OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#38

[MittenScarpetta]

Initials list:

Victims:
CR1/CRSR-Christopher Rhoden Sr
DR- Dana Rhoden
FR- (Clarence)Frankie Rhoden-father of B & R
HMR-Hanna May Rhoden-mother of S & K
CR2/CRJR- Christopher Rhoden Jr.
HHG-Hannah Hazel Gilley-fiancée to FR, mother of R
GR-Gary Rhoden
KR-Kenny Rhoden, father to KR2

Defendants:
GW3/G3 also referred to as BW- George “Billy” Wagner III -husband to AW, father to GW4 & JW, grandfather to S

AW- Angela Wagner, wife to GW3, mother to GW4 & JW, grandmother to S

GW4 - George Wagner IV aka young George, son of GW3 & AW, sibling of JW, has a minor child with first initial B

JW- (Edward) Jake Wagner-son of GW3 & AW, sibling of GW4, ex to HMR and father of her minor child S

FW-Fredericka Wagner, mother to GW3, grandmother to GW4 & JW, deceased spouse is GWjr

RN- Rita Newcomb, mother to AW, grandmother to GW4 & JW

RAW- GW3 & RW’s brother, FW’s son
RW- GW3 & RAW’s sister, FW’s daughter. She has been present at all W arraignments and was with GW3 when he was arrested.

Other Initials:
CG- father of K, HMR’s newborn, also HHG’s brother
MG-sister to CG & HHG
CH-HMR’s current boyfriend at the time of the murders
KR2- KR’s daughter
DS-Donald Stone - found KR
BJM- Bobby Jo Manley-Dana’s sister who found CR1, GR, FR, HHG
JM- James Manley - Dana’s brother who found DR
LM- DR, BJM, & JM’s father
CRob-FR’s ex & mother to his oldest son B

All of the above initials have been named in the media over the last 2 1/2 years (besides RAW & RW). There are other initials I won’t list for now, but if they pop up, we can clarify who they are.

 

[Dudly]

People have stated they do not understand why AW stayed with GWIII. An elderly mother in law worth millions could make it bearable.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

This is going to sound wrong but I’m curious about JW & G4. Are they of normal intelligence? Anyone know?

Also, the 4, did they have any friends, besides the other 3?

BBM

According to Angela yes, but they killed them all.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Hi I’m very new to WS so please bear with me because I’m not as well versed in this crime as you all are. I found out about this crime from a singer/social media personality. He posted that within days before the killings he had met the Rhodens at a show and they spent time talking with him about one of his songs that is about smoking pot. They told him about their pot grow and invited him back to smoke weed woth them. He was unable to. So I’m wondering if any of you have heard this story and it’s just a little more evidence of a pot grow. His name is Upchurch

Upchurch (musician) - Wikipedia

So he is a singer and loves cars. Where did they meet him, a derby?

 

[KentuckyMama]

Upchurch (musician) - Wikipedia

So he is a singer and loves cars. Where did they meet him, a derby?[/QUOTperantly

Apparently HR and her boyfriend went to his concert, I think on March 5th. He has, since the arrests, made a post claiming it was the day of or day before the murders and that they invited him to come to their home to ride four wheelers and smoke pot. Implying he could have been there the night of the murders but his manager saved him by suggesting he not go. The comment section under that Facebook post have lots of friends and family of the Rhodens contesting this and calling him out on it. As far as I can see, he didn't respond further after the original post.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Unless the mods post the proper initials to be used at the beginning of each thread, unfortunately, the confusion will continue.

How about this?

Fred
Bobby
Robin
Billy
Angie
George
Jake

Kenny
Gary
Chris
Dana
Frankie
Hazel
Hanna
Junior

Lenny
BobbyJ
James
April

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Upchurch (musician) - Wikipedia

So he is a singer and loves cars. Where did they meet him, a derby?

HMR & CH went to his concert on March 5, 2016.
Upchurch

His recent sm post was inaccurate saying they were at his concert the night of the murders.

Here’s the recent incorrect post of his:

Upchurch

The post he made after the murders shows they were at his March 5th, 2016 concert. I don’t have time to search it but it is on Upchurch’s fb. Here’s the photo HMR posted on 3/27/16 with Upchurch on the right.

