OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#39

[Satchie]

Idk if the meeting was a “hosted” event, as in pre planned or if everyone converged on FW for advice.
I also think the 4 wouldn’t mind RWs presence.
I also feel IF RW/RAW had any clue what was going on, they would want their mom OUT of the equation & very peed off that she was involved by virtue of the 4. Totally agree with your “maternal instinct” suggestion. We see this with nearly every crime. The parent/s of the suspect rarely believe the evidence against their child true. Some, even presented with facts, will spend every dollar they have, in effort to clear their child, they simply can’t accept the truth.

Eta: if RW is an informant, I don’t find it unusual she’s in court. Someone can turn someone in or testify against them but still love them. IF either RW/RAW turned “mole”, I think it likely their decision was made as they saw their mom becoming more intertwined. And, I have no reason to believe RW/RAW are anything other than law abiding.

ETA: they knew LE was closing in after the GJ convened. I think that’s what prompted revenge discussions. Can’t we all picture G4 “I ain’t going to jail, they ain’t arresting me, I’ll shoot........”

I agree, I was thinking, her being called before the grand jury might have prompted her to call a family powwow before and after. Other siblings at the table, to discuss what she should say or had said.

I wonder what she was lying about to LE: the custody document, an alibi...?

 

[rsd1200]

I can't even imagine that happening. I can't even imagine my asking him. But I can imagine the look I would get if I did.

I do like the fact that it is there as an alternative should I ever need it for pain. That's what hubby and I told him when we voted for it. We are getting older where broken bones and diseases like cancer are a fact of life and getting addicted to opioids is a real possibility.

BBM
LOL!

My fil thinks the same way about taking any pain meds. He is in his 80s, bedfast, and in constant pain. I feel bad for him but he refuses anything strong enough to ease his suffering. If I'm his age, and suffering, I'd take the opiates. The thing with opiates, is that if taken properly, you may be dependent upon them, for pain relief, but that's different than being an addict.

Someone taking them properly, will get a scrip, and it won't run out til time for a refill. An addict will get a scrip, and a month's supply may be gone within the first few days. After a few hours, withdrawal starts. What to do? Go in search of more. Where to get them? The pharmacy nor doctor is going to buy it, that you dropped the entire bottle in the toilet (no joke, it's been tried). Docs started freaking out and yanking scrips after some of them became millionaires. So, when that bottle ran dry, many folks were likely in a world of hurt. Withdrawal off of opiates, is sheer Hell. So, they find a connection. What's closest to opiates, cheap, and relieves pain? Heroin.

https://www.summitdetox.com/opiate-detox/

 

[rsd1200]

But how would him owing money to a car dealer be relevant?

It's not, unless he didn't pay him. If he didn't pay him, then it would not shine well on his position, and it would be wrong. Someone owes me $20k for a vehicle, I want my $20k. However, I just think it is someone, possibly the former gf, who wants to take some of the shine off of him, after arrests were made. We've all seen something similar, someone rises to the top, and out of the blue, something like this comes up. Anon at that. If he weren't a public official, we'd have likely never head of it, the anon person would have just run their mouth all over town and been done. They have a stage now. Just my 2¢.

 

[Trudie]

It's not, unless he didn't pay him. If he didn't pay him, then it would not shine well on his position, and it would be wrong. Someone owes me $20k for a vehicle, I want my $20k. However, I just think it is someone, possibly the former gf, who wants to take some of the shine off of him, after arrests were made. We've all seen something similar, someone rises to the top, and out of the blue, something like this comes up. Anon at that. If he weren't a public official, we'd have likely never head of it, the anon person would have just run their mouth all over town and been done. They have a stage now. Just my 2¢.

Agree. Repo is always an option, if he’s not satisfying his debt.

 

[Trudie]

I literally get sick to my stomach thinking had these murders not happened that possibly the W’s would have had influence, (thru visitation or possibly having custody) of Little S
What on earth makes people like AW think they have any thing to contribute to the rearing of a child.
After all is said & done, I hope for S & B all contact is severed with the W’s. Once the 4 are housed in state prisons, let’s hope the court doesn’t rule the two minor kids have to continue a relationship with their fathers. We seee this too much. I recall Machete Melanie McGuire putting up a big fight for her kids to be brought to Edna prison for monthly visitation with her.

I also wanted to comment on JWs hair color. I don’t think it relevant to the crimes. Maybe he wanted to be blonder like S, or he thinks he’s better looking with a dif’ tone. I do wish he’d see the jail barber.......just sayin’. I don’t find any of the 4 to be style icons.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I literally get sick to my stomach thinking had these murders not happened that possibly the W’s would have had influence, (thru visitation or possibly having custody) of Little S
What on earth makes people like AW think they have any thing to contribute to the rearing of a child.
After all is said & done, I hope for S & B all contact is severed with the W’s. Once the 4 are housed in state prisons, let’s hope the court doesn’t rule the two minor kids have to continue a relationship with their fathers. We seee this too much. I recall Machete Melanie McGuire putting up a big fight for her kids to be brought to Edna prison for monthly visitation with her.

