OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #84

[Myland]

JMO MOO

George knew.

He also knew right from wrong.

JMO MOO

Landowners and their resident children are free to hunt on their private property, but they still have to follow hunting laws, and night hunting for deer is illegal. George admitted on the stand he was poaching. Edit: If I recall he volunteered that statement, but he may have been asked.

Jmo poaching is against the law and terrible but goodness gracious we are over run with deer here. I just about hit one every day on my way to work. So in my opinion I couldn’t give George the death penalty for illegally killing a few deer.

 

[arielilane]

Posted at 8:50 AM, Nov 18, 2022

and last updated 1 hour ago

WAVERLY, Ohio — Both the prosecution and the defense officially rested their cases before the jury on Friday after spending days arguing and entering evidence the jury will have during upcoming deliberations.
Judge Randy Deering announced there would be no court the entire week of Thanksgiving, however, both for the holiday and for medical appointments made by members of the jury.
Closing arguments will be held Monday, Nov. 28.

Pike County murder trial: State and defense rest, court paused for holiday week

Both the prosecution and the defense officially rested their cases before the jury on Friday after spending days arguing and entering evidence the jury will have during upcoming deliberations.

www.wcpo.com

 

[arielilane]

Is it possible that you could list that evidence for me because I have never seen it. TIA

Possible. Not probable. Maybe I'll get a list together some day.

 

[rsd1200]

Jmo poaching is against the law and terrible but goodness gracious we are over run with deer here. I just about hit one every day on my way to work. So in my opinion I couldn’t give George the death penalty for illegally killing a few deer.

I have nothing against deer, and they're beautiful to watch, they graze with my horses, but we're overrun. I could give a flip about him poaching a deer. Idk how many lay dead along the highways if they can't limp off and die a painful death.

 

[ColMustard]

Jmo poaching is against the law and terrible but goodness gracious we are over run with deer here. I just about hit one every day on my way to work. So in my opinion I couldn’t give George the death penalty for illegally killing a few deer.

Did not suggest that, but there was previous posts earlier this evening suggesting they could poach on their own land.

I live in the #1 state for car vs. deer collisions, ten years straight.

 

[Chris_p_bacon]

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My point is this, once a criminal starts down a path of doing illegal acts and especially if he does not get caught, where does that criminal draw the line. Each time he gets away with an illegal activity he gets emboldened and continues to commit crimes/felonies. Just based on his own testimony, I think it is fair to say George was involved in numerous Illegal activities including chopping up vehicles that he knew would be reported as stolen, Stealing diesel fuel, Insurance fraud, Poaching, and many others. Part of the reason he got away with it is because he WAS part of a criminal enterprise for many, many years. The criminal enterprise was his immediate family members (Mother, father, brother). Two members of this criminal enterprise have said on the record that he was a part of the plot to kill 8 people in the middle of the night.

I had to go back and watch several of Mike Dewine's press conferences and how it matched with George's testimony. such as how George describing looking for surveillance cameras and Dewine's earliest press conference describing how the killers took steps to avoid detection such as removing survellence cameras. I just find it interesting DeWines press conference the day they all 4 were arrested he states "and all the Lies they told". I believe that also matches with Georges testimony yesterday. He told a lot of lies.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

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52:45 or so he is talking about turning off the body worn camera and not on. Says there was audio of it and the defense repeats and he says yes there is audio.

33:50 Suspects were given miranda warning because this was an interview where they were now considered suspects.

34:52 We are required to do a video or audio of any interview done in custody for certain crimes and murder is one of them.

He did say he turned it completely off.

JMO

 

[Myland]

Jmo but another reason Jake and Angela has to lie is jealousy that George could get an inheritance from FW. Did u hear his testimony that Fw skipped Billy to leave her inheritance to Jake and George to avoid inheritance tax. Jmo

 

[Pru2U]

Jmo exactly I am home with no solid alibi. I would say there is zero chance I would be accused of something but it is possible for a person to be wrongly accused and not have a solid alibi.jmo

Jmo I believe George was born into this mess from the start. He didnt get to choose his family. The whole family is a mess. I believe Jake and Angela are pure evil. I do feel a little for Jake because he was born into the mess also. I can’t see that pure evil in George from what was presented in the trial. Jmo

I hear ya & I try hard to see where you’re coming from. It’s good to get different perspectives.

The problem with George’s alibi is circumstantial evidence puts him at the scene. An eye witness* puts him at the scene and a second eye witness* swore under oath GW was not home as he said he was.

Now, two things to note on that: it is my understanding (from reading law sites) circumstantial evidence ranks second to witness testimony and above direct evidence in resulting in most convictions. In other words, more convictions come from circumstantial rather than direct evidence. Interesting, huh?

Second: the judge will give the jury special instructions* on how they should consider/weigh testimony by the eye witnesses* (JW & AW) due to their pleas.

