OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #84

[Puzzles8]

Just a question. He admitted to numerous other crimes he has not yet been charged with on the witness stand. If the statute of limitations did not run out on the other crimes can they charge him with them based on only on his testimony under oath.

among those admitted under oath

Insurance fraud with wrecking the truck
running a chop chop business with his grandfather carter
poaching deer

but I know there is more.

I found that interesting too. AC made a point of telling him he committed a Federal Felony in giving a false address in the gun purchase. The sentence for that is 10 years in prison.

Even if he is not found guilty of murder, today G4 admitted (under oath) to several other crimes he committed.
Those other crimes will be a slam dunk if taken to court. They have his confession on tape.

IMO, let George keep talking......

JMO

 

[Skully67]

So what did the Defense help with asking if Bethel Hill road was a dead end? That and the many other questions that had zero to do with him being innocent?
MOO

I thought it was peterson.

 

[Skully67]

I found that interesting too. AC made a point of telling him he committed a Federal Felony in giving a false address in the gun purchase. The sentence for that is 10 years in prison.

Even if he is not found guilty of murder, today G4 admitted (under oath) to several other crimes he committed.
Those other crimes will be a slam dunk if taken to court. They have his confession on tape.

IMO, let George keep talking......

JMO

Yeah, he may walk on the murders, but maybe not this.

 

[Dudly]

I thought it was peterson.

You may be right.

 

[justtrish]

I think George is lying but the important question is:
Are there jurors who believed George's testimony?
Are there jurors who can't decide if George is lying?

I think they saw right through him.

The little smirk, looking down when answering, not recalling when he knew there was a lie, playing the good guy while slamming everyone else about their wrongs, but he said Jake was the rude one telling people what he thought. He sure had so many judgements about everyone else also except himself.. he just had excuses for himself and a lot of I might have said that or I'm not saying I didn't, I just don't recall.

 

[Myland]

Jmo I haven’t watched all of Capena with George but far Capena isn’t getting anywhere.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I actually think NOT playing the BCI interview was smart. Now she can ask him about all the lies, without him having heard it and coming up with some story about why and you know what else.. he couldn't get his story straight before he testified. Now it makes perfect sense why they didn't want it played and it has nothing to do with BCI thinking he was the innocent one and trying to get him to rat out his family or be accused himself. He doesn't recall an awful lot about what he said.. then he admits to the one lie he knows he told at the border interview. Good grief.

If the BCI interview tape existed then the defense would have it as part of the discovery.

I don't think the MT interview of George was taped. BCI Ryan said in testimony at the start that he was given a video camera by MT LE to record with but didn't know how to operate it and accidently turned it off. I think Canepa is going off Ryan's memory.

George asked for a transcript of that interview to refresh his memory and Canepa dodged his request and refused to give him one.

If one existed then defense would have it and George would have already read it. So if no tape or transcript exists how do we know George is lying?

I think we might hear a different story from the second BCI agent in that interview when the defense calls him.
JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I think George is lying but the important question is:
Are there jurors who believed George's testimony?
Are there jurors who can't decide if George is lying?

If you was GW4 would you take a chance with the jury or would you try to take a plea right now, ( it’s All Come Down To A Waiting Game Of Cards Right, Who Has The Best Hand And Who Is Better At A Bluff, The State Or The Defense)????

 

[RAISINISBACK]

George is keeping his cool. I thought Canapa would have been tough on him.

She doesn't have any evidence against him to be tough with. All she can do is try to damage his credibility.

JMO

 

[Skully67]

If the BCI interview tape existed then the defense would have it as part of the discovery.

I don't think the MT interview of George was taped. BCI Ryan said in testimony at the start that he was given a video camera by MT LE to record with but didn't know how to operate it and accidently turned it off. I think Canepa is going off Ryan's memory.

George asked for a transcript of that interview to refresh his memory and Canepa dodged his request and refused to give him one.

If one existed then defense would have it and George would have already read it. So if no tape or transcript exists how do we know George is lying?

I think we might hear a different story from the second BCI agent in that interview when the defense calls him.
JMO

I agree. Where's the tape. Where's the transcript. If I was on the jury, I'd be asking that question.

And, I thought defense rested? I may be wrong about that.

 

[Pru2U]

I think George is lying but the important question is:
Are there jurors who believed George's testimony?
Are there jurors who can't decide if George is lying?

