OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#41

[RAISINISBACK]

JMO: There are some posts, rumors, accusations and all kinds of craziness eerily similar to the now closed site. I certainly hope the craziness from there doesn't enter here.

Hmmm. The mods keep this site pretty straight.

JMO

 

[Myland]

It's in the motions filed in the case notes for each of the defendants

https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/eservices/home.page.2

The theory is my opinion.

Thank you

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Ramble on Rose Since: May 16 Location hidden

Each to his own
When Kentucky is home
No Sin goes unpunished
When the voice is their own
Poppy is dead now
I fell down
Wheres Jones at He's Dead.
I know that
The baby is crying
Hey
Speak I know where the key was
bedroom, bathroom
Go on
Sing Me a tune
Tell her to say CGR
Please don't turn me in
I'm gonna go check on Frankie
Good Dog
Tell em you called to check' up on him'
He's dead
He knows that
Shhhhhhhhhhh
Pick that up
Steady
Hmmm Hmmm
Checked to see if he was alright now
Let Lucifer go forth to claim his own
Innocence is not lost
she has brought them home.
Rest in Peace CGDCHFHK
Who wrote these poems and why

IDK. None of that makes any sense. Kind of sounds like they were self medicating while writing that.

JMo

 

[Loomis124]

I think someone brought her clothes that had a message written inside them and jail staff found it, so they wouldn't allow her to wear the clothes that was brought to her. Ergo she had to wear jail scrubs.

JMO

I only caught this as a rumor. Is there proof that this actually happened? TY

 

[Betty P]

Ramble on Rose Since: May 16 Location hidden

Each to his own
When Kentucky is home
No Sin goes unpunished
When the voice is their own
Poppy is dead now
I fell down
Wheres Jones at He's Dead.
I know that
The baby is crying
Hey
Speak I know where the key was
bedroom, bathroom
Go on
Sing Me a tune
Tell her to say CGR
Please don't turn me in
I'm gonna go check on Frankie
Good Dog
Tell em you called to check' up on him'
He's dead
He knows that
Shhhhhhhhhhh
Pick that up
Steady
Hmmm Hmmm
Checked to see if he was alright now
Let Lucifer go forth to claim his own
Innocence is not lost
she has brought them home.
Rest in Peace CGDCHFHK
Who wrote these poems and why

Well, they're interesting poems, but I don't think they were written by someone with knowledge of the crimes. JMO. I can't quite decipher all of it, but I'm not sure they got all the facts straight. For example, according to the recently released preliminary autopsy reports, we now know CR1 was killed a while before the others. KR's state of decomp indicated he was killed about the same time period as the others, excepting CR1.

Rhoden family massacre: Autopsy reports indicate one victim was awake when fatally shot

Rhodens shot in head at point-blank range

 

[Betty P]

Hmmm. The mods keep this site pretty straight.

JMO

A good opportunity to remind everyone - if you see a violation of Websleuth rules/TOS, just alert the mods, they'll take care of it. And we all have to remember to use JMO or MOO, etc. to indicate when we're talking about a theory or our own speculation. I forget sometimes, too.

 

[ohioexpat63]

Betty, I missed them asking for recordings...I thought only transcripts of her testimony.

That was my understanding, too. The judge ordered the entire testimony of FW be transcribed as well as the testimony directly dealing with the alleged perjury. The judge has not ruled on the entire transcript of FW being released to her attorney. The defense may have filed a motion for the entire GJ testimonies of all participants but I don't believe the judge has ruled on it one way or another if so. MOO

 

[Loomis124]

Just a few observations on Fred's appearance.

I noticed Robin was not sitting front and center but a few rows back. I think Fred is a very smart woman who noticed how those media cameras focused on Robin every time and decided to play that. So she put Robin a few rows back so the cameras would be all on Fred. Then she played those cameras like a fiddle to get out in the public what she wanted them to know.

Things I came away with after Fred and her lawyers performance.

