OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#42

[Deleted member 237253]

They likely did send LE a lot of false information attempting to incriminate innocent people.

Yup they tried thinking of every possible scenario. The problem is is people aren't as gullible as they'd like to believe. It wasn't hard to see right through their actions.

Kenneth was executed to turn attention toward a drug deal gone wrong. Money scattered all over his body. (allegedly)

"Providing" false information on a business associate implies the W4 knew about the marijuana grow opperation, though that's probably not significant seeing as the stench from a grow op isn't easily masked. Then again how did they know about this associate to begin with?

All the slandering on topix. Trying to turn attention toward the Manleys.

 

[Betty P]

Yup they tried thinking of every possible scenario. The problem is is people aren't as gullible as they'd like to believe. It wasn't hard to see right through their actions.

Kenneth was executed to turn attention toward a drug deal gone wrong. Money scattered all over his body. (allegedly)

"Providing" false information on a business associate implies the W4 knew about the marijuana grow opperation, though that's probably not significant seeing as the stench from a grow op isn't easily masked. Then again how did they know about this associate to begin with?

All the slandering on topix. Trying to turn attention toward the Manleys.

I'm not familiar with any allegations by the W's about a business relationship the R's had with anybody. Haven't seen that in the news media or in released discovery docs, so I'm assuming it didn't happen.

DS told them he found MJ in the shed at KR's home, so LE probably began looking for it at the other crime scenes. If W's offered any tips on MJ, it may have been the one referenced above - the third location they found last. Once LE found MJ, they would have begun reaching out to the local MJ distribution network, which they were probably very familiar with. Probably have informants. W's were muddying the waters in the first year with bogus tips and attempts to frame R & M family members.

 

[IQuestion]

I hoping that just means state of the art bugs.

Julia, Julia, Julia.... not today, pleeeez.
(You know I'm practicing restraint, my friend.)

 

[Julia966]

Julia, Julia, Julia.... not today, pleeeez.

Uh oh. What did I do??

 

[Tiff23fr]

I'm not familiar with any allegations by the W's about a business relationship the R's had with anybody. Haven't seen that in the news media or in released discovery docs, so I'm assuming it didn't happen.

DS told them he found MJ in the shed at KR's home, so LE probably began looking for it at the other crime scenes. If W's offered any tips on MJ, it may have been the one referenced above - the third location they found last. Once LE found MJ, they would have begun reaching out to the local MJ distribution network, which they were probably very familiar with. Probably have informants. W's were muddying the waters in the first year with bogus tips and attempts to frame R & M family members.

CoolCats posted the reference to business associates being provided by W's on the previous page. It was shared by their attorney. The extent and details around that information seems to remain unknown.

I do believe they did the things in this article. These would be easy things for LE to confirm or deny. Handing over ALL laptops, etc. that could be another story.

Here is the article link:

Lawyer: Mike DeWine is harassing family in Rhoden case that moved to Alaska

 

[Betty P]

CoolCats posted the reference to business associates being provided by W's on the previous page. It was shared by their attorney. The extent and details around that information seems to remain unknown.

I do believe they did the things in this article. These would be easy things for LE to confirm or deny. Now handing over ALL laptops, etc. that could be another thing.

Here is the article link:

Lawyer: Mike DeWine is harassing family in Rhoden case that moved to Alaska

First rule about following the Rhoden/Gilley Massacre investigation:

Don't believe anything the Wagners say.

They lied about everything.

For example, had they actually turned over their cell phones, laptops, etc. they would have been arrested within weeks, not years.

JMO, LE struggled with this for a while when they began to get a glimmer of suspicion that the W's were selling them a bunch of lies. At some point, they had to say to themselves: "Ok, throw out everything the W's have told us and restart from what we know from evidence and other tips." DeWine alluded to this in his PC after the arrests - that the investigation got sidetracked at one point. I'll find the quote.

 

[IQuestion]

Uh oh. What did I do??

Oh Julia966, your post just reminded me of something, and I don't now how to PM you. I feel horrible if I made you think you did something wrong.....not my intention!! I love your posts...so just ignore me this morning, okay?
BTW I have a question. Just because John Kearson Clark, Jr. "said" W4's provided DNA; does that mean it is true or is he repeating the information his clients told him?? Or did he go to the lab with them? I thought his comments were really rude towards LE...hopefully he has changed his
"Why? Well, it's either because the authorities are clueless, incompetent or they themselves are involved in a cover-up," said Clark, who has offices in Jackson and Chillicothe. "Take your pick." (Uh, I pick option #3, " because" your clients are liars & killers?? IMO)
Big thanks to Coolcats, (our Kool kat) who posted the article....very, very interesting.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...amily-arrested-42.413412/reply?quote=14770511

 

[Tiff23fr]

First rule about following the Rhoden/Gilley Massacre investigation:

Don't believe anything the Wagners say.

They lied about everything.

For example, had they actually turned over their cell phones, laptops, etc. they would have been arrested within weeks, not years.

