OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#42

[Betty P]

It's alittle blurry

Go back a couple of pages here in the forum and you'll find a larger, clear version.

Another photo in that slideshow has always interested me - the one of Geneva Rhoden looking at Billy from behind. I've always tried to observe her body language when she's in the courtroom with various Wagner defendants. Some she doesn't look at, others she gives the evil eye. Just wondered if its an indication of who she thinks (or knows) were the shooters/leaders, etc. of her family.

From her expression in this photo, I'd say Billy is at the top of her list

 

[IQuestion]

I hope it is okay to add a quote of a post I seen on FB since the arrests pertaining to premurder custody issue. I do have a ss but not sure that is allowed, and I do not want to invade nor throw that persons identity out on a public forum. But the girl stated " I had seen myself how controlled HR was. Her and I have had many talks. It got worse when she started dating Corey and they faked custody." So my thoughts are now that the forged custody documents did in fact happen before the murders. Please let me know if that quote is not allowed and I will gladly delete it or please delete if you want.

Welcome to Websleuths OHIOCOUNTRYGIRL!! You are so sweet to tell us about talks with HMR. (Share with prosecutors anything you can that might help) I had prayed she had friends her age with whom she confided and received emotional support. One day, when S grows up, she will seek you out...she'll ask about her Mother, the music she liked, favorite subjects & hobbies and save all the pictures. I get so angry when I think about her being "bullied" and the monsters who wanted to steal all her happiness.....just so horrible. (There is a kind group of people here... the biggest hugs are from me, today. I just got teary eyed thinking young people should not have the burden of so much sorrow.)

 

[Ann99]

In looking at some of the links provided recently, the photos, etc., I am wondering....
Is it known as fact, are there photos, or accounts of, any of the Wagners attending the Rhoden Funerals?
One would expect that Jake would attend, and I would also expect his Mom, Angela, being S grandmother, would attend.
Did any of them show up?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Incorrect info there - HG not "intimate partner with Chris Jr.". (bbm)

This is from Dr Ozz show in 2016 it was a profilings of the Rhoden murder case, we all know that Frankie was with Hannah, but people in California took it for granted that the first born of the Rhoden was a jr.

 

[Puzzles8]

I remember in Dewine's presser he mention use of a "new, innovative technology"..
I'm going to guess that technology involved the ability to extract DNA from ammonia soaked blood/tissue.
I'm going to guess they got the DNA results from that in April 2017. After the DNA pointed conclusively to the W's, the interviews and searches started full force. And in June 2017 - laser focus.
Ohio AG: 'Today is the Day' —  Arrests made in connection with Rhoden murders
But, we still need to figure out:
Why was there such bad blood between the Ws and the Rs - specifically the 8 they murdered?
Who were they monitoring/hacking from 7/2014 through 5/9/2017 (when they left for AK) and WHY? Why did it cease when they left for AK?
How is BBL involved?
Where was the 4/15/2018 trailer search? AK?, Canada?, Ohio? W's came back to Ohio very soon after that search, why?
Who knew that the silencer was at the bottom of a well on Peterson and who told LE about it on October 30, 2018?

 

[Fayette_kid]

I remember in
Who knew that the silencer was at the bottom of a well on Peterson and who told LE about it on October 30, 2018?

Is that the house that the Ws sold when they moved to Alaska? If I was the person that bought that property from them and then heard the "laser focus" comment on the news afterwards, I'd be wondering if they left anything behind and would be checking over the property with a fine tooth comb. JMO

 

[Betty P]

I remember in Dewine's presser he mention use of a "new, innovative technology"..
I'm going to guess that technology involved the ability to extract DNA from ammonia soaked blood/tissue.
I'm going to guess they got the DNA results from that in April 2017. After the DNA pointed conclusively to the W's, the interviews and searches started full force. And in June 2017 - laser focus.
Ohio AG: 'Today is the Day' — Arrests made in connection with Rhoden murders
But, we still need to figure out:
Why was there such bad blood between the Ws and the Rs - specifically the 8 they murdered?
Who were they monitoring/hacking from 7/2014 through 5/9/2017 (when they left for AK) and WHY? Why did it cease when they left for AK?
How is BBL involved?
Where was the 4/15/2018 trailer search? AK?, Canada?, Ohio? W's came back to Ohio very soon after that search, why?
Who knew that the silencer was at the bottom of a well on Peterson and who told LE about it on October 30, 2018?