Hanna May Rhoden

 

[Trudie]

But unfortunately we also do not have everyone using the same initials as everyone else and people are also inadvertently transposing the letters in the initials.

Anyway, many posts are not correct as the initials have been inaccurate. It gets confusing.

I was in a group discussion two years ago & we used names, so I constantly find myself making mistakes. Trying to retrain my brain.

 

[Trudie]

No, I don't. I see GW3 and possibly GW4, who was said to be most on board with revenge on LE, as possibly having ASPD or fitting in that area somewhere. If so, then RW and RAW, have watched the toll on the family over the years. The money that their parents may have shelled out to help them get started, pay court fees, restitution, pay people before it got to court, give them free rent on the farm for help that didn't happen, the embarrassment of their brother/son stealing, and at this point, now, eight people murdered in their sleep... I think his family's lack of attendance, is very telling. They were tired of his crap, and then this? Even if they didn't do it, they are elbows deep in, with whoever did do it, and he's done with them. RW probably still loves her brother, and he may not yet know yet, that she was the CI (if she is). She may still be holding out hope that it's all wrong, if she's not the CI.

rsd~I so agree with this post. And as far as the CI, I’m torn between RW/RAW. I’m probably wrong. For now tho, my mind can’t wrap around the 4 discussing 8 murders in front of anyone, other than family. In fact, I’ve entertained thoughts along the line of them talking about their dirty deeds in a barn, then realizing there was a tenant or a laborer within earshot, that person prob’ would’ve gone missing. As in forever.

If, just IF, the CI is RAW, I can see where not only morally he would report to LE but also, with his mom elderly, his dad deceased, there could possibly be concerns his mom might liquidate, hire lawyers and lose everything. As far as RW (or anyone), it’s best to continue on “normally”, (if RW is CI), not giving any indication something is amiss.

Idk, pure speculation on my part, but a couple of the 4 appear to me as tho they might have “temper” issues.
So, tiptoe on the ole eggshells or get the heck away.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

HMR & CH went to his concert on March 5, 2016.
Upchurch

His recent sm post was inaccurate saying they were at his concert the night of the murders.

Here’s the recent incorrect post of his:

Upchurch

The post he made after the murders shows they were at his March 5th, 2016 concert. I don’t have time to search it but it is on Upchurch’s fb. Here’s the photo HMR posted on 3/27/16 with Upchurch on the right.

Hanna May Rhoden

BBM

The post he made after the murders shows they were at his March 5th, 2016 concert. I don’t have time to search it but it is on Upchurch’s fb. Here’s the photo HMR posted on 3/27/16 with Upchurch on the right.

Hanna May Rhoden

Ok there is no way this picture of Hanna was taken March 5, 2016. She was pregnant with little KR at that time. That would have been a little over a month before she gave birth. In this picture she has a flat stomach. In the pictures of her at the baby shower less than a month later her stomach is huge. No way she grew that much in a month. She posted it on March 27, 2016 but there is no way it was taken on March 5 2016.

JMO

 

[Trudie]

The more it goes on, I'm seeing that person as G3. It's possible he's been behind all of the things they were caught doing, and all of the things that we don't know about, because they pulled them off.

Ditto. I think he’s had his “way” most of his life. Well into adulthood his mom likely “helped” him. After the kids were born, she was compelled to continue, always hopin he might change.
Assisting someone or paying their way out of stealing some farm implements is quite different than paying them out of 8 murders.

 

[Trudie]

People have stated they do not understand why AW stayed with GWIII. An elderly mother in law worth millions could make it bearable.

Bingo!
And in the end, prob’ would have gotten nothing but some acreage.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

BBM

The post he made after the murders shows they were at his March 5th, 2016 concert. I don’t have time to search it but it is on Upchurch’s fb. Here’s the photo HMR posted on 3/27/16 with Upchurch on the right.

Hanna May Rhoden

Ok there is no way this picture of Hanna was taken March 5, 2016. She was pregnant with little KR at that time. That would have been a little over a month before she gave birth. In this picture she has a flat stomach. In the pictures of her at the baby shower less than a month later her stomach is huge. No way she grew that much in a month. She posted it on March 27, 2016 but there is no way it was taken on March 5 2016.

