OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#37

[MittenScarpetta]

BBM
As for cockfighting, there's no proof of that either.

Come on now Betty, Franny said those were fighting chickens. I don't know Franny but she sounds like she knows a lot more about illegal activities than I do. After all she did know they were fighting chickens when her husband (DeWine) did not. LOL

Still makes me laugh. Mostly because I learned the difference between a rooster and cockfighting game fowl from Mrs. Dewine, myself. I was clueless there was difference before this case.

 

[Normrock]

Showing my hand here...
The medical pot does have thc and you do get high. They even sell the leafage in dispensaries now and studies have shown that it doesn't adversely affect the lungs, in fact it helps open airways in tobacco smokers. Now, cbd oils don't usually have the thc in them.

cdb oil from Colorado do. The stuff is good.

 

[Betty P]

BBM
As for cockfighting, there's no proof of that either.

Come on now Betty, Franny said those were fighting chickens. I don't know Franny but she sounds like she knows a lot more about illegal activities than I do. After all she did know they were fighting chickens when her husband (DeWine) did not. LOL

LOL, yeah, Franny. Makes you wonder what circles she's traveling in. Ice cream socials and cockfighting. Girl!

 

[Elley Mae]

It's a learning process, Dudly. I was a teen in the early 1970's. We all smoked it back then and remember the outcome process well. Therefore, when it came back into light after the opioid crisis early on that pot was back in, I wondered HOW peers my age were wanting to deal with all that again (eating everything in sight, laughing, then sleep for 10 hours.) It wasn't till a few years later my brother got into growing/smoking it; NOT medical pot, though. THEN came along medical pot. I then read up to inform myself better. HUGE difference. Medical pot growers won't accept pot with bugs, mold, carcinogens, etc. Additionally, NO THC!!! It's strictly medical, one doesn't get high. Big downside with typical physicians is the "smoking" of a product. We all know it's bad for the lungs. Sure, there are edibles, but I've not gone to far digging on those to not accurately to state anything.

No THC?




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[RAISINISBACK]

I do see some of the problems the prosecution will have IF this goes to trial. Beyond a reasonable doubt. It only takes one. No I do not think weed is bad, but in states its illegal(like mine) getting it means dealing with people I rather not be around. That's why I go to Colorado.

BBM

That's why I go to Colorado.

Well Norm you can make a stop in Oklahoma now. We just got a very liberal medical MJ law that let's us all stay high legally. LOL.

 

[CIA Team Member]

Showing my hand here...
The medical pot does have thc and you do get high. They even sell the leafage in dispensaries now and studies have shown that it doesn't adversely affect the lungs, in fact it helps open airways in tobacco smokers. Now, cbd oils don't usually have the thc in them.

And here I thought I'd been doing at least some research. Ha! I'm a tobacco smoker and cringe at the thought of yet even more. Thanks for the information. Actually, the last time I read up on this was a couple years ago. It's just stuck in my mind that I never wanna feel the way I went through my teen years again!

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I keep getting more amazed at what little I know about growing pot and about how much everyone else knows...

Me too.

 

[almond]

Here is screen shot of him saying it twice with CC on.

I'm listening to the entire presser right now. Thanks!

 

[Betty P]

Here is screen shot of him saying it twice with CC on.

Thanks for posting that. I heard it, too. RSD posted the full quote a couple pages back. We should bookmark it, because, with the gag order, we're back to having precious little info to work with.

Personally, I also think drugs were in the undercurrent of this whole situation. It's possible the W's and others were involved in trafficking hard drugs. CR1 was only growing MJ, or DeWine would have said something.

JMO, in the escalating custody battle, CR1 threatened to expose the Wags drug connections/activities, thus the need to take down CR1, GR, KR and any other Rhoden family members who might talk later. DeWine didn't want to bring the drug charges into the murder prosecutions because:

• it would just complicate matters
• it might reveal unflattering things about powerful people in the area

But, yeah, another reason to sweep it under the rug. Remember, Leonard said that police had been covering up this stuff for years. Now we know he was referring to the Wags, but possibly someone else.

Remember my earlier link about one of the defense attorneys who was busted for smoking pot in 2012 and got off with some maneuvering by a crooked judge down in Portsmouth.

Judge alters routine to toss out drug case, seal record

"Portsmouth Municipal Court Judge Russell D. Kegley came in early on July 11, despite being on vacation, to handle a drug-abuse case against lawyer Richard M. Nash Jr. Moving the arraignment from its scheduled time of 9 a.m. to 8:31 a.m., Kegley dismissed the charge - without a prosecutor present - at an hour the court typically does not conduct hearings, a Dispatch investigation found. Kegley also quickly granted Nash’s motion to seal the records in the case alleging that he smoked marijuana, making the case vanish both online and from the court’s files."

Richard M Nash is George Wagner IV's defense attorney. They one who aregued for bail. JMO, you can't throw a rock in that region without hitting someone who isn't involved in the drug biz.

