OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #84

[rsd1200]

I'm not sure he believes everything GW4 says, but he probably thinks it sounds like something people might believe if they don't live in Pike County. Whatever works, right?

Are you talking about his checking account? I may be missing something. Do you live in Pike County?

 

[Pru2U]

52:45 or so he is talking about turning off the body worn camera and not on. Says there was audio of it and the defense repeats and he says yes there is audio.

33:50 Suspects were given miranda warning because this was an interview where they were not considered suspects.

34:52 We are required to do a video or audio of any interview done in custody for certain crimes and murder is one of them.

Thank you, justtrish! It wasn't making any sense to me there wasn't audio. It wasn't making sense they could or would have gone forward with the interview without at least audio.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

If he is found not guilty? It will be all up to GW4 how his life will progress. It is up to him. We all have choices and options, opportunities in life and GW4 is no different, though he failed to make any changes previously when he claimed to dislike his family. I see that there is evidence of beyond a reasonable doubt though. Believe me, I tried to see him as innocent. Would never want to see an innocent person wrongly convicted. IMO

Is it possible that you could list that evidence for me because I have never seen it. TIA

 

[rsd1200]

Two brothers, that do practically everything together, go to the same gun show on the same day and even if not together at the show, at the end of the day they don't show each other what they bought at the show?

Three guns were added to the Wagner collection that day, and even though the gun safe was nearly "overflowing at times" because they kept most of their guns in that safe, G4 doesn't see the new Walther?

All those .22 casings fired and covering the grounds and G never saw the Walther? There were so many with the Walther firing pin impression.

Maybe since it was a collector piece in JW's mind, he was anal about it. then, on the night of the murders, he got his chance to play Darryl Dixon.

 

[Chris_p_bacon]

This is just my impression of George4.
On the plus side, he was very disciplined on the stand and for the most part, stuck to answers he thought were safe and reasonable. Of course he denied the murders.

But take, for example, his reasoning for not wanting/allowing TC to see their son--"because she wanted to bring her mother and her sister." That's so terribly controlling, considering that the visits would happen either under supervision or (perhaps) at a local place like a McDonald's where the boy would be nowhere near someone with a history of molestation. I truly do not believe the story about TC's mother "holding her down." TC was very clear that she did not want BW anywhere near her molester. There is no reason to keep a mother, grandmother and aunt away from short supervised or nearby public visits with the mother's child. Zero, none. G4 was violating the custody agreement which required reasonable access to the child. And yes, I know this case is riddled with victims of sexual abuse, but there is no reason to perpetrate that abuse by denying victims access to their children. TC and Hanna and Beth had done nothing wrong to suggest they were molesters or enablers of that behavior. Period. This litany of victim blaming is highly offensive. Edited to add: Given his contempt for TC's mother and sisters, and considering Jake's reasons for murdering Hanna's family, TC was right to fear for her life. There are a lot of dots to connect here.

And it was gobsmacking that he "didn't have anyone but Angela" to leave his son with when the son has a mother, after all the terrible things he said about her. And that he thought HE should be raising Sophia instead of Jake, especially when his testimony is that he was rarely home, only got about an hour of sleep at night (driving big rigs, very safe) and spent most of his time when not working poaching deer with illegal gear.

Yeah, he likes to kill things when he has an advantage. There is no way a man this angry and arrogant would have missed all that prep for the murders. No way. And all those deer head trophies on the wall. Makes it so believable that the tattoo isn't the only kind of "trophy" he could take away from the slaughter of 8 innocents./s

In my view, G4 has a "tell." He lies and then closes his eyes and looks down. He also came across to me as someone who is contemptuous of others, including the prosecutor. The insistence on "can I tell the whole story?" in a contemptuous, challenging tone, instead of answering questions can be contrasted with the testimony of TC and Beth, who took even very personal questions about traumatic behavior head on, eyes up, and without anger or contempt for the prosecutor.

I wouldn't be surprised to see TC on the stand again in rebuttal. I believed her. She was a strong witness. But the closing should be a lot of visual aids about the lies G4 told on the stand, about the changing stories and contradictions.

Yes. I saw George's "tell" also.

I also wonder where he draws the line as to what is acceptable and what is not. As far as, he has not problem illegally killing at night. Now he is trying to say that it is ok to poach deer at night, but murdering 8 people in the night as two of them are nursing infants. Well that is just not his style. I know that he was a part of this crime family through and through. I know that he knew about the murders ahead of time (purchased bug detector), participated in the murders (more than likely was the look out), and attempted to help cover it up(consistent cover story at the montana border). It is only now he is trying to save his own skin by taking the stand. Unfortunately, I think he might have sowed enough doubt in just one juror to be let off on most of the charges.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I'm not sure he believes everything GW4 says, but he probably thinks it sounds like something people might believe if they don't live in Pike County. Whatever works, right?

But the jury does live in Pike County right? And when it is all said and done they are the only ones who count in what to believe or not. I have no idea since I do not live in that area. I think there is no way any of us who do not live in the area could know what is common to the area unless we have researched it. So maybe the defense attorneys researched it.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Silas probably knows that George put up cash for the purchase but this doesn't in any way prove that he, George knew the reason for the purchase. Didn't Billy say Silas was short of money and this was a way to help him out of a hole (not necessarily in those words)

George testified that he loaned Billy the money to buy a truck. That is already on the record and that he saw the truck before Billy and Chris Sr drove it away.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

didn't they go to that particular WalMart to avoid being seen by locals from their regular WalMart?