I’ve said it at least 3 times; IMO all 4 of them are criminals & liars. I can’t give any one of them any more credence than the other because by their own individual admissions, there isn’t an honest one in the bunch.

I very strongly believe in & trust the work BCI did & the evidence they brought to the trial. I’m not thrilled with AC but not going to condem her either. The defense came out strong in the end with GW’s testimony and I think it’s very possible they just might succeed in getting George acquitted.

I know what I think. I also know what I think doesn’t matter. I don’t envy the jury but I do trust them to consider ALL the evidence & testimony and I trust they will make the right decision on each of the 22 charges.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

You're right. It is illegal and he IS on trial. Karma.

Testimony, even his own, indicates George broke just about every ODNR law from bagging limits to the times he hunted to the weapons he used in addition to basic rules of good gamesmanship, sportsmanship and basic human decency.

Rule 1501:31-15-11 - Ohio Administrative Code | Ohio Laws

codes.ohio.gov

Here it is legal to kill deer year round on your own property. George testified he hunted on his own property.
Unless Ohio is radically different it was not illegal, and he testified they ate all the deer they killed.

I don't fault anyone for killing something for themselves and their family to eat. I would say it is done all over the Appalachian region because I know it is here.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

You're right. It is illegal and he IS on trial. Karma.

Testimony, even his own, indicates George broke just about every ODNR law from bagging limits to the times he hunted to the weapons he used in addition to basic rules of good gamesmanship, sportsmanship and basic human decency.

Rule 1501:31-15-11 - Ohio Administrative Code | Ohio Laws

codes.ohio.gov

But is he on trial for poaching deer???

 

[justtrish]

He did say he turned it completely off.

JMO

Yes he said he turned it completely off.. the body worn camera. THEN keep listening. Very next thing he says is we have audio and Parkers says right there is audio.

52:28
Agent Scheiderer:

We thought we turned it on we actually turned it
completely off


52:47

Agent Scheiderer: but we did
have an audio recording

Parker: right there is an audio

Agent Scheiderer: yes

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Yes. I saw George's "tell" also.

I also wonder where he draws the line as to what is acceptable and what is not. As far as, he has not problem illegally killing at night. Now he is trying to say that it is ok to poach deer at night, but murdering 8 people in the night as two of them are nursing infants. Well that is just not his style. I know that he was a part of this crime family through and through. I know that he knew about the murders ahead of time (purchased bug detector), participated in the murders (more than likely was the look out), and attempted to help cover it up(consistent cover story at the montana border). It is only now he is trying to save his own skin by taking the stand. Unfortunately, I think he might have sowed enough doubt in just one juror to be let off on most of the charges.

First do you have proof it is illegal to kill deer on your own land day or night?

Second are you a hunter? If so would you kill deer but not draw the line at killing a human being?

That is a pretty huge assumption that because you are a hunter who kills a deer that it automatically follows that you would kill a human being in cold blood.

I know a lot of hunters that would not ever even think about killing a human.

So....

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I disagree. Parker pointedly asked George if he was paid anything for his testimony or if he was given a plea deal for his testimony. George said no. This is in direct conflict with the fact that both Jake and Angie recieved some compensation Re: a plea deal for their testimony. This carries weight with a jury. Like a jail house snitch that gets time off his sentence for testifying. They had a motive to lie.

JMO

If George really didn't know anything I believe they would have told their attorneys this.

Their lawyers wouldn't have supported that type of plea deal. That they have to say an innocent man is guilty when he is not. That they have to testify against George and lie and say he participated when he didn't. They could have made the deal to testify against Billy if they thought he was guilty.

They agree to plead guilty and they can't testify against George because he wasn't involved, but could testify against Billy.

Leave George out. Their lawyers would have worked that out with the prosecution. Not realistic to let your clients implicate a person who is not guilty. If George wasn't involved they would have told their attorneys and their attorneys could still have negotiated a plea deal.

Attorneys negotiate these deals and would give the prosecution the facts.

"Sorry, the prosecution says you have to lie about George to get any deal, even though we told them he is not involved. So you better make up a story getting him involved and lie under oath."

 

[NWLady]

JMO MOO

George knew.

He also knew right from wrong.

JMO MOO

Landowners and their resident children are free to hunt on their private property, but they still have to follow hunting laws, and night hunting for deer is illegal. George admitted on the stand he was poaching. Edit: If I recall he volunteered that statement, but he may have been asked.

JMO MOO

George knew.

He also knew right from wrong.

JMO MOO

Landowners and their resident children are free to hunt on their private property, but they still have to follow hunting laws, and night hunting for deer is illegal. George admitted on the stand he was poaching. Edit: If I recall he volunteered that statement, but he may have been asked.