DeWine mentions the "undercurrent" but he also says there won't be any more arrests. JMO, they want these prosecutions to be focused on a custody battle and bury the rest. What's in the "undercurrent" will stay in the "undercurrent", at least until after 2020 or 2022. DeWine and Fran should be in the nursing home by then.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I didn’t realize someone from the defense was on here posting. Jmo

Oh yes. FYI a few years ago a perp was supposedly reading and posting here. They can go anywhere we do so just be aware. I get the feeling there are Waggie friends here and in other social media trying to spread seeds of doubt. I just ignore them. I enjoy this interaction if theory’s and ideas to much to get baited into nonsensical conflict.

 

[Normrock]

Betty you and i both know


BBM

That's why I go to Colorado.

Well Norm you can make a stop in Oklahoma now. We just got a very liberal medical MJ law that let's us all stay high legally. LOL.

Scared of OK. Ex wife from there. Also, my luck would get pulled over between Red River and Gainesville. Been pulled over a few times there after leaving that big ole casino a mile down road.

 

[almond]

cdb oil from Colorado do. The stuff is good.

Norm, the word drugs...I think, imo, they were speaking of marijuana since no other drugs were mentioned by name. Know what I mean?

 

[almond]

Scared of OK. Ex wife from there. Also, my luck would get pulled over between Red River and Gainesville. Been pulled over a few times there after leaving that big ole casino a mile down road.[/QUOTE
Edited by me. Stay safe!

 

[Normrock]

Norm, the word drugs...I think, imo, they were speaking of marijuana since no other drugs were mentioned by name. Know what I mean?

Yes I do but to keep repeating it was strange. Why?

 

[almond]

Yes I do but to keep repeating it was strange. Why?

Because the reporter brought it up?

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Usenet lol alt 2600 area was my hangout. Remember it was free from your provider. Innovative at time. Speaking of innovative DeWine said they used new innovative techniques to help solve this crime. Electronic or forensic?

Anything and everything available.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Here is screen shot of him saying it twice with CC on.

You are correct. What Dewine doesn’t say is what and who the undercurrent of drugs pertains to and what kind of drugs. Is he referencing the MJ grows? I personally don’t think so because when Reader said he’s hoped we’d all had forgotten about the MJ by now and focused on the murders (paraphrasing but I will find his exact words later). So, with Reader indirectly saying the MJ isn’t a factor and Dewine repeatedly expressing these people were victims murdered in cold blood, how do we assume the R’s were involved in the “undercurrent of drugs” statement by Dewine? How do we know Dewine wasn’t referencing the Wagner’s and only the Wagner’s being involved in an undercurrent of drugs? Could that be part of the motive, the R’s knowing or discovering the W’s were involved in the drug world and the R’s would use that as evidence to retain custody of S? I’d suggest some deep research in regards to AW’s now deceased father. IMO, that sounds like his area of expertise that Dewine was referencing. JMO and of course, once again only theory.

 

[Betty P]

Oh yes. FYI a few years ago a perp was supposedly reading and posting here. They can go anywhere we do so just be aware. I get the feeling there are Waggie friends here and in other social media trying to spread seeds of doubt. I just ignore them. I enjoy this interaction if theory’s and ideas to much to get baited into nonsensical conflict.

I've followed several cases here where those suspected of working for the defense posted in the thread. In one case (Rebecca Zahau's murder) the defense used, word for word, in trial, the same arguments they had used here at WS. Those folks were good, very good. They had 2 or 3 people posting over a period of about 5 or 6 years. We got to know one of them very well, someone who posted under several different names. The same people are now ghost writing news and magazine articles and tv interviews on the case. Once you've read someone's posts a dozen times a week for 6 yrs or more, you get to recognize them.

There's no law against it. Assume defense attorneys use the practice to gauge how well certain arguments work and influence public opinion via social media.

 

[Betty P]

You are correct. What Dewine doesn’t say is what and who the undercurrent of drugs pertains to and what kind of drugs. Is he referencing the MJ grows? I personally don’t think so because when Reader said he’s hoped we’d all had forgotten about the MJ by now and focused on the murders (paraphrasing but I will find his exact words later). So, with Reader indirectly saying the MJ isn’t a factor and Dewine repeatedly expressing these people were victims murdered in cold blood, how do we assume the R’s were involved in the “undercurrent of drugs” statement by Dewine? How do we know Dewine wasn’t referencing the Wagner’s and only the Wagner’s being involved in an undercurrent of drugs? Could that be part of the motive, the R’s knowing or discovering the W’s were involved in the drug world and the R’s would use that as evidence to retain custody of S? I’d suggest some deep research in regress to AW’s now deceased father. IMO, that sounds like his area of expertise that Dewine was referencing. JMO and of course, once again only theory.

Good post!

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I've followed several cases here where those suspected of working for the defense posted in the thread. In one case (Rebecca Zahau's murder) the defense used, word for word, in trial, the same arguments they had used here at WS. Those folks were good, very good. They had 2 or 3 people posting over a period of about 5 or 6 years. We got to know one of them very well, someone who posted under several different names. The same people are now ghost writing news and magazine articles and tv interviews on the case. Once you've read someone's posts a dozen times a week for 6 yrs or more, you get to recognize them.

There's no law against it. Assume defense attorneys use the practice to gauge how well certain arguments work and influence public opinion via social media.

I have to agree. JMO, but I have personally seen significant decline , if not a complete hault, of certain posters commentary regarding this case since the arrests. Not just here. It’s interesting, to say the least.