OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#39

[Dudly]

BBM
LOL!

My fil thinks the same way about taking any pain meds. He is in his 80s, bedfast, and in constant pain. I feel bad for him but he refuses anything strong enough to ease his suffering. If I'm his age, and suffering, I'd take the opiates. The thing with opiates, is that if taken properly, you may be dependent upon them, for pain relief, but that's different than being an addict.

Someone taking them properly, will get a scrip, and it won't run out til time for a refill. An addict will get a scrip, and a month's supply may be gone within the first few days. After a few hours, withdrawal starts. What to do? Go in search of more. Where to get them? The pharmacy nor doctor is going to buy it, that you dropped the entire bottle in the toilet (no joke, it's been tried). Docs started freaking out and yanking scrips after some of them became millionaires. So, when that bottle ran dry, many folks were likely in a world of hurt. Withdrawal off of opiates, is sheer Hell. So, they find a connection. What's closest to opiates, cheap, and relieves pain? Heroin.

https://www.summitdetox.com/opiate-detox/

I can tell you for a fact that not everyone gets addicted to opiates. I was on them numerous times after back surgeries. I was more likely to forget to take them on time than to take too many. I always had some left when I was due for a refill. No one will prescribe them now...

 

[Charliegizmo49]

HAS anyone local heard anything about an attempt on Charlie Readers life? Or do we have another rumor?

 

[IQuestion]

Wasn't sure this was confirmed before. It appears that suspects actually made the silencers themselves as opposed to purchasing, or borrowing from someone else.
Are metal "fittings & pipe fabrication equipment/welders,etc" common items one would find on a large working horse farm? Did FW allow access to W4 family members to all her barns and workshops?
"That’s when authorities confirmed the existence of a homemade silencer they say was built by the suspects."
Homemade silencer last piece of evidence in Pike County murder case
eta, would love to view video cam of JW &G4 arrest. Is there a chance? I wonder if the had one of those pick-ups with a gun rack across the back window?
Buying The Right Truck Gun Rack - Truck Bed Racks

 

[Dudly]

HAS anyone local heard anything about an attempt on Charlie Readers life? Or do we have another rumor?

I have not heard or seen anything about that.

 

[Trudie]

I listened to JWs arraignment again. The judge did not set his pretrial, rather inquires if a date has been set. Obviously, his team had cleared the dates with the prosecution team.
This tells me JWs team is eager to be first.

 

[Trudie]

Wasn't sure this was confirmed before. It appears that suspects actually made the silencers themselves as opposed to purchasing, or borrowing from someone else.
Are metal "fittings & pipe fabrication equipment/welders,etc" common items one would find on a large working horse farm? Did FW allow access to W4 family members to all her barns and workshops?
"That’s when authorities confirmed the existence of a homemade silencer they say was built by the suspects."
Homemade silencer last piece of evidence in Pike County murder case

Bet she’s used to them popping in & out, a lot of times not even aware they or anyone is there.
I think welding equipment is common on large, working farms.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

HAS anyone local heard anything about an attempt on Charlie Readers life? Or do we have another rumor?

I haven't heard anything, and unless it was after 5pm then it is definitely a horrible rumor. Facebook I assume?

 

[OsoTejano]

12/14/2018 (45) DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PROHIBIT THE STATE FROM COMMENTING ON DEFENDANT'S UNSWORN STATEMENT FILED Attorney: KRAPENC, ROBERT F

I have to wonder if AW made some self incriminating statements to the investigators at some point.

 

[Trudie]

12/14/2018 (45) DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PROHIBIT THE STATE FROM COMMENTING ON DEFENDANT'S UNSWORN STATEMENT FILED Attorney: KRAPENC, ROBERT F

I have to wonder if AW made some self incriminating statements to the investigators at some point.

Maybe at the time she was apprehended?? Or, while being booked?

 

[IQuestion]

Yes! He manages FW’s church. There’s photos of him with a couple of the W boys/men in hunting gear inside the Peterson road home.

In fact...haha...I have this link right here with FW conducting church service or something in the church. This link can be found when searching the church on Bethel road, owned by FW. Lots of interesting photos.

Google Maps: Report Inappropriate Image

ETA-i dont know why it links with “report inappropriate image”. Weird. But if you swipe, you’ll find lots of images of inside the church and his caretaking.

Just in case anyone wants to view the images again. The black veil (snood? like thing) still gives me a "cultish" feeling. Just so odd, IMO.
Google Maps: Report Inappropriate Image

 

[Trudie]

Just in case anyone wants to view the images again. The black veil (snood? like thing) still gives me a "cultish" feeling. Just so odd, IMO.
Google Maps: Report Inappropriate Image

Ahhh, tired eyes. I misread “cultish” for “cutish” tho I think no such word exists.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

12/14/2018 (45) DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PROHIBIT THE STATE FROM COMMENTING ON DEFENDANT'S UNSWORN STATEMENT FILED Attorney: KRAPENC, ROBERT F

I have to wonder if AW made some self incriminating statements to the investigators at some point.

Could that be relative to AW & JW’s both giving contradictory statements in media interviews?

 

[IQuestion]

12/14/2018 (45) DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PROHIBIT THE STATE FROM COMMENTING ON DEFENDANT'S UNSWORN STATEMENT ??FILED Attorney: KRAPENC, ROBERT F

I have to wonder if AW made some self incriminating statements to the investigators at some point.

