OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#39

[RAISINISBACK]

She filed before he was jailed.

Sorry. Thank you.

 

[Trudie]

S would not recv benefits off of G3, and the boy's benis would have ran dry at 18. They'd only receive 50% of what he did too.

The boys had their own trucking company listed. Been looking for my link. They may have taken it down. It did not appear that they got a lot of runs but they may not have updated it either. JW did say he was away a lot during the week and after the murders he took a job close to home so he'd be home for S. It could have all been lies too. We just don't know yet.

S wasn’t entitled to benefits from HR? That’s what I meant.
In one msm article his source of income was listed. It might be an article about a past court issue for theft.

 

[rsd1200]

Laughing at your description of your lawyer!

Made me think of another thing about these cases, so many are under the impression pros/defense are brutal enemies! Nothing is further from the truth.

If trials are held, I foresee so many problems. Starting with jury selection. I tend to believe Dimitrious (I think spelled right), a jury consultant. I think she said more often than not potential jurors present as tho they are auditioning! I see even more problems with witnesses & spectators.

I’m going on the record, I think JW will talk, if he hasn’t already. Seems to me his defense have a sense of urgency.
First one to talk will avoid the DP, IMO. Even if he goes to trial. Something makes me think G4 might be up a creek.

No, they are not enemies. They're in it to win it, though, and have to be or they'd be disbarred. If the evidence is overwhelming in discovery, and the Ws lawyers get them LWOP, or better, then that's a win. If the prosecution sees them in prison for life, or 25-life, that's a win. I let my lawyer work it all out b/c I was done talking. I had evidence and they had a tangled web of lies.

 

[rsd1200]

S wasn’t entitled to benefits from HR? That’s what I meant.
In one msm article his source of income was listed. It might be an article about a past court issue for theft.

I thought you meant G3. Yes, she would recv. 75% survivor benis from HMR until she is 18.

 

[Trudie]

No, they are not enemies. They're in it to win it, though, and have to be or they'd be disbarred. If the evidence is overwhelming in discovery, and the Ws lawyers get them LWOP, or better, then that's a win. If the prosecution sees them in prison for life, or 25-life, that's a win. I let my lawyer work it all out b/c I was done talking. I had evidence and they had a tangled web of lies.

Yessss! Any prison sentence (less DP) is a “win”, for both sides.
That means a conviction for the state & a life saved for defense.
IMO, both sides in at least one case have discussed a “deal”. I just don’t think a defendant has been approached yet.
Not knowing AW, I have no idea what she might do but in all honesty, is she willing to risk her life? Of course the DP is much dif for her & #3, they’re older. The DP process takes sooooo long, it would be years before execution.

Ohio still adding to Death Row population
Some stats here ^^^^^

 

[Trudie]

Not OH, but info on DR in PA

Life on death row a matter of rules, routines, research

Yes, I’d rather see them in GP, looking over their shoulders, day after day, year after year, than snuggled “safely” in a private cell, eating ice cream. Moo
If guilty, I want them in GP afraid to buy ice cream, for fear they’ll be killed over it.

 

[Dudly]

S wasn’t entitled to benefits from HR? That’s what I meant.
In one msm article his source of income was listed. It might be an article about a past court issue for theft.

BBM
If HMR worked enough time to be eligible for SS, I think. S may be eligible for SSI which is a different fund.

 

[Trudie]

BBM
If HMR worked enough time to be eligible for SS, I think. S may be eligible for SSI which is a different fund.

For a minor child, work history of the deceased parent is not required.

 

[Trudie]

AW is in a rather precarious situation, IMO. None of us know anyone’s involvement (not sure LE does, either), if AW, by chance, is less culpable, she can’t clear herself w/o further incriminating her husband or kids.

The language in the indictments is so vague. Can the State say with certainty, “suspect #1 shot victim #3, four times”?
I don’t think so. My thought on this is during the revenge convo, everyone spoke to his/her involvement. Or, maybe on another recorded convo. If certain, I’d expect the indictment to read “........count 1) AW killed HR”, specifically matching suspect/victim. I know they don’t have to & can charge for the person being at the scene, but it does raise my curiosity.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

You are correct. Some states, and I’ll have to look at Ohio, have separate sentencing juries. And yes a Judge can risk a public backlash for overriding a juried decision.

In this egregious crime against 8, it is my opinion that the greater respect and responsibility for the crime and the public right to see justice might come close to being equal to the Rhoden families rights and opinions.

