OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#38

[Satchie]

Me too. I just came into this case and I am so baffled with all the initials!

Currently, the conversation is about the 4 major accused George Billy Wagner III - GW3 or G3, Angela - AW, young George IV- GW4 or G4, and Jake-JW.

There's also the grannies out on bail Frederica-FW, and Rita-RN.

Other close family, children of FW are RAW, and RW. They're not involved in the case at this point, or referred to in the media, so for their privacy I think it's best to use initials.

Then there's the victims, HR was the mother of the contested child. If other victims names come up, best to google and match initials to names.

Sometimes people are using the initials of the contested child, but I think even that should be avoided. Possibly her name will be changed, anyway.

 

[Trudie]

Hi I’m very new to WS so please bear with me because I’m not as well versed in this crime as you all are. I found out about this crime from a singer/social media personality. He posted that within days before the killings he had met the Rhodens at a show and they spent time talking with him about one of his songs that is about smoking pot. They told him about their pot grow and invited him back to smoke weed woth them. He was unable to. So I’m wondering if any of you have heard this story and it’s just a little more evidence of a pot grow. His name is Upchurch

After reading this again, I’m a bit skeptical. If I’m comprehending correctly, a Rhoden, upon meeting a total stranger, revealed his weed op’. Very abnormal behavior for anyone involved with drugs or any illegalities.

Satchie, thanks for a wonderful summation on the usage of initials.

 

[Jonas_Klein]

Wish we had some new facts to discuss.

I wish we had too. Although understanding the relationship of the defendants with their family is very relevant because this a crime committed in family (4) against another family.

It's a good discussion

 

[Trudie]

I wish we had too. Although understanding the relationship of the defendants with their family is very relevant because this a crime committed in family against another family.

It's a good discussion

True, but nothing is “factual”.
Iirc, JW has a pretrial hearing very soon. Although I don’t expect any new info prior to trial, we will at least get to see him.

 

[Jonas_Klein]

True, but nothing is “factual”.
Iirc, JW has a pretrial hearing very soon. Although I don’t expect any new info prior to trial, we will at least get to see him.

When GW3 was arrested, he was with his sister in the trailer of the family farm. Somehow he is still in good terms with at least part of his family. It means something. Idk what...

 

[Trudie]

When GW3 was arrested, he was with his sister in the trailer of the family farm. Somehow he is still in good terms with at least part of his family. It means something. Idk what...

To me it meant she needed help with the horse she had to haul to KY.
I think any family member in these kind of situations go thru 1) denial, 2) supportiveness (I/we still love you), 3) acceptance & 4) anger.
I think the anger comes only after convictions & the family is forced to struggle with “why”. Of course, it’s not an easy feat for family members of the convicted to move forward. They, too, are victims. In these notorious cases they receive their share of hate mail, death threats, shunning, financial woes and so much more. Ultimately, at FWs age, this is not good for her. Like or dislike her, this will have a negative impact. If G3 is guilty, he certainly had no respect for his mom.

 

[Jonas_Klein]

The more I think about it, the least I understand what AW was doing with him.

Like we would say in a foreign language: "each towel has its cloth". Something like to each his own

 

[Jonas_Klein]

She hasn't made him a better man. Perhaps, he is unmanageable

 

[rsd1200]

Well. I can respond by saying I do not and never would volunteer to man the booth for them or attend the same house of worship.

Two articles and there are plenty more.

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I didn't say you would. If the militia were at all of those festivals that all of the townsfolk attended, and from your response, it seemed you saw them there, then anyone could have mixed with militia. I can mix with the Masons at our town festival but it doesn't make me a Mason.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I echo the opinion that we should use first names for the adults. There are simply too many players in this case to keep all the initials straight.

 

[Trudie]

The more I think about it, the least I understand what AW was doing with him.

Like we would say in a foreign language: "each towel has its cloth". Something like to each his own

Relationships are funny! To be honest, I've wondered too.
IMO, they’ve led an unstable marital life, never really settled, kind of transient. But she might think my life boring. Sometimes a partner will “stick it out” when money’s involved. Or, for kids. Or, for murder???
IMO, if the allegations are true, she, more than anyone, could have prevented the murders. It sickens me that she is apparently as involved as the male figures. Idk why, I guess because she’s the mom of adult boys that still look to her for guidance.

