OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #84

[Pru2U]

PSA: Angenette Levy has posted her recap of GW's testimony on her YouTube channel.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

IMO the defense putting George on the stand caught the prosecution flat footed. The way they twittered around like a flock of crows telling the judge not to allow George to talk to his attorneys during break showed how unprepared they really were by the defense move.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Sure not distancing himself from the family crimes.

Are they going to say he didn't obey orders this one time when they were killing people instead of stealing?

Gosh... this defense (whatever it is) sure is confusing.

It's a long way from stealing to killing another human being.

JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Here's why you won't see every witness testify during the Pike County murder trial

Those who have been following the Pike County murder trial of George Wagner IV have probably noticed some witness testimony has not been able to air over live streams or on televised recaps later.

www.wcpo.com

 

[RAISINISBACK]

For some unknown reason Angela never even one time wore street clothes. It had nothing to do with her losing mail and phone privileges. For some reason she just wore jail clothes.

It would destroy her martyr image.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I listened on my cell phone.

See the trick the defense team pulled here? They knew secretly they were going to put GW4 on the stand to testify. In preparation, they pulled all of that delaying BS over the evidence so that the prosecution was exhausted from working long hours. They have short notice to put together cross-examination with little sleep and lots of exhaustion.

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Is there anything illegal about that?

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

What if there is no hard solid evidence that he did not participate?

What if there is no hard solid proof that he did participate? There hasn't been any so far. So maybe we should listen to his side of the story with an open mind.

Many sure listened to Jake and Angie's, two confessed killers, side of the story with an open mind, so why not afford George the same courtesy?

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Throwing Tabitha under the bus by claiming she burned her son on purpose. You're so original, GW4. We've already heard these lies on the wiretap tapes.

That was in Tabbi's testimony also. That and BW falling off a bench.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Interestring the prosectuion is just allowing George to make all kinds of hearsay statements and he knows a lot about things that he claims he wasn't there for, but heard about. I guess they can come back and get him so why not just let him ramble on.

Wonder how many hearsay statement they allowed jake and Angie to make? Oh that's right. Jake and Angie didn't have the guts to opt in.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I would love to know Tabatha's version. I know when I was growing up it was the attitude that sometimes kids learn the hard way. Not saying she could have intentionally burned her son, but I know we can tell kids something is hot and tell them, but when they touch the something hot, they learned quick that they don't touch that. Same with many things in life. We try to keep kids safe and correct them, but sometimes they have to just learn the hard way. Not saying she did what he said, but hearing it second hand I wonder how much of that was Angela saying she did this and it wasn't really like that?

I would love to know Tabatha's version

It is in Tabbi's testimony. She said the incident occurred.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Anyone notice who he didn't badmouth in his testimony? His fond memories were times spent with Frankie or Hannah.

I noticed that. Means he didn't have any bitterness or anger at them.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I found that to be the saddest and most stomach churning of all so far. How did he let this happen?

That is what stood out to me in his testimony. Liars usually spin big excuses and plans.

When Parker asked him if he had known what his family was planning what would he have did. "George said "I don't know, but somehow I would have stopped it from happening."

I found this very believable because he didn't really try to outline some plan to stop it, just said I don't know how but somehow i would have stopped it.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I found that to be the saddest and most stomach churning of all so far. How did he let this happen?

Who says he knew it was going to? He said he didn't know what they were planning.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

And now he says he was a spy for BCI?

There is a BCI agent who interviewed him at the MT border on the list of people the defense supeoneaed so maybe this will be backed up by that agent.

JMO

 

[Niner]

Thursday, November 17th:
*Trial continues (Day 44) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 31) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table only for Jake if his testimony is truthful. But George still faces the DP as he did not take a deal.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury was seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man). 9/30/22: Ill juror replaced with alternate. 12 jurors & 5 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 5 alternates (4 women & 1 man). A few are in their late 20s or 30s, but most are in their 40s or 50s.
Trial began with opening statements on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 8 to 9 weeks (56-63 days). State rested their case on 11/10/22.
Added note: Regarding shoe sizes: Jake wore the size 10.5 & George the 11.
Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-42 (9/12 to 11/15/22) no court on 10/27, 11/4 & 11/11 & 11/14/22 reference post #54 here:
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11/16/22 Wednesday, Trial Day 43: Judge & attorneys went thru evidence to be allowed.
For more info see post #56 & 90 (page 4) here:
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Defense witness: George Washington Wagner IV, defendant.
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Done with testimony for the day. Jury going home. But two sides will continue entering & arguing prosecution evidence/exhibits here for a while this evenings.
Trial continues on Thursday, 11/17/22.

 

[Niner]

Anyone know off hand WHEN the defense started their case? I know it was before the State rested.

TIA -

 

[NWLady]

I'm probably going to get rotten tomatoes thrown at me for this, but I'm going to say it anyway because it is my opinion of how I feel after just now finishing listening to GW's testimony right now. I'm questioning at this point, is GW really guilty? Was GW really there when the murders took place?