For example;

If allowed to make a deal, will the public perception be that the Waggies money and influence have had any impact;

It might be the case that any supporters who might be an issue need to publicly see the evidence submitted during trial to calm some of the emotional Waggie supporters,


The public process and policy of innocent until proven guilty is a good process. As gruesome as all of it might be, the public has a right to know the investigation was properly conducted, that no one manufactured evidence and every right was followed throughout the investigation, arrest and afterwards,

In light of the recent anonymous rumors/fact, I believe it important for the residents of Pike County to believe in the integrity of LE and their court system.

I strongly believe those accusations are related to the Waggies and if properly investigated, the person behind them should be identified. And I really believe there will be more deceptive activity if the locals think the Waggies were afforded any advantage whatsoever.

A trial, while stressful and most difficult will be factual, not always 100% accurate but it does officially provide families and the public of what happened to Rhodens and most likely the motive, the rumor Mills’s get the wind taken out of their sails,

It might also put to rest any fear locals have(that have been published in the local news) that no one in the area might do more harm. Although DEWine said they got them all, people need evidence that in fact they did arrest them all.

In conclusion it might be good public policy for all those questions, concerns and fears to be answered in a courtroom, covered by media in an open public process.

I think it is funny for Sheriff Charles Reader to have an anomaous complaint filed against him a few days after FW. Gets out of jail, just how much control does the Wagners have in Piketon?

 

[Trudie]

I think it is funny for Sheriff Charles Reader to have an anomaous complaint filed against him a few days after FW. Gets out of jail, just how much control does the Wagners have in Piketon?

Is the complaint related to the Wagner cases? Or Wagner family?

 

[Myland]

I think it is funny for Sheriff Charles Reader to have an anomaous complaint filed against him a few days after FW. Gets out of jail, just how much control does the Wagners have in Piketon?

I don’t ever remember them having any control in pike county. jmo

 

[Trudie]

I don’t ever remember them having any control in pike county. jmo

Really. Even so, it’s not as if the 4 are going to walk out of jail with charges dismissed, over something Reader may have done. Smh.......

 

[rsd1200]

BBM
If HMR worked enough time to be eligible for SS, I think. S may be eligible for SSI which is a different fund.

OH may be different, but when one of the grandkids father died, they were eligible for his social security benis. He'd worked since he was a young teen, and died at only 22.

 

[rsd1200]

AW is in a rather precarious situation, IMO. None of us know anyone’s involvement (not sure LE does, either), if AW, by chance, is less culpable, she can’t clear herself w/o further incriminating her husband or kids.

The language in the indictments is so vague. Can the State say with certainty, “suspect #1 shot victim #3, four times”?
I don’t think so. My thought on this is during the revenge convo, everyone spoke to his/her involvement. Or, maybe on another recorded convo. If certain, I’d expect the indictment to read “........count 1) AW killed HR”, specifically matching suspect/victim. I know they don’t have to & can charge for the person being at the scene, but it does raise my curiosity.

If I could work a deal, to save my kids from the DP, I would tell them everything they wanted to know. If it meant me getting the DP, and my spouse, so be it. Her lawyers looked to be the most stressed the day of her arraignment.

 

[Trudie]

If I could work a deal, to save my kids from the DP, I would tell them everything they wanted to know. If it meant me getting the DP, and my spouse, so be it. Her lawyers looked to be the most stressed the day of her arraignment.

Lol, I thought so too! I’m sure she peppers him with questions.
Yes, I’d save my kids & hope they had a chance at some type of life.

 

[Tricia]

BBM

I agree. When they post rumors it confuses everyone. I don't know where all this is coming from but it is getting hard to sort out.

JMO

This is exactly why we need all members to report the post when they see it contains a rumor. Please!! We do not have the people power to sit and watch a thread 24/7. Your help in identifying rumors is priceless. Please do not be afraid to hit the
"report" tab in the lower left-hand corner of the post.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

This is exactly why we need all members to report the post when they see it contains a rumor. Please!! We do not have the people power to sit and watch a thread 24/7. Your help in identifying rumors is priceless. Please do not be afraid to hit the
"report" tab in the lower left-hand corner of the post.

Tricia thank you so much. It is getting very confusing on here. It is getting really hard to separate fact from rumors.

 

[iridized]

I think it is funny for Sheriff Charles Reader to have an anomaous complaint filed against him a few days after FW. Gets out of jail, just how much control does the Wagners have in Piketon?

The complaint was filed PRIOR to the Wagner's arrests.

Complaint acuses Pike County’s Reader of stealing confiscated drug money - Portsmouth Daily Times

 

[Trudie]

BBM
If HMR worked enough time to be eligible for SS, I think. S may be eligible for SSI which is a different fund.

Right. Either way thru the SSA, I THINK