 

[Puzzles8]

delete

 

[Satchie]

When GW3 was arrested, he was with his sister in the trailer of the family farm. Somehow he is still in good terms with at least part of his family. It means stomething. Idk

Yes, family closeness and loyalty is a constant theme in this case. I guess that's a strong element of the culture.

Where I live, many people moved here to get away from family, and it continues in subsequent generations. Very often the pattern is to live separate lives and keep the phone calls and visits brief and infrequent.

 

[Scakes]

After reading this again, I’m a bit skeptical. If I’m comprehending correctly, a Rhoden, upon meeting a total stranger, revealed his weed op’. Very abnormal behavior for anyone involved with drugs or any illegalities.

Satchie, thanks for a wonderful summation on the usage of initials.

The guy had pictures of him and FR and one of the other adult male Rhoden family members posted on his Facebook. The only thing that was off was his timing. He said he was supposed to have gone with them the night they were murdered but others on the page disputed that pics were within a few days. It does seem odd to me but I could see it if maybe they were trying to impress him since he’s famous. I’m not familiar enough with the case to even make a speculation which is why I ended up here and figured someone would know if they were the type to brag or if there was a known grow but no one spoke on it

 

[Scakes]

After reading this again, I’m a bit skeptical. If I’m comprehending correctly, a Rhoden, upon meeting a total stranger, revealed his weed op’. Very abnormal behavior for anyone involved with drugs or any illegalities.

Satchie, thanks for a wonderful summation on the usage of initials.

Nope never mind I went back and re read his post. They invited him to come to their farm and ride 4 wheelers and smoke weed not talk about their grow. I hadn’t even heard of this murder until I saw his post and was seeing something that wasn’t there. Makes more sense. Sorry about that

 

[Satchie]

I echo the opinion that we should use first names for the adults. There are simply too many players in this case to keep all the initials straight.

Unfortunately, there's some people with the same first names, both among the victims and the accused. Also, typing the names can be a lot slower than initials. Fredericka is too many characters, IMO.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Unfortunately, there's some people with the same first names, both among the victims and the accused. Also, typing the names can be a lot slower than initials. Fredericka is too many characters.

But unfortunately we also do not have everyone using the same initials as everyone else and people are also inadvertently transposing the letters in the initials.

Anyway, many posts are not correct as the initials have been inaccurate. It gets confusing.

 

[rsd1200]

I get the impression you have acquaintances that know RAW.

No, I don't. I see GW3 and possibly GW4, who was said to be most on board with revenge on LE, as possibly having ASPD or fitting in that area somewhere. If so, then RW and RAW, have watched the toll on the family over the years. The money that their parents may have shelled out to help them get started, pay court fees, restitution, pay people before it got to court, give them free rent on the farm for help that didn't happen, the embarrassment of their brother/son stealing, and at this point, now, eight people murdered in their sleep... I think his family's lack of attendance, is very telling. They were tired of his crap, and then this? Even if they didn't do it, they are elbows deep in, with whoever did do it, and he's done with them. RW probably still loves her brother, and he may not yet know yet, that she was the CI (if she is). She may still be holding out hope that it's all wrong, if she's not the CI.

 

[Satchie]

But unfortunately we also do not have everyone using the same initials as everyone else and people are also inadvertently transposing the letters in the initials.

Anyway, many posts are not correct as the initials have been inaccurate. It gets confusing.

Yeah, that's why I got kind if bossy and posted above to limit variations.

 

[rsd1200]

Hi I’m very new to WS so please bear with me because I’m not as well versed in this crime as you all are. I found out about this crime from a singer/social media personality. He posted that within days before the killings he had met the Rhodens at a show and they spent time talking with him about one of his songs that is about smoking pot. They told him about their pot grow and invited him back to smoke weed woth them. He was unable to. So I’m wondering if any of you have heard this story and it’s just a little more evidence of a pot grow. His name is Upchurch

I don't remember the weed story, but I remember Upchurch posted about the Rhoden/Gilley murders, and that he had met some of them at his show, just several days, couple weeks, prior to the murders. I'll see if I can locate the link.