After hearing it said by AC (I think after AW's proffer), that AW was not there and did NOT participate in the murders, I had a very hard time believing that, and I still have a very hard time believing that. But even more so now at this point, mainly because of 2 reasons. #1 being, throughout GW's trial, we have learned IMO a LOT more about AW, from several peoples testimonies. And with that, I see more so now than ever, how controlling she was. Which now, makes me believe even more that she WAS there when the murders took place! #2 is, Which then, after listening to GW today, makes me think even harder about the possibility that GW was NOT there, but instead AW was but in order for her to get her, IMO, sweet deal, she had to throw GW under the bus because her and GW's roles were actually reversed the night of the murders. But 1 thing that I really question is, then why did GW allegedly sign the custody documents prior to the murders giving AW custody if something happened to him? Has it been testified to that that was truly GW's signature - I can't remember?

BUT, with all that said above, I am not going to say one way or another in regards to if GW is guilty or not until I have at least seen how he reacts/responds, his demeanor, etc. when being cross examined by the State, which I am hoping is done by Andrew!

So, in the meantime, I will continue to think things over some more, wait for the prosecution's cross examine and my opinion is still subject to change.

This is all JMO, my thoughts/ideas, etc. Thanks for hearing me out.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I'm probably going to get rotten tomatoes thrown at me for this, but I'm going to say it anyway because it is my opinion of how I feel after just now finishing listening to GW's testimony right now. I'm questioning at this point, is GW really guilty? Was GW really there when the murders took place?

After hearing it said by AC (I think after AW's proffer), that AW was not there and did NOT participate in the murders, I had a very hard time believing that, and I still have a very hard time believing that. But even more so now at this point, mainly because of 2 reasons. #1 being, throughout GW's trial, we have learned IMO a LOT more about AW, from several peoples testimonies. And with that, I see more so now than ever, how controlling she was. Which now, makes me believe even more that she WAS there when the murders took place! #2 is, Which then, after listening to GW today, makes me think even harder about the possibility that GW was NOT there, but instead AW was but in order for her to get her, IMO, sweet deal, she had to throw GW under the bus because her and GW's roles were actually reversed the night of the murders. But 1 thing that I really question is, then why did GW allegedly sign the custody documents prior to the murders giving AW custody if something happened to him? Has it been testified to that that was truly GW's signature - I can't remember?

BUT, with all that said above, I am not going to say one way or another in regards to if GW is guilty or not until I have at least seen how he reacts/responds, his demeanor, etc. when being cross examined by the State, which I am hoping is done by Andrew!

So, in the meantime, I will continue to think things over some more, wait for the prosecution's cross examine and my opinion is still subject to change.

This is all JMO, my thoughts/ideas, etc. Thanks for hearing me out.

I'm probably going to get rotten tomatoes thrown at me for this
Don't worry, they are throwing them all at me right now.

I have believed all along that Angie was there. There is no way she was not.

I too would like to see those custody documents but apparently no one has posted any photos of them on twitter as evidence. It was testified that Angie and Rita were brought in for handwriting samples for analysis but why wasn't George? Why didn't they try to determine if that was really his signature on the document.

One thing that makes me think it might not be, is his statement that Angie tried to get him to sign over custody of BW to her and he outright refused.

That she kept up the payments on his life insurance and hounded him to sign custody of BW over to her makes me think more than ever that Angie marked George for death in another of her "accidents" that she could get a good insurance payout on and keep his child.

It would be interesting to see if those dates written on the three documents were all written in the same handwriting. And if BCI did anything to determine if it was really George's signature.

JMO

 

[rsd1200]

I'm assuming the prosecution can call in witnesses again to refute this testimony. They should do that.

Maybe at lunch break, they should bring Tabitha in to sit in the audience.

ETA: Did Billy really have $50,000 to put down on the MO house? Who gave him that money? Freddie? Even though she knew they were under "laser focus" for murdering 8 people.

Thus far, three of the W44 have admitted to being a family of criminals and making their money that way. Arson, theft, trips to Mexico, going down the Pillbilly Highway. I'm guessing that he did. He'd not be the only one to have a significant amount of cash to put toward a home. I get the feeling neither family was very trusting of banks.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Wow. I always saw psychopaths and sociopaths as similar, basically the same thing. Very interesting. I wonder if one or more of the Wagner's are a psychopath or a sociopath?

Believe me, they have something psychologically wrong going on. Wish a psychiatrist would give an opinion.

If anyone out there runs across a behavioral expert giving their opinions on the Wagners, please post ASAP!

I’m not a behavioural expert but from the way the describe Jake: not liking things dirty, obsessing on certain things, not liking hugs or being touched, making lists of things to collect, arranging things certain ways abd getting angry if it’s messed up, practicing something until he’s perfect at it, remaining “calm” during drama.. sounds like he’s on the spectrum.