered in other witness testimony, photos, dates, etc.

Not the recordings, it was while Priest was on the stand, the expert for the defense, before they began with recordings for today. If it was there, I missed it, but some posters here and some reporter's tweets said they did talk about the tattoos. I think it must've been right before Wilson asked about "the taking of souvenirs" by murderers.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Perhaps one person wore two left shoes???

That was also my immediate thought.

 

[sunshineray]

"I love ya mom.."

Alternative to "bless your little heart"?


Not the recordings, it was while Priest was on the stand, the expert for the defense, before they began with recordings for today. If it was there, I missed it, but some posters here and some reporter's tweets said they did talk about the tattoos. I think it must've been right before Wilson asked about "the taking of souvenirs" by murderers.

Yes it was merely touched upon but not any real specifics that I remember. I was catching up all day so behind everyone else. I think it might have been right around when the wolf picture was shown, IIRC.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Do you believe GW4 will be set free?

I don't know JBB. Your guess is as good as mine. We have not heard what the defense has. We know the defense has subpoenaed a deputy who was one of the lead investigators on the case for BCI. What is that former investigator going to say about the evidence and investigation against George? He is one of those who interviewed George at the MT border. Keep in mind George was never called back in for an interview after the one in MT. He was only interviewed one time. They sent him a text and asked him to meet and talk with them somewhere, but he was never called back in an interrogation room after MT. That is like you or I might be interviewed one time and then dismissed as a suspect and told to go on our merry way.

Everyone else was called back in for interviews. Jake, Billy, Angie but not George. WHY? What did George tell them in MT and what was this investigators conclusion about George's guilt or innocence from that interview? And what did George find out about the evidence against Jake there? We heard that rant about George thinking Tabbi was there and talking to BW. But he didn't seem at all concerned he was a suspect or the subject of an investigation all the way up until August of 2018. He worried about Jake and Angie being suspects, but not himself.

Also the defense can call Jake and Angie back to the stand as witnesses. Point out all the lies they told on the stand that we now have evidence to support.

I just don't see where the state has proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt. They proved that Jake and Angie were guilty. But for the first 28 days of trial George's name was only mentioned 2 times. That has to weigh heavy on the jury. 28 straight days of Jake and Angie.

For over 6 years I believed 100% that George along with the other 3 were guilty. I wanted him to be guilty. I wanted the prosecution to come out hard and strong with conclusive proof of his guilt that could not leave room for doubt. After about the 7th day of trial I started getting a sinking feeling in my stomach that the state didn't have any evidence against him and that is why they tried to overload the jurors mind with evidence against Jake and Angie. I guess they were hoping if they slung enough spaghetti at the wall some of it might stick to George in the jury's mind.

I know everyone on here is yelling guilty but if we truly want to put ourselves in the place of jurors, then we need to sit though the defense side of the case with an open mind. The problem with us is we saw all the pre trial motions which they jury did not see or hear. We have seen all the arguments about evidence after the jury was sent out of the room.

Here is one thing I heard today that gave me real pause. The judge wants the prosecution to go through all the evidence and present to him only the evidence they have directly against George on Monday. In other words weed out all the BS about burned DVR's, guns from Freds, different caliber shell casings, supplies Jake and Angie bought, evidence against Jake and Angie and testimony from those two ect. He is going to look at the evidence against ONLY George then rule whether to proceed or dismiss the case against George based on lack of evidence. When Deering asked Canepa how long it would take to gather evidence against George ONLY, she said not very long. I have never seen or heard of a judge doing that during a trial. Neither has hubby who has worked I don't know how many federal investigations. Unless it is just an Ohio thing that the judge does this before the defense starts their side of the trial, I don't know.

And one thing we should keep in mind. It is not a crime to scream at your brother because you are stressed out and frustrated and feel he caused all your financial and family problems. If I was innocent I might do a little screaming at my brother too for dragging the whole family into that mess. I might even do more than scream.

We can all speculate, but in the end it is the decision of the jury. If there is just one person who thinks about things objectively and stands their ground, there may be a hung jury. All I can say is it ain't over til it's over.

Just something to think about over the weekend.