Geeesh, am looking up examples of "unsworn statement" and keep coming up with
military court martial info. "So in many respects, the unsworn statement is a chance to speak freely and openly about almost anything that he wants to."
Did AW say something like, "I am so sorry about all of this. I don't know what got into me. You must think I am a monster." etc? Or something to that affect that would imply prior "culpability knowledge and participation."
What is an unsworn statement? - Courtmartial.com

 

[rsd1200]

I have no doubt that government agencies have the ability to spy on me in a number of different ways.

But my question is why would they want to? Why would a government agency that is overworked and understaffed pick me out of millions and millions of people to spy on?

They can watch me until the cows come home if they have nothing better to do but I am not going to give up my smart phone or anything else on the off chance they will.

JMO

Although I have smart phones and TVs, For me, it's the principle, and the fact that I don't trust the government not to abuse their power. It's not that they just one day say, let's pick out Raisin, or rsd, and monitor them for awhile. It's based on algorithms. Unless something has changed that I'm not aware of, the NSA, has the ability to collect, and keep, the communications of US Citizens, without obtaining a warrant. They can't exactly spy on us, but they can, based on "scores", collect our surfing data, and hang onto it. It matters not who you are, or where you live.

With that said, there's untelling what my browser score is, since I have researched this murder case for over 2 1/2 years. I've been all over the www, researching, for example; The temp in Pike County in the early hours of 4/22/2016, Hwy 23 drug trafficking from Ky to MI, not to mention reading about different ways of building a homemade silencer, and how to go about "bugging" someone. All innocent on my part, but the algorithms may think differently.

 

[IQuestion]

I keep thinking an "unsworn statement" would be one made after being arrested and given her Miranda Warning, but before she met with her attorney. People say some interesting things when they are in the back of a police cruiser, headed to jail...totally unaware those statements can be made a part of a report. I seem to recall officers transporting suspects, testifying to statements made in that kind of scenario.

 

[kaaky]

Please do not yell at me.

I didn't say that it was. I said, " this reads like they were actually at an individual's home, discussing this in front of a human."

I also said, " the prosecution, states that the CI info came from conversation(s) held in FW's home. She states that FW was present, as well".

No matter if it is a human or a bug, it happened in FW's home. Not the Peterson home, and not the Alaska home. The conversation that sh
e (the prosecuting atty) refers to, she says, took place at FW's home.

They only discussed that at FW's hearing, saying it was discussed at her home (Oh, and when GW4 asked for bail, just that he was very vocal to the treats) so there could had been other recordings from other locations or actually a CI, but not been further discussed at this point.

 

[almond]

HAS anyone local heard anything about an attempt on Charlie Readers life? Or do we have another rumor?

I heard it was a rumor and that SM post was taken down.

 

[Trudie]

There is just something about the "revenge against LE" meeting at FW's that does not make sense.
Clearly FW must have had something VERY big at stake to host such a meeting, and I think it was bigger than the potential charge of lying to a grand jury. I think she might have had some maternal instinct to try to save her own blood from going to prison (she would not have known DP was even on the table then) but would have stopped short of risking going to prison herself.
Does not make sense to me that RW or RAW would even be at that meeting, why get involved in a murder plot against LE? They seem to be intelligent enough not to risk going to prison themselves if the revenge plot was carried out.
At the meeting might the 4 & FW have been trying to hire some unsavory type to do their dirty work for them. You know, someone that already had a record and could be discredited in court if he tried to imply the W family had anything to do with LE murders? Sounds like there are many people out there with motive to seek revenge on LE. Maybe the meeting was held at FW's house as she was funding it?
JMO
PS - and the unsavory type was wearing a wire in exchange for getting out of some of his own legal problems.

Reportedly, G4 was the most vocal regarding revenge.

I am guessing FW is more concerned about JW & G4. Like her or dislike her, she raised 2 law abiding kids. )What’s the song, Two out of three ain’t bad, Meatloaf). Idk how she feels about AW as a dil/mom. FW may blame AW for getting the boys involved.

*Bugs. Isnt there available technology that allows for interception w/o the “bugger” needing physical contact with the device?

 

[Trudie]

Could that be relative to AW & JW’s both giving contradictory statements in media interviews?

I don’t think so. “Statement” is more formal. As in she said something to someone with credentials. Something she should not have said.

 

[Trudie]

Geeesh, am looking up examples of "unsworn statement" and keep coming up with
military court martial info. "So in many respects, the unsworn statement is a chance to speak freely and openly about almost anything that he wants to."
Did AW say something like, "I am so sorry about all of this. I don't know what got into me. You must think I am a monster." etc? Or something to that affect that would imply prior "culpability knowledge and participation."
What is an unsworn statement? - Courtmartial.com

I think unsworn statement means she was not sworn to tell the truth.
I don’t even know if LE interviewed her after her arrest. They surely wouldn’t want to risk screwing the case up. There was no reason to interview her & I’m certain she would ask for a lawyer. So, maybe something was said in the cruiser. Might not even be related to the case. She might have been verbally assaulting LE. “You’re gonna be sorry.....do you know who you’re messing with, I’ll have your badge”, and so forth.