IMO, GW seemed somewhat proud of his life of crime, especially his deer poaching, as there were many times, on direct and cross, where a simple yes or no would have been sufficient but yet he would so willingly add more to the story -TMI - as if he was boasting/bragging and/or just wanting to get his little digs in. And I seemed to notice this more on cross, and more so when he IMO seemed to be getting aggravated/frustrated with the direction the questioning was going in when being cross examined by prosecution especially.

After the 1st day of him taking the stand, when called by defense, is when I was trying to give him some benefit of the doubt. However, then after the prosecution starting their cross and I start seeing his demeanor, reactions, and IMO somewhat boastful answers, it seemed more obvious to me at that time, that he did NOT have much, if any, remorse for his prior life of crime, and the deer poaching, insurance fraud and more, and seemed somewhat proud of the criminal life he lived.

This is all JMO.

 

[altojack]

JMO MOO

George knew.

He also knew right from wrong.

JMO MOO

Edit: Landowners and their resident children are free to hunt on their private property, but they still have to follow hunting laws, and night hunting for deer is illegal. George admitted on the stand he was poaching. Edit: If I recall he volunteered that statement, but he may have been asked.

Is it possible to hunt deer at night by a special licence? Here in UK we have same hunting times as Ohio but, if deer are destroying crops on your fields we can apply for an A16 licence to hunt at night but can only shoot the deer whIle and where they are doing damage.

Just thinking.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

So who interviewed GW4 and do we know if we have audio. Ryan's testimony didn't seem to be specific about GW4s interview, but only his interview with his subject.

That is what he testified to. He interviewed Jake and he turned off the body camera but said there was audio of JAKE'S testimony. He did not say there was audio of George's testimony.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

BCI agent Jennifer Comisford and Agent Rick Ward did Angela's interview but I do not believe the agents who interviewed George or Billy have taken the stand because neither interview (audio) has been introduced (that I can remember).

There SHOULD be audio of all 4 Wagners. WE (sleuths) cannot prove there IS audio for GW because it has not been introduced into evidence (that we know of) but Scheiderer did testify they are required by law to record and he did say they have audio. Whether he was talking about one or all four is not clear.

Clear as mud?

They did have audio. Of George yelling at BW. They played that remember? But nothing was ever introduced in testimony or evidence that they had any audio of the interview with George.

JMO

 

[rsd1200]

I actually like that. It is Apples and Oranges. Apples=Poaching=illegal. Oranges=hunting=Legal. Hunting is done legally in daylight hours within the rules enumerated by the state game commsion. I actually enjoy Hunting and have for many years. Poaching is done illegally, at night, skulking around, avoiding LE (game wardens), avoiding detection, perhaps done with silencers. Skills that would come in handy for say other illegal activities such as Murdering 8 people in the middle of the night.

My point is this, once a criminal starts down a path of doing illegal acts and especially if he does not get caught, where does that criminal draw the line. Each time he gets away with an illegal activity he gets emboldened and continues to commit crimes/felonies. Just based on his own testimony, I think it is fair to say George was involved in numerous Illegal activities including chopping up vehicles that he knew would be reported as stolen, Stealing diesel fuel, Insurance fraud, Poaching, and many others. Part of the reason he got away with it is because he WAS part of a criminal enterprise for many, many years. The criminal enterprise was his immediate family members (Mother, father, brother). Two members of this criminal enterprise have said on the record that he was a part of the plot to kill 8 people in the middle of the night.

I had to go back and watch several of Mike Dewine's press conferences and how it matched with George's testimony. such as how George describing looking for surveillance cameras and Dewine's earliest press conference describing how the killers took steps to avoid detection such as removing survellence cameras. I just find it interesting DeWines press conference the day they all 4 were arrested he states "and all the Lies they told". I believe that also matches with Georges testimony yesterday. He told a lot of lies.

I don't buy it. Poaching deer could mean hunting out of season off your land. I missed the part about the hunting at night, but more hunters than you think, poach. I've found deer with only their racks removed and their dead bodies on MY land which is has no trespassing and no hunting signs all up and down the fencerows. There are a handful of friends who have permission and that's all. Did the poachers go off and kill a family of eight? I highly doubt it, they wanted that rack. Period. I feel about them, the same as the hunters who toss the bodies of legally hunted deer, and stick a rack on the wall. Disgust.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

A real alibi.

A movie ticket.
A store receipt.
A Redbox receipt.
A friend or two to alibi him.

I would believe a solid alibi. He doesn't have one. It's his word against his mother's but also GW's timelines of when Billy was at the Peterson Rd house & time GW went to bed do not align with Jake's timeline or more importantly with CR/GR time of death.

do not align with Jake's timeline
So you think Pastor Jake did not lie at all?

George did not testify to what time Jake went to bed, only the time he, George, went to bed.

JMO