Could be a few things. Could be special microscopes, etc. to analyze the silencer and spent cartridges to extract fingerprints or DNA. As you say, it could have also been special lab techniques to extract Rhoden DNA from BPVs, car seats, etc. IIRC, DeWine said the ATF had the silencer in their lab for a week or so working on it, so assume they were able to link it to one of the Wags.

As for the use of ammonia, I'm not sure how much it could help protect the Wagners. Most of the DNA the Wags would contaminate at the crime scenes belonged to the Rhodens. LE would expect to find it there.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I remember in Dewine's presser he mention use of a "new, innovative technology"..
I'm going to guess that technology involved the ability to extract DNA from ammonia soaked blood/tissue.
I'm going to guess they got the DNA results from that in April 2017. After the DNA pointed conclusively to the W's, the interviews and searches started full force. And in June 2017 - laser focus.
Ohio AG: 'Today is the Day' — Arrests made in connection with Rhoden murders
But, we still need to figure out:
Why was there such bad blood between the Ws and the Rs - specifically the 8 they murdered?
Who were they monitoring/hacking from 7/2014 through 5/9/2017 (when they left for AK) and WHY? Why did it cease when they left for AK?
How is BBL involved?
Where was the 4/15/2018 trailer search? AK?, Canada?, Ohio? W's came back to Ohio very soon after that search, why?
Who knew that the silencer was at the bottom of a well on Peterson and who told LE about it on October 30, 2018?

Good questions
Could the trailer search be a hauling trailer of their belongings?

 

[Ann99]

“As for the use of ammonia, I'm not sure how much it could help protect the Wagners. Most of the DNA the Wags would contaminate at the crime scenes belonged to the Rhodens. LE would expect to find it there.”

My opinion. Supposition.
We don’t know if any Wagner sustained injuries, maybe blood was spilled, or transferred.
CRsr and GR may have fought and injured one of the Wags. Same at FR’s place. Hard to believe FR didn’t fight.
I am starting to think Rhodens (CRsr GR,FR,HG,DR,HR) were not actually sleeping. More likely they all were made to lie down. Very hard to imagine not one Wag received an injury. That’s partly why I wonder if any Wagners were at the funeral. Were any of them seen around town in the weeks after 4/22

 

[Cool Cats]

I remember in Dewine's presser he mention use of a "new, innovative technology"..
I'm going to guess that technology involved the ability to extract DNA from ammonia soaked blood/tissue.
I'm going to guess they got the DNA results from that in April 2017. After the DNA pointed conclusively to the W's, the interviews and searches started full force. And in June 2017 - laser focus.
Ohio AG: 'Today is the Day' — Arrests made in connection with Rhoden murders
But, we still need to figure out:
Why was there such bad blood between the Ws and the Rs - specifically the 8 they murdered?
Who were they monitoring/hacking from 7/2014 through 5/9/2017 (when they left for AK) and WHY? Why did it cease when they left for AK?
How is BBL involved?
Where was the 4/15/2018 trailer search? AK?, Canada?, Ohio? W's came back to Ohio very soon after that search, why?
Who knew that the silencer was at the bottom of a well on Peterson and who told LE about it on October 30, 2018?

I was looking for the April 15, 2018 trailer search you mention but only came up with this August 17, 2018 search -----I AM LOOKING UP 2018 SEARCHES------

By Jennifer Baker | August 17, 2018 at 8:21 PM EST - Updated November 13 at 2:16 PM
PIKE COUNTY, OH (FOX19) - Two properties were searched this week in connection with the Rhoden family massacre, one in Pike County and another in Scioto County, FOX19 NOW has learned.

The searches took place over several hours Thursday afternoon and evening under heavy law enforcement presence.

Agents with Ohio's Bureau of Criminal Investigation and deputies from Pike and Scioto counties were involved.

A SWAT team also was seen driving down U.S. 23 in Pike County.

The public spotted all the police activity and social media speculation quickly circulated that investigators finally had a break in what is the state's largest-ever homicide investigation.

But authorities said Thursday and again Friday no arrests were made and the investigation continues.

Do you have a link or name of a media outlet that mentions the
April 15, 2018 trailer search? THANKX.