Was there testimony that George knew that?

 

[Skully67]

52:45 or so he is talking about turning off the body worn camera and not on. Says there was audio of it and the defense repeats and he says yes there is audio.

33:50 Suspects were given miranda warning because this was an interview where they were not considered suspects.

34:52 We are required to do a video or audio of any interview done in custody for certain crimes and murder is one of them.

Thanks. So did Ryan interview GW4? Who interviewed the others?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

IMO li'l George is very angry. It just seeps out of him. It's everyone's and everything's fault that he didn't fulfill his wants and needs to get for him the life he wanted. He may be angriest at himself for not leaving to live on his own, earning his own living and not supporting his parents. I thought yesterday while watching him that...and don't be offended..but this murder may have been just like any other job or project his parents told him to do, just something to get out of the way and off his plate.

How angry would you be if you were locked up for 4 years without any evidence against you?

JMO

 

[justtrish]

Thanks. So did Ryan interview GW4? Who interviewed the others?

No Agent Scheiderer was one of the 2 agents who interviewed Jake. He said 2 BCI agents were in each room with each Wagner when the interviews happened.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

https://twitter.com/CFranciscoWCPO (additional tweets)

Prosecution finished process of submitting exhibits. They still have to officially rest their case and the defense typically asks for a judgement of acquittal. That may happen when the jury comes back.

The judge will likely deny that motion. Then, prosecutors are set to call George's Great Uncle Silas Wagner to the stand. He has opted out of letting us record his testimony. So, I will be inside taking notes for you.

I thought the state said they had no more witnesses. Silas W was subpoenaed by the defense.

JMO

 

[Myland]

Jmo here’s my thing the Prosecutors are holding the admitted killer up as as some save the day hero who comes in to convict the one (to maybe death) who either couldn’t see over the filter or didn’t have the guts to pull the trigger according to Capena. They are putting Jake Wagner, now Pastor Wagner as a high standard for a confessed killer. To me Jake and Angela are laughing inside as they smirk all around the people they are telling their stories to now. Jmo

 

[Skully67]

No Agent Scheiderer was one of the 2 agents who interviewed Jake. He said 2 BCI agents were in each room with each Wagner when the interviews happened.

So who interviewed GW4 and do we know if we have audio. Ryan's testimony didn't seem to be specific about GW4s interview, but only his interview with his subject.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Anytime prosecution can get a defendant on the stand and prove they are lying about something, it shows the jury that they are capable of lying and are likely doing so re their innocence.

He did not lie about any of that. He testified about all the crimes he did but they have nothing to do with this case.

JMO

 

[NWLady]

Without a doubt in my mind she got a sweetheart deal. I can only hope she receives prison justice. She earned it. BW is #2 on my list. These two deserve life for the way they admittedly raised their children to be thieving punks and murderers. Im on the fence as to whether 4 actually killed anyone. I AM NOT ON THE FENCE about his involvement in all aspects from planning to cover-up. GW4 was/is a lot of things but a goody two shoe isn't one of them, as he has apparently convinced the naive. JMO

Thank you, well said. A "like" just wasn't enough. I agree with what you said and these are my exact feelings as well at this point. Thanks again for this post.

 

[justtrish]

I thought the state said they had no more witnesses. Silas W was subpoenaed by the defense.

JMO

10/31/2022	SUBPOENA ISSUED TO SILAS WAGNER Attorney: CANEPA, ANGELA R
10/31/2022	SHERIFFS RETURN ON SUBPOENA -- SILAS WAGNER SERVED 10/31/22

Silas Wagner was subpoenaed by the prosecution.

 

[Nanasteele]

Anytime prosecution can get a defendant on the stand and prove they are lying about something, it shows the jury that they are capable of lying and are likely doing so re their innocence.

Very true Betty P!

 

[Pru2U]

So who interviewed GW4 and do we know if we have audio. Ryan's testimony didn't seem to be specific about GW4s interview, but only his interview with his subject.

BCI agent Jennifer Comisford and Agent Rick Ward did Angela's interview but I do not believe the agents who interviewed George or Billy have taken the stand because neither interview (audio) has been introduced (that I can remember).

There SHOULD be audio of all 4 Wagners. WE (sleuths) cannot prove there IS audio for GW because it has not been introduced into evidence (that we know of) but Scheiderer did testify they are required by law to record and he did say they have audio. Whether he was talking about one or all four is not clear.

Clear as mud?

 

[Skully67]

BCI agent Jennifer Comisford and Agent Rick Ward did Angela's interview but I do not believe the agents who interviewed George or Billy have taken the stand because neither interview (audio) has been introduced (that I can remember).

There SHOULD be audio of all 4 Wagners. WE (sleuths) cannot prove there IS audio for GW because it has not been introduced into evidence (that we know of) but Scheiderer did testify they are required by law to record and he did say they have audio. Whether he was talking about one or all four is not clear.

Clear as mud?

I guess I'd like to hear testimony that they do have audio of GW4. But it's a moot point. If I was on the jury, I'd be wondering why it wasn't introduced. Canepa saying you said this you said that at Montana interview doesn't cut it for me. I'd dismiss that line of questioning.