JMO

She’s got her body turned slightly and you can see a bump. Her stomach doesn’t appear flat, at least to me. JMO. Upchurch’s concert was March 5, 2016 at Alrosa in Columbus.

This photo on 4/4/16 she doesn’t appear to be as pregnant as she was in the baby shower photos, 5 days later. Angles and clothing make a huge difference, IMO.

Hanna May Rhoden

Here is Upchurch’s original post on 4/23/16.

Upchurch

 

[Trudie]

I agree, if it's based on looks alone. He sure looks mean.

I guess one reason I consider it's possibly AW, is the issue that motivated this was custody, typically much more important to a grandmother than a grandfather.

I’ve considered JW possibly started tossing comments around “I’m gonna kill HR”, “ gonna have to kill her to get my kid”, eventually AW thought he might actually do something & mess up, so the Family Plan was hatched. IMO, she is the brain of the 4.

 

[Trudie]

IMo they all look a bit evil. And I mean those charged.

And I am very concerned that based on the
Comments that FW used the law to rip people off repoing property and reselling it is the moral thing to do.

In my job I’ve seen the wealthy push the law until bursting at the seams. Advantageous to have $$ yes. But is it the right, moral and LIVING AS CLOSE TO THE CROSS THINGTO DO? No just another way to kill the poor people and their dreams.

It might be reflective of deeper darker things we just don’t know. I’m sure that might be a mitigating factor in GW3 s sentencing. But AW knew it when shemarried him. She came from poverty. Poobably thought she was marrying up money.

Again if I post it’s my opinion.

I see FW as an astute biz woman. Land contracts are similar to a lease/rental agreement. You pay or you vacate. FW or anyone selling on a land contract are still responsible for taxes. IMO, she afforded buyers an opportunity banks would not. They are credit risks or they would go with conventional mortgages. And, anyone buying from her did so on their own accord. I’m guessing most that ended up breaching the contract are transient, non working, substance abusers.
I’ve also seen many good people go under financially by purchasing rental property, ending up with non paying tenants, leaving the landlord with no income to make the payment.

 

[Trudie]

BBM

According to Angela yes, but they killed them all.

Lol, I meant after the fact. I suppose not. I’m sure AW was on pins & needles when the boys were out of her line of vision.

 

[Dudly]

Growing up on a farm a half stones throw from Flint, Mi, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols first began their grand scheme in OK CITY 20-30 miles from where I grew up. I remember the meetings. I recall the secrecy of the mostly men growing up. And the training camps. My family never was involved though

If there was such secrecy, and your family was not involved, how do you "remember the meetings" and "recall the secrecy of the mostly men" and "the training camps"?

 

[Dudly]

I see FW as an astute biz woman. Land contracts are similar to a lease/rental agreement. You pay or you vacate. FW or anyone selling on a land contract are still responsible for taxes. IMO, she afforded buyers an opportunity banks would not. They are credit risks or they would go with conventional mortgages. And, anyone buying from her did so on their own accord. I’m guessing most that ended up breaching the contract are transient, non working, substance abusers.
I’ve also seen many good people go under financially by purchasing rental property, ending up with non paying tenants, leaving the landlord with no income to make the payment.

I think most of the land business dealings and the horse business was started by her husband. She has just recently had to start taking care of the what her husband started.

 

[rsd1200]

I agree, if it's based on looks alone. He sure looks mean.

I guess one reason I consider it's possibly AW, is the issue that motivated this was custody, typically much more important to a grandmother than a grandfather.

Custody may be the tipping point, but I think that G3 may have been harboring some ill feelings prior to that. Roll it all up with some recent animosity between grandmothers, girlfriends, and JW wanting to be the custodial parent, and it lit the match.

 

[rsd1200]

One possibility is that he is leading because it's the way he behaves, but she embarked because there was a motivation for her in it.

ETA: They fed each other, one with violence, the other with motivation

This. I see this play out on a smaller scale, around me, all the time. I've seen some females step up and take the rap for their man, when they were both into stuff they shouldn't have been. It's their way of showing their level of commitment to their man. It would not surprise me that he voiced this, and as they talked about it, as sort of a "what if", she got on-board, and the real planning began.