I also wanted to comment on JWs hair color. I don’t think it relevant to the crimes. Maybe he wanted to be blonder like S, or he thinks he’s better looking with a dif’ tone. I do wish he’d see the jail barber.......just sayin’. I don’t find any of the 4 to be style icons.

I’m already concerned for the influence the W’s have already had on both S and B. The ages of these children are one of the most crucial times in development. I was once told that a child is who they will always be by the age of 5. Meaning their character. Sure we all change, mature, and adapt throughout life, however our foundation is set in the first 5 years.

 

[Elley Mae]

Fredericka Wagner is a tax-paying, God-fearing land and business owner who has never gotten a speeding or parking ticket, her lawyer told a Pike County judge at her arraignment on charges she lied to a grand jury investigating the 2016 killing of the Rhoden family.

Fredericka Wagner: A look at her property and assets

....

The Wagners settled in South Webster, population 860, about six months ago, said Pirul Patel, the owner of the local Sunoco station. For all appearances, their life was normal. Regularly, Patel said, they came to her store for gasoline, Subway sandwiches, and cigarettes.

Pike County investigation: 8 deaths and multiple arrests were tied to one key factor — child custody

....

Canepa went on to say she wasn't suggesting Wagner would become a hitman, but alleged Wagner had gone against judge's orders not to discuss testimony before a grand jury earlier this year.

Rhoden family massacre: Prosecutor alleges Fredericka Wagner plotted revenge

....

My ? Answered.

Looks like they returned when FW testified GJ and property search. She just had to tell them, probably about lost her mind till they returned, then six months if torment and looking over their shoulders.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

http://www.fox19.com/2018/12/18/pike-county-commissioner-its-really-crazy-situation/

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Idk if the meeting was a “hosted” event, as in pre planned or if everyone converged on FW for advice.
I also think the 4 wouldn’t mind RWs presence.
I also feel IF RW/RAW had any clue what was going on, they would want their mom OUT of the equation & very peed off that she was involved by virtue of the 4. Totally agree with your “maternal instinct” suggestion. We see this with nearly every crime. The parent/s of the suspect rarely believe the evidence against their child true. Some, even presented with facts, will spend every dollar they have, in effort to clear their child, they simply can’t accept the truth.

Eta: if RW is an informant, I don’t find it unusual she’s in court. Someone can turn someone in or testify against them but still love them. IF either RW/RAW turned “mole”, I think it likely their decision was made as they saw their mom becoming more intertwined. And, I have no reason to believe RW/RAW are anything other than law abiding.

ETA: they knew LE was closing in after the GJ convened. I think that’s what prompted revenge discussions. Can’t we all picture G4 “I ain’t going to jail, they ain’t arresting me, I’ll shoot........”

BBM
We see this with nearly every crime.

But we don't see the parents charged every time do we? That's what makes me think she is neck deep in it and probably from the beginning. LE knows she is but perjury and OoJ is just the only thing they could prove. You might be surprised if one of the 4W's start talking.

I also feel IF RW/RAW had any clue what was going on, they would want their mom OUT of the equation & very peed off that she was involved by virtue of the 4.

But you don't know the dynamics between Fred and all her children do you?

We know Bobby left and started his own business. Why was that?

We also know Robin is apparently the one managing the farm. Why is that? Why wasn't Billy put in charge?

We also know that Billy is the baby of the family and born quite a few years after Robin. 7 or 8 I think. And we all know how the baby who was born years after the others is usually treated. They are pampered around with the older kids usually put in charge of their care. As in "take care of Billy, he's the baby" or "Give that to him, he's the baby." And as the baby he was probably favored more and given more than the other 2. He was also probably protected more than the other 2 so in effect he "got by with more".

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

BBM

Very true. One has to be very careful. Most folks have a firewall, and, either separate, or together, an antivirus/malware scanner, at minimum, on their personal computers. Many forget about their phones though. A smartphone is basically a tiny computer.

While this is not as horrible as what has happened to some, I recently had someone try and intercept a fairly significant purchase that I had made online. Someone sent the owner an email stating that the item was to be delivered to another address, in another state. The merchant caught it, and contacted me, to double check the order, thank goodness!

I have tons of security on the computers used in my business. The IRS requires us to have the highest security software available on any computers used to store taxpayer information. I also have security cameras and other security measures to ensure my office is not broken into. All my online banking ect. is done on these computers. I never conduct banking or bill paying with my cell phone.

But I don't have a lot of security on the computer I use at home as I have no business or personal business information on it.

O/T The owner of the medical MJ dispensary called me today for advice on tax issues. I was caught off guard and almost laughed when he told me who he was because of our conversations on here. But I was able to stutter out the information he needed to know. I have got to start acting a little more professional about it. If I lose his business because I can't keep from laughing I am blaming you RSD. You are just a bad influence. LOL

 

[Elley Mae]

RAISINISBACK

Business is Business $$ for you.