I'm leaving that up to the jurors. I trust them.

I believe he knew and I believe he was there but what I believe doesn't matter. What matters is the families now have some answers, and not only are the two original instigators (Jake & Angela) going to prison for the rest of their lives, they have forever lost all rights to the one thing they wanted most. The child.

I would prefer to see every person involved spend the rest of their lives in prison as well but I have no control over that so every guilty verdict beyond JW & AW is a bonus in my book.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

She doesn't have any evidence against him to be tough with. All she can do is try to damage his credibility.

JMO

What credibility are you talking about, him being a murder!

 

[Puzzles8]

She doesn't have any evidence against him to be tough with. All she can do is try to damage his credibility.

JMO

IMO, she did successfully get him to admit to multiple crimes, some Federal.

He will go to prison either way.

I hope one way or another, he spends his life in prison.

JMO

 

[Myland]

She doesn't have any evidence against him to be tough with. All she can do is try to damage his credibility.

JMO

Jmo but have you notice she hadn’t questioned him on evidence, because they don’t have any.

 

[sunshineray]

Do you think George is lying after hearing him testify for two days?

Canepa certainly could not break him. So maybe what he is saying is the truth.

JMO

Yes he was lying through his clenched teeth, IMO

 

[rsd1200]

Something that really surprised me is BCI asking George to spy on Jake and George agreeing to do that. It crosses my mind that George knew the truck was bugged so he started those screaming matches with Jake thinking if he got him angry enough Jake would let something slip BCI could nail him on.

JMO

I thought about this while listening to the truck tapes.

 

[Puzzles8]

Jmo I haven’t watched all of Capena with George but far Capena isn’t getting anywhere.

Disagree, she got G4 to admit under oath he had committed many other crimes, some of them Federal Crimes.

IMO, G4 will spend the rest of his life in prison, one way or another..

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I think what was most telling though was when she confronted him about the many lies he told and he had no answer, didn't recall, or he might have said that but didn't remember it, and he didn't recall telling someone something, it's possible, but his memory isn't good, etc. Every question that could expose a lie about the murders, he just didn't remember OR his actions were a result of the BCI falsely accusing his family or framing them. He told people not to talk to BCI, of course because BCI was creating an elaborate plot to frame his family.

He recalled the 5 exact trucks, including color that he dissembled and knew would be reported stolen for $$. He remembered weapons he bought and got rid of and admitted he bought sold 1000s and even kept an assortment in his truck at all times just in case he found one that he wanted more than one he had and other very specific things, but just didn't recall being with his brother when he bought a gun used in the murders.

He sure was so paranoid about BCI for a guy that was never once caught for all the crimes he had been committing for YEARS. His dad and mom only caught a couple times for all the crimes they committed, his brother never arrested for any of the crimes he was committing. Yet BCI/LE is some scary agency that is out framing innocent people and just accusing people for no reason.

Have you ever been to a gun show? They are huge. hundreds if not thousands of people there. Very crowded. So maybe Jake drove to the show himself. Jake could have even arrived earlier or after George and Billy left.

There is no way to call him a liar on that unless we have a statement from Jake saying he rode to the show with George and Billy.

Also Jake could have bought the gun at another vendor stall without George seeing him. It was November in Ohio so I assume Jake was wearing a coat he could have hid a pistol in.

Maybe think about these two things?

JMO

 

[Chris_p_bacon]

I found that interesting too. AC made a point of telling him he committed a Federal Felony in giving a false address in the gun purchase. The sentence for that is 10 years in prison.

Even if he is not found guilty of murder, today G4 admitted (under oath) to several other crimes he committed.
Those other crimes will be a slam dunk if taken to court. They have his confession on tape.

IMO, let George keep talking......

JMO

One question I have, once he takes the stand can he stop anytime and plead the 5th.

Or is it once you take the stand and testify in front of the Jury you have to answer questions from the opposing council.

But I agree let him keep talking as long as the prosecution will charge him with these other acts.

 

[Puzzles8]

One question I have, once he takes the stand can he stop anytime and plead the 5th.

Or is it once you take the stand and testify in front of the Jury you have to answer questions from the opposing council.

But I agree let him keep talking as long as the prosecution will charge him with these other acts.

Yes, he could have taken the 5th ANYTIME BEFORE and on any question he chose to speak to. But he chose to speak.

Once he speaks it is all on record.

You can't retroactively take the 5th.

JMO