1. Fred is innocent.
2. Fred is a victim of an unfortunate misunderstanding on the part of law enforcement.
3. Fred is a decent woman.
4. If Fred did lie it is because she didn't hear the question right and answered incorrectly.
5. Fred is loyal to her family.
6. Fred is being unfairly treated by LE not allowing her to write her family.
7. Fred's son and his family are innocent.
8. Fred's son and his family are being persecuted and should hang in there until such time as LE catches the "real" killers.

Her attorney had to strain to get all that out in the few minutes he had. And Fred perked up at just the right moments in her attorneys speech to get just the right visual image to his words out there.

Overall a stellar performance by Fred.

I wonder how much her attorney is billing her for it?

JMO

Maybe so, but who in their right minds would fall for that?

 

[OhioBlues]

Yes that could be too. Jmo but the state is just really wanting to run the clock on fw. Jmo they may have more on the other grandma Jmo

They asked for a higher bail for FW because she was involved in conversations to take out at least 3 elected officials. They stated that she has more money too but Geez.

 

[rsd1200]

From my own notes and observations, Dana previously worked at The Manor in Adams county prior to working on Hillside road. I can’t link that so it’s just my personal opinion.

I have this from early years, it seems she started at Hillside, went to the Manor, then back to Hillside;

At age 16, Manley married 19-year-old Christopher Rhoden Sr., on Oct. 18, 1994. She was a student at the time. Her first child, Frankie, was born in August 1995, while daughter Hanna was born in April 1997. She had another child, Christopher Jr., in November 1999.

Five months after giving birth to Hanna, Rhoden earned her nurse aide license. She worked at Hillside Skilled Nursing and Rehabilitation for about six months, according to Jennie Elliot, director of nursing.

Pike County shooting victims: A closer look at the 8 who died

 

[Loomis124]

Yes. he said it. I don't know if it was a slip up. Probably was. That is one slick lawyer. I did notice that when Angela C was talking that Fred looked straight at her. It would seem that if Fred was hard of hearing she would have turned her right side to Ms. C to better hear what she was saying.

JMO

One other observation. Fred wants her day in the court of public opinion via press conferences.

I personally think her business is suffering from all this. You will not be in business long if you appear to your customers or the public to be dishonest. So she is trying to get out there via media cameras that she has been falsely accused and would never lie about anything. Further evidence is that she is just a hard working woman who cares about her disabled patients in the care facility and a God fearing woman who just wants to go to church.

That is one good attorney. He got all that in there in just one court appearance. I think we can expect more theatrics from both him and Fred in the upcoming appearances.

He's a joke. Just watching him. Lol. He and FW deserve each other. IMO. She will take his career to the bottom.

 

[Cool Cats]

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Brently called his dad a zombie. He went in their room and let BJM into the house, unlocking the door.

 

[IQuestion]

JW posted a photo on FB and his hair was dyed black. I am 99.99% certain that it was a day or two after the murders. KR2 asked him about it. I believe that GW4 hair was dyed black as well. There is a photo on the farm website from the end of April 2016 and his hair is dyed black IMO. My theory would be that JW was a shooter as well and they probably had face coverings and coveralls. MOO. JMO.

OHIOBLUES Did you or anyone on this thread, consider JW & GW4 dyed their hair black with the intention of appearing to be latino asesinos? If they were seen by witnesses or the young toddler (who was old enough to verbalize & describe) caught a glimpse of them.... the first thing they would notice "black hair"??

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I only caught this as a rumor. Is there proof that this actually happened? TY

Nope. Just my opinion only. I was replying to the post where someone asked for everyone's opinion about why Angie was wearing jail clothes instead of her own. So I gave mine for what it was worth.

JMO

 

[Loomis124]

No one could know what the purchases were. It was not disclosed to the public. All that was made public was that summary of how many items were included in the filing. The only thing that could possibly be done is speculate what they might be.

I disagree. Posters are posting specifics, like feed for the animals, etc. They are either lying or have sources to the Amazon purchases.