 

[rsd1200]

Is that the house that the Ws sold when they moved to Alaska? If I was the person that bought that property from them and then heard the "laser focus" comment on the news afterwards, I'd be wondering if they left anything behind and would be checking over the property with a fine tooth comb. JMO

They did a huge search there in May, 2017. Looks like they forgot to search the well at that time. ...or someone placed it there AFTER the search.

SWAT team executes raid for evidence related to Pike County massacre

 

[ohioexpat63]

I imagine the defense teams will try and rip apart any "new, innovative technology."

 

[Julia966]

I imagine the defense teams will try and rip apart any "new, innovative technology."

I hoping that just means state of the art bugs.

 

[Deleted member 237253]

That's interesting. It's been theorized that Frankie and Hannah Gilley were both shot simultaneously from opposite sides of their bed. With a 6 month old in between them. Both were shot at close range, particularly Frankie, and were asleep. Neither had time to sit up or move, so assume they were killed at the same instant. Sickening. They must have planned to stage each murder scene from something in the movies. Insane.

Not trying to discredit nor argue with this scenario. In the movie the brothers would have their victims on their knees while reciting that stupid prayer. Each brother holding their gun to the back of the victims heads so that each shot would leave an exit wound through each eye.

If most of the R victims were killed in their sleep how would the W4 be able to pull these kinds of shots off? Again not trying to discredit this theory just trying to make it make sense to me. jmo.

 

[buttonbaby]

“As for the use of ammonia, I'm not sure how much it could help protect the Wagners. Most of the DNA the Wags would contaminate at the crime scenes belonged to the Rhodens. LE would expect to find it there.”

My opinion. Supposition.
We don’t know if any Wagner sustained injuries, maybe blood was spilled, or transferred.
CRsr and GR may have fought and injured one of the Wags. Same at FR’s place. Hard to believe FR didn’t fight.
I am starting to think Rhodens (CRsr GR,FR,HG,DR,HR) were not actually sleeping. More likely they all were made to lie down. Very hard to imagine not one Wag received an injury. That’s partly why I wonder if any Wagners were at the funeral. Were any of them seen around town in the weeks after 4/22

If he had been awake, I'm sure FR would have fought. IIRC, BJM said both he and HHG were lying in the bed with their baby between them.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I can't see how this would work. It would have to be battery operated and recharged or stop working after a few hours, I would think....

Solar powered external camera?? Just a thought...

 

[rsd1200]

Not trying to discredit nor argue with this scenario. In the movie the brothers would have their victims on their knees while reciting that stupid prayer. Each brother holding their gun to the back of the victims heads so that each shot would leave an exit wound through each eye.

If most of the R victims were killed in their sleep how would the W4 be able to pull these kinds of shots off? Again not trying to discredit this theory just trying to make it make sense to me. jmo.

I think that movie will have some sort of part in all this, even if it is just that the prosecution tries to show that the accused, took parts of the movie, and were immature enough, to see it as some sort of weird justification to be, Judge, Jury, and Executioner, of the Rs/HHG.

 

[sunshineray]

That's interesting. It's been theorized that Frankie and Hannah Gilley were both shot simultaneously from opposite sides of their bed. With a 6 month old in between them. Both were shot at close range, particularly Frankie, and were asleep. Neither had time to sit up or move, so assume they were killed at the same instant. Sickening. They must have planned to stage each murder scene from something in the movies. Insane.

Betty, I know you've said that there's a go to member for legal questions here on WS. Has there ever been a medically knowledgeable member who can possibly answer questions? I ask because when the redacted autopsy reports came out, in reading HHG's then researching things it seemed, with my very limited knowledge of medical, that her adrenalin was maybe way up from normal and especially for someone sound asleep. That always made me think she was awake and aware before she was killed. I have no wish to rehash those autopsies, just thought maybe someone who was in the field might have knowledgeable thoughts on it, one way or the other.

 

[Betty P]

Betty, I know you've said that there's a go to member for legal questions here on WS. Has there ever been a medically knowledgeable member who can possibly answer questions? I ask because when the redacted autopsy reports came out, in reading HHG's then researching things it seemed, with my very limited knowledge of medical, that her adrenalin was maybe way up from normal and especially for someone sound asleep. That always made me think she was awake and aware before she was killed. I have no wish to rehash those autopsies, just thought maybe someone who was in the field might have knowledgeable thoughts on it, one way or the other.

Yes, I can't recall her name right now, but will check around. She's a nurse anesthetist who has testified in court about autopsy reports, etc.

 

[rsd1200]

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