JMO

 

[Skully67]

I don't know JBB. Your guess is as good as mine. We have not heard what the defense has. We know the defense has subpoenaed a deputy who was one of the lead investigators on the case for BCI. What is that former investigator going to say about the evidence and investigation against George? He is one of those who interviewed George at the MT border. Keep in mind George was never called back in for an interview after the one in MT. He was only interviewed one time. They sent him a text and asked him to meet and talk with them somewhere, but he was never called back in an interrogation room after MT. That is like you or I might be interviewed one time and then dismissed as a suspect and told to go on our merry way.

Everyone else was called back in for interviews. Jake, Billy, Angie but not George. WHY? What did George tell them in MT and what was this investigators conclusion about George's guilt or innocence from that interview? And what did George find out about the evidence against Jake there? We heard that rant about George thinking Tabbi was there and talking to BW. But he didn't seem at all concerned he was a suspect or the subject of an investigation all the way up until August of 2018. He worried about Jake and Angie being suspects, but not himself.

Also the defense can call Jake and Angie back to the stand as witnesses. Point out all the lies they told on the stand that we now have evidence to support.

I just don't see where the state has proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt. They proved that Jake and Angie were guilty. But for the first 28 days of trial George's name was only mentioned 2 times. That has to weigh heavy on the jury. 28 straight days of Jake and Angie.

For over 6 years I believed 100% that George along with the other 3 were guilty. I wanted him to be guilty. I wanted the prosecution to come out hard and strong with conclusive proof of his guilt that could not leave room for doubt. After about the 7th day of trial I started getting a sinking feeling in my stomach that the state didn't have any evidence against him and that is why they tried to overload the jurors mind with evidence against Jake and Angie. I guess they were hoping if they slung enough spaghetti at the wall some of it might stick to George in the jury's mind.

I know everyone on here is yelling guilty but if we truly want to put ourselves in the place of jurors, then we need to sit though the defense side of the case with an open mind. The problem with us is we saw all the pre trial motions which they jury did not see or hear. We have seen all the arguments about evidence after the jury was sent out of the room.

Here is one thing I heard today that gave me real pause. The judge wants the prosecution to go through all the evidence and present to him only the evidence they have directly against George on Monday. In other words weed out all the BS about burned DVR's, guns from Freds, different caliber shell casings, supplies Jake and Angie bought, evidence against Jake and Angie and testimony from those two ect. He is going to look at the evidence against ONLY George then rule whether to proceed or dismiss the case against George based on lack of evidence. When Deering asked Canepa how long it would take to gather evidence against George ONLY, she said not very long. I have never seen or heard of a judge doing that during a trial. Neither has hubby who has worked I don't know how many federal investigations. Unless it is just an Ohio thing that the judge does this before the defense starts their side of the trial, I don't know.

And one thing we should keep in mind. It is not a crime to scream at your brother because you are stressed out and frustrated and feel he caused all your financial and family problems. If I was innocent I might do a little screaming at my brother too for dragging the whole family into that mess. I might even do more than scream.

We can all speculate, but in the end it is the decision of the jury. If there is just one person who thinks about things objectively and stands their ground, there may be a hung jury. All I can say is it ain't over til it's over.

Just something to think about over the weekend.

JMO

When did Deering say he only wanted the evidence against GW4..I missed that.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I want to hear defense b4 I decide. Right now, GW4 looks to at least be involved in cover up after the fact.

That is my take on it also. He found out in MT and started helping Jake and Angie cover for it. But according to Ohio law he is not committing a crime by not reporting a crime his family did.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

When did Deering say he only wanted the evidence against GW4..I missed that.

At the very last when the jury left for the day. The last maybe 2 minutes?

JMO

 

[Skully67]

That is my take on it also. He found out in MT and started helping Jake and Angie cover for it. But according to Ohio law he is not committing a crime by not reporting a crime his family did.

JMO

I'd still like to see the Ohio Revised Code section that says you aren't guilty in some way by covering up a crime committed by someone you're related to.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I think he was definitely involved in killing at least one victim.

There is circumstantial evidence.

JW murdered 5 victims and shot an additional victim. It sounded to me like JW was more afraid of GW in the truck than GW was of JW.