 

[Trudie]

I’m already concerned for the influence the W’s have already had on both S and B. The ages of these children are one of the most crucial times in development. I was once told that a child is who they will always be by the age of 5. Meaning their character. Sure we all change, mature, and adapt throughout life, however our foundation is set in the first 5 years.

I know. I’m hoping S will somehow exceed expectation. And, she can. Hopefully, she will find a forever home that can bless her & fulfill her emotional needs.

Down the road, I expect many rather nasty custody battles.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

RAISINISBACK

Business is Business $$ for you.

Can you clarify this a bit? Are we talking about my business, Fred's business or just business dollars in general?

 

[Trudie]

Why does RN have no electricity? Is she not a retired school teacher? Does she prefer kerosene over a more conventional source of light?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

BBM
LOL!

My fil thinks the same way about taking any pain meds. He is in his 80s, bedfast, and in constant pain. I feel bad for him but he refuses anything strong enough to ease his suffering. If I'm his age, and suffering, I'd take the opiates. The thing with opiates, is that if taken properly, you may be dependent upon them, for pain relief, but that's different than being an addict.

Someone taking them properly, will get a scrip, and it won't run out til time for a refill. An addict will get a scrip, and a month's supply may be gone within the first few days. After a few hours, withdrawal starts. What to do? Go in search of more. Where to get them? The pharmacy nor doctor is going to buy it, that you dropped the entire bottle in the toilet (no joke, it's been tried). Docs started freaking out and yanking scrips after some of them became millionaires. So, when that bottle ran dry, many folks were likely in a world of hurt. Withdrawal off of opiates, is sheer Hell. So, they find a connection. What's closest to opiates, cheap, and relieves pain? Heroin.

https://www.summitdetox.com/opiate-detox/

O/T He won't even allow Nyquil in his house because he thinks it contains alcohol. And he won't attend school football games because he claims second hand smoke from cigarettes causes him to choke. And gives him a headache. He really is anal. I just never realized how much. I think they gave me the wrong baby at the hospital when he was born. LOL

 

[Trudie]

Fredericka Wagner is a tax-paying, God-fearing land and business owner who has never gotten a speeding or parking ticket, her lawyer told a Pike County judge at her arraignment on charges she lied to a grand jury investigating the 2016 killing of the Rhoden family.

Fredericka Wagner: A look at her property and assets

....

The Wagners settled in South Webster, population 860, about six months ago, said Pirul Patel, the owner of the local Sunoco station. For all appearances, their life was normal. Regularly, Patel said, they came to her store for gasoline, Subway sandwiches, and cigarettes.

Pike County investigation: 8 deaths and multiple arrests were tied to one key factor — child custody

....

Canepa went on to say she wasn't suggesting Wagner would become a hitman, but alleged Wagner had gone against judge's orders not to discuss testimony before a grand jury earlier this year.

Rhoden family massacre: Prosecutor alleges Fredericka Wagner plotted revenge

....

My ? Answered.

Looks like they returned when FW testified GJ and property search. She just had to tell them, probably about lost her mind till they returned, then six months if torment and looking over their shoulders.

These are all interesting, informative articles.
Did anyone expect FW would refrain from discussing GJ testimony? Not us, here, but authorities? Of course not.
If any of you know anyone that’s currently called before a GJ, wherever you live, ask them a question, I bet you get an answer.

 

[IQuestion]

I think there’s a lot of illusions surrounding FW, her businesses and family. That’s JMO though. Also, considering churches are tax exempt combined with being a follower of a radical religion, it may just be what we all think it is. Or at least speaking for myself, I think the church is a bunch of BS. A tax write off along with a place to gather their small cult like following. Those are only opinions though, not facts.

MITTEN...speaking for me, too! It looked like an austere survivalist bunker with
a few posters hanging on the walls. Overall, just yikes...think I'll pass on Sunday service. ("You can check in any time you want, but you can never leave" playing in my head.)

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Agree. Repo is always an option, if he’s not satisfying his debt.

Unless the alleged $$$ were a monetary loan and not a vehicle.

 

[Dudly]

BBM

Very true. One has to be very careful. Most folks have a firewall, and, either separate, or together, an antivirus/malware scanner, at minimum, on their personal computers. Many forget about their phones though. A smartphone is basically a tiny computer.

While this is not as horrible as what has happened to some, I recently had someone try and intercept a fairly significant purchase that I had made online. Someone sent the owner an email stating that the item was to be delivered to another address, in another state. The merchant caught it, and contacted me, to double check the order, thank goodness!

Just tonight I heard a blurb about someone hacking a baby monitor and trying to extort them over kidnapping their child.

 

[Trudie]

Just tonight I heard a blurb about someone hacking a baby monitor and trying to extort them over kidnapping their child.

I just heard this on NBC. Frightening. Let this be an alert to anyone with WiFi baby monitors.