OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#41

[RAISINISBACK]

“She’s lived her life on the right side of the law and as close the cross as possible” is what was said, I believe. Paraphrasing of course.

Yep. I, for one, am smelling what she is stepping in.

 

[Betty P]

FW seemed relax and confident in court. It felt like she's been in court before. She did not seem extremely worried.

It's possible there isn't much more than what we heard in court. She could get away with a relatively light penalty, if ever convicted.

Does anyone know the possible penalties for her charges - obstructing justice?

She's been charged with a 5th degree felony charge for obstructing justice. If found guilty she can receive up to 12 months in jail. In this case, it's connected to a murder, so....IANAL

What You Should Know about Obstruction of Justice

OTOH, if they had brought federal charges, she would face more jail time, 5 - 20 years.

It's one thing to be charged with OOJ because you lied about your buddy hiding his MJ under the car seat when the cops pulled him over, something different when you're trying to cover up for your family murdering 8 people.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

FW seemed relax and confident in court. It felt like she's been in court before. She did not seem extremely worried.

It's possible there isn't much more than what we heard in court. She could get away with a relatively light penalty, if ever convicted.

Does anyone know the possible penalties for her charges - obstructing justice?

She has been in court before. An uncountable number of times. It may not have been for criminal actions, but she’s sat in civil cases over and over through the years, as reflected on a search of her name on Pike County Courts Public Record search.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Absolutely agree. It bothers me that they claim such religious beliefs (as if how dare you think that I, as a Christian, would ever do anything wrong.) The walking as right with the cross or whatever her attorney said. The pastor and his
Pastor son speaking in support of them when they went to Alaska. It's just so deceitful and wrong.

Any true Christian will tell ya there’s no perfect Christian or person. Therefore, using her Christianity to try and portray her character shows me her faith is being used for the wrong manner. True Christians don’t use their religious beliefs for leverage to obtain bond. JMO.

 

[Howcanppldosuch]

Yes! And here’s another statement that has long bothered me that Jakey boy made. This statement comes off as entitled to me.

“But if he isn't Kylie's dad, and if the courts deem another man suitable to care for her, he will step aside -- at least partially.

"I'm not going to take her," Wagner said. "But I will want mandatory visitation in order to see her regularly."

What gave Jake the right to believe he would be entitled to mandatory visitation to a child that wasn’t his? Why would he even believe he would be granted mandatory visitation? Or was this another statement by one of the defendants to paint a false picture of the defendants?

Also the part - “But I’m not going to take her” comes off to me like he has experience taking a child (aka Sophia). And how did he take S? By murdering her entire immediate maternal family and mother. Just to clarify, I’m pulling my thoughts I wrote down in my notes when this article came out. And that was long before arrests or even before the W’s were named a “laser focus” by DeWine.

All JMO.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/85231530

I agree, it seems very delusional to think you can have mandatory visitation with a child that isn’t yours.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

She's been charged with a 5th degree felony charge for obstructing justice. If found guilty she can receive up to 12 months in jail. In this case, it's connected to a murder, so....IANAL

What You Should Know about Obstruction of Justice

OTOH, if they had brought federal charges, she would face more jail time, 5 - 20 years.

It's one thing to be charged with OOJ because you lied about your buddy hiding his MJ under the car seat when the cops pulled him over, something different when you're trying to cover up for your family murdering 8 people.

I’ve been curious if she is found guilty, will the crime she is accused of obstructing justice and committing perjury on be factored into sentencing?

Like you stated, there’s a big difference in OOJ when lying about a friend putting a bag of MJ under the seat of car compared to OOJ which caused a hinderence in arrests for 8 capital murders.

 

[Dudly]

“She’s lived her life on the right side of the law and as close the cross as possible” is what was said, I believe. Paraphrasing of course.

People that really do live that way do not need to tell anyone that they do...

 

[Howcanppldosuch]

People that really do live that way do not need to tell anyone that they do...

I have always thought, when someone feels the need to tell you how religious they are, you should be very suspicious.

 

[Howcanppldosuch]

Two questions, please.

Was the money thrown around on a victom designed to mislead (Robbery or drug deal gone bad) or was there something else to it between the Ws and Rs?

Did anyone, in either family have an issue with the age problem of J and H?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

? Is the trials for public or just family?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

FWs attorney is a good actor, he could when academy awards JMO.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Two questions, please.

Was the money thrown around on a victom designed to mislead (Robbery or drug deal gone bad) or was there something else to it between the Ws and Rs?

Did anyone, in either family have an issue with the age problem of J and H?

I believe those are questions most followers of this case would love to know the answers to. I’m hopeful we will find out as these cases slowly unfold.

 

[ohioexpat63]

IMO: Fred doesn't come across as a warm, fuzzy and eggnog making granny. If she is the face of the W4 as the cases move forward, the W4 are in serious trouble. I can't see her tainting a jury pool in favor of the defense. That perpetual scowl makes her appear evil. MOO

 

[MittenScarpetta]

? Is the trials for public or just family?

Assumingly, the trials will be live steamed, just as the proceedings so far have been. As far as getting into the courtroom as an observer, that’s a good question.

 

[OhioBlues]

“She’s lived her life on the right side of the law and as close the cross as possible” is what was said, I believe. Paraphrasing of course.

Then the attorney added something about 'more than those people there' pointing out the prosecutors'. Her family is accused of murdering a family of 8 and her perjury/ooj and he basically said FW was more honest or Christian than them.

The nerve of that lawyer/FW was something that I will never forget.

 

[Myland]

It shows a measure of the W's contempt for the R's.

JMO

I have to disagree. Other people close to the victims did not come out and speak. Cr employer could have held a benefit for the funerals, but he didn’t come out and speak either Jmo and others could have done more. It was in my opinion very insulting to the victims that the reward money was so low. Jmo

 

[OhioBlues]

She has been sued before for misrepresenting her horses and dogs I think. Someone posted a link to that I believe. She stole some pictures off the internet of some dogs and put them on her website claiming they were her dogs. Whoever owned the dogs sued her for it. So this is not her first rodeo in court.

JMO

This explains a great deal about the dog breed (that she created) and the dishonest actions that she allegedly committed. The dogs appear to sell for over 2 grand.

American Mastiff Facts - Purebred Recognition

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I have to disagree. Other people close to the victims did not come out and speak. Cr employer could have held a benefit for the funerals, but he didn’t come out and speak either Jmo and others could have done more. It was in my opinion very insulting to the victims that the reward money was so low. Jmo

You are right. There are a lot of people who could have did and said more.

But only her family has been accused of killing the 8 victims. To me, if they are as innocent as she believes them to be, she would be displaying more sympathy for the victims and the victims families. Not portraying the countenance of a woman who is furious at being inconvenienced by their deaths.

Make no mistake, that woman is a narcissist and it's all about her. Just watch her face and actions as her attorney begins his spiel.

JMo

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I have to disagree. Other people close to the victims did not come out and speak. Cr employer could have held a benefit for the funerals, but he didn’t come out and speak either Jmo and others could have done more. It was in my opinion very insulting to the victims that the reward money was so low. Jmo

Is it possible BBL owner was scared to publicly speak? I’ve always wondered why he was so quiet
about all of this when he employed a few of the victims/family members and was so close to the family. I questioned that when considering theories (before arrests). I agree though, the reward money was very insulting to the victims.

 

[Jayejayehilltop]

Has it ever been said where all of the Waggies were the night of the murders?