 

[OhioBlues]

"Jake and Hanna had worked their differences out with the use of a local attorney," he said. But that agreement was not formalized and is not entered in court.

But the news of DeWine's press release has filled the airwaves on the Kenai Peninsula and been the topic of some cafe and workplace conversations in the last week.

"Aren't those the people on the run?" asked Andy Billings, 46, of Seward, nonchalantly while he and two friends had lunch at Veronica's Cafe in Old Town Kenai. "We get a lot of that here."

He was surprised to learn that the family is not wanted for questioning. But he wasn't surprised the Wagners chose to pick up stakes in Ohio and join the other 60 percent of transplants to Alaska.

I wish that a lawyer would confirm or deny what I am going to say here:

The State of Ohio does not allow 'private' custody agreements. The dad has to go and file a page with the court and set a hearing for the judge to approve the parents arrangements (if they agree).

The State of Ohio wants to confirm child support payments are being made. They certainly don't want a mother to receive benefits such as Medicaid and Welfare if there is a dad that should be paying his share of support. This is a standard form. Just go to the Hamilton County Court website and you can download the form. The total filing fee is $ 250.

The Wagner's couldn't fight for custody because JW had sex with an underage Minor and is now facing Felony Charges. He would have been charged with that if he had taken HR to court.

I want to know who this mystery lawyer is that was arranging this agreement.

Felony rape trumps bedbugs and roosters every day of the week.

JMO. MOO.

 

[Cool Cats]

Nope. Just my opinion only. I was replying to the post where someone asked for everyone's opinion about why Angie was wearing jail clothes instead of her own. So I gave mine for what it was worth.

JMO

I asked that question. Thankx for your opinion. I find it weird she was in jail scrubs and her sons were not.

2 Cents......Shouldn't matter if she was on any sanctions, Court is Court separate from the jail.

But then again I don't think her attorneys filed a Motion on it.

 

[Betty P]

That was my understanding, too. The judge ordered the entire testimony of FW be transcribed as well as the testimony directly dealing with the alleged perjury. The judge has not ruled on the entire transcript of FW being released to her attorney. The defense may have filed a motion for the entire GJ testimonies of all participants but I don't believe the judge has ruled on it one way or another if so. MOO

In the hearing, FW's attorney invoked Rule 16B1, which (Owens claims) says the defendant is entitled to any written or recorded statements, including Grand Jury testimony. Owens says FW testified for several hours and that she's entitled to all of her GJ testimony. The judge hasn't ruled yet. He says the state has until Jan 31 to submit a brief arguing why FW shouldn't receive written transcript of her GJ testimony.

So Owens made a broad request for written and recorded testimony, but the judge just said he would only rule on written transcript.

You have to listen or read very carefully what FW's attorney says and doesn't say. He's tricky.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I asked that question. Thankx for your opinion. I find it weird she was in jail scrubs and her sons were not.

2 Cents......Shouldn't matter if she was on any sanctions, Court is Court separate from the jail.

But then again I don't think her attorneys filed a Motion on it.

I think it was you who asked. I guess I got so excited you asked me for my opinion I forgot to put JMO at the bottom.

JMO

 

[OhioBlues]

Clearly, the family had hoped to leave the swirls of speculation and finger-pointing back in Ohio. And, Clark said, the Wagners have grown weary of the constant questioning by authorities.

"It's the questions you would expect over and over and over: 'Where were you? What do you know?'" the lawyer said based on his conversations with the family. "Having (Jake) look at these pictures, some of them are horrific..."

Some family members and acquaintances of the Rhoden and Wagner families have alleged that Billy Wagner and Chris Rhoden, Sr., had a confrontation several weeks before the killings and that Jake Wagner and Hanna Rhoden were involved in a bitter custody dispute over Sophia.

Clark and Angela Wagner said neither is true.

Clark specifically said Tuesday a loose custody arrangement the couple had for Sophia was being formalized by another attorney in Ohio at the time of the killings
This is from the interview while they were in Alaska, they let it out of the bag about custody papers.

I should not have attached my post to yours. I apologize.