All JMO.

I don't know. It was pretty chilling to hear Jake say in that low quiet voice "You will not insult my wife."

If I had been George I would have been praying I made it back to the trucking company so I could get a new driving partner.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I'd still like to see the Ohio Revised Code section that says you aren't guilty in some way by covering up a crime committed by someone you're related to.

I think @rsd1200 or @Cool Cats posted it. Maybe they would be a couple of sweethearts and post it again for us.

 

[sunshineray]

Jmo isn’t it odd that both shoe prints are of left shoe. Why do right shoe print?

Why are two left shoes odd if two people were inside moving bodies and probably looking for money etc...? The reason, most likely and in my opinion, there's not right shoe print is because the killers tried to smeared away all the prints...they missed two. That's the simplest and most logical explanation to me. AJMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

When both sides were working out which audio of conversations would be allowed, I think there was mention in a tweet of one statement by GW4 which was something like "the family has spoken". Does anyone know if audio of that statement was ever played for the jury?

Not that I heard.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I want to hear defense b4 I decide. Right now, GW4 looks to at least be involved in cover up after the fact.

here is Cia's post referring to Rule 29 or something if that helps. About the judge asking for evidence against just george to review Monday.

What is the reason no court Monday? I've read the Rule 29, but does that take ALL day?

Also, just read they "may" go over evidence???? What evidence if anyone knows?

Yeah that is what I would like to know. What evidence? They don't have any evidence against George.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

It sounded like Jake was the one driving the truck during George’s rant. If he’d hit Jake, he might have crashed the truck. Self-preservation on George’s part.

You are probably correct.

JMO

 

[Skully67]

I'd still like to see the Ohio Revised Code section that says you aren't guilty in some way by covering up a crime committed by someone you're related to.

Possibly you mean this section

Section 2921.22 | Failure to report a crime or knowledge of a death or burn injury.

(G) Divisions (A) and (D) of this section do not require disclosure of information, when any of the following applies

(2) The information would tend to incriminate a member of the actor's immediate family

 

[OhioBlues]

I don't know. It was pretty chilling to hear Jake say in that low quiet voice "You will not insult my wife."

If I had been George I would have been praying I made it back to the trucking company so I could get a new driving partner.

JMO

I think JW was praying to get away from GW in that truck..

JW spoke in a less elevated and more rational manner but GW was in a rage for
45 minutes. It's almost impossible for a person to yell or scream like that non stop for 45 minutes. It's irrational.

JW would defend his brother if he witnessed GW kill person or people in cold blood. He may have been afraid for his own life.

I am not saying that JW didn't kill people.

GW seemed to be bloodthirsty IMO.

All JMO.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Possibly you mean this section

Section 2921.22 | Failure to report a crime or knowledge of a death or burn injury.

(G) Divisions (A) and (D) of this section do not require disclosure of information, when any of the following applies

(2) The information would tend to incriminate a member of the actor's immediate family

That may be it. @rsd1200 and @Cool Cats ?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I think JW was praying to get away from GW in that truck..

JW spoke in a less elevated and more rational manner but GW was in a rage for
45 minutes. It's almost impossible for a person to yell or scream like that non stop for 45 minutes. It's irrational.

JW would defend his brother if he witnessed GW kill person or people in cold blood. He may have been afraid for his own life.

I am not saying that JW didn't kill people.

GW seemed to be bloodthirsty IMO.

All JMO.

GW sounded like someone on diet pills. Amphetamines. Meth.

I have never seen it but my GS who is tribal LE told me about people who go on a bender on meth, and not eat or sleep for days then go into a rant. They call it twigging out or wigging out or twittering out I think my GS said. Maybe someone on here knows more about it than I do and can explain it better.

ETA: He said one guy was pulling his toenails off with a pair of needle nosed pliers while screaming he had bugs under his toenails after seeing some toenail fungus ad on TV.
Now that is bat shyte crazy right there.



JMO

 

[sunshineray]

When did Deering say he only wanted the evidence against GW4..I missed that.

IIRC wasn't he saying Monday was for addressing whatever audios from the wiretaps were left that the Prosecution were thinking about playing and entering into evidence?