JMO, LE struggled with this for a while when they began to get a glimmer of suspicion that the W's were selling them a bunch of lies. At some point, they had to say to themselves: "Ok, throw out everything the W's have told us and restart from what we know from evidence and other tips." DeWine alluded to this in his PC after the arrests - that the investigation got sidetracked at one point. I'll find the quote.

If the statement around providing business associates is untrue, then I would believe LE very quickly followed up with, "so tell me about these business associates you say you mentioned."

It doesn't mean the info they provided was legitimate, but if the question is did they provide some info (true or false) then I feel the answer is yes. -personal opinion

 

[Betty P]

If the statement around providing business associates is untrue, then I would believe LE very quickly followed up with, "so tell me about these business associates you say you mentioned."

It doesn't mean the info they provided was legitimate, but if the question is did they provide some info (true or false) then I feel the answer is yes. -personal opinion

Possible, but what difference would it make? As I said previously, LE was probably already shaking down their network of informants, etc. in the area. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see why this discussion is relevant, unless its to cast aspersions on the evidence LE gathered or to indirectly try to pin suspicion for the murders on someone besides the Wagners. JMO. IOW, the whole discussion has a whiff of "red herring" about it. JMO.

 

[Julia966]

Oh Julia966, your post just reminded me of something, and I don't now how to PM you. I feel horrible if I made you think you did something wrong.....not my intention!! I love your posts...so just ignore me this morning, okay?
BTW I have a question. Just because John Kearson Clark, Jr. "said" W4's provided DNA; does that mean it is true or is he repeating the information his clients told him?? Or did he go to the lab with them? I thought his comments were really rude towards LE...hopefully he has changed his
"Why? Well, it's either because the authorities are clueless, incompetent or they themselves are involved in a cover-up," said Clark, who has offices in Jackson and Chillicothe. "Take your pick." (Uh, I pick option #3, " because" your clients are liars & killers?? IMO)
Big thanks to Coolcats, (our Kool kat) who posted the article....very, very interesting.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...amily-arrested-42.413412/reply?quote=14770511

Oh whew! No problem, IQ

 

[Tiff23fr]

Possible, but what difference would it make? As I said previously, LE was probably already shaking down their network of informants, etc. in the area. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see why this discussion is relevant, unless its to cast aspersions on the evidence LE gathered or to indirectly try to pin suspicion for the murders on someone besides the Wagners. JMO. IOW, the whole discussion has a whiff of "red herring" about it. JMO.

I feel if,
-Your point of view is they provided false info and misled the investigation, then it could be one of those very examples.
-Your point of view is there could be truth in 5-10% of what the W's said then you haven't written everything off as a 100% lie.

For example: Angela said BW and CSR were close. I was thinking Dewine mentioned the families had been close. I will have to see if I can find that reference though.

Again- doesn't mean these business relationships themselves were true.

I actually think the convo started around DNA.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

LE can get a search warrant for DNA. Or they can follow them and get it in a number of ways. Like off a cigarette, discarded cup or numerous other ways.

JMO

Could they have used the DNA submitted for the paternity test?

 

[Puzzles8]

Oh Julia966, your post just reminded me of something, and I don't now how to PM you. I feel horrible if I made you think you did something wrong.....not my intention!! I love your posts...so just ignore me this morning, okay?
BTW I have a question. Just because John Kearson Clark, Jr. "said" W4's provided DNA; does that mean it is true or is he repeating the information his clients told him?? Or did he go to the lab with them? I thought his comments were really rude towards LE...hopefully he has changed his
"Why? Well, it's either because the authorities are clueless, incompetent or they themselves are involved in a cover-up," said Clark, who has offices in Jackson and Chillicothe. "Take your pick." (Uh, I pick option #3, " because" your clients are liars & killers?? IMO)
Big thanks to Coolcats, (our Kool kat) who posted the article....very, very interesting.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...amily-arrested-42.413412/reply?quote=14770511

I think Mr. Clark had been FW's attorney for a while, she probably did quite a bit of business with him over the years. Just as we see with her current attorney Mr. Owen, FW uses her attorney's as her mouthpiece. I can only imagine how foolish and used Mr. Clark must feel now. Notice he is no longer her attorney.
Mr. Clark was played just like everyone else was by the W4 (or W5 should I say), he believed all the lies that were being fed to him. They really had their PR campaign humming along for a while, until the truth started to come out and the wheels feel off.....

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I found an article

Thread 37 page 17 there is an article posted that talks about cigarettes and chemicals one of them is ammonia. It was posted by, pepper34. Could this be the article you are thinking of?

Thank you, JayeJaye!

 

[Tiff23fr]

I feel if,
-Your point of view is they provided false info and misled the investigation, then it could be one of those very examples.
-Your point of view is there could be truth in 5-10% of what the W's said then you haven't written everything off as a 100% lie.

For example: Angela said BW and CSR were close. I was thinking Dewine mentioned the families had been close. I will have to see if I can find that reference though.

Again- doesn't mean these business relationships themselves were true.

I actually think the convo started around DNA.

I have been searching high and low looking for this statement.

"said the arrests seemed to take the case full circle. The volatile relationship between the Rhodens and Wagners wasn't exactly a secret.

"Those two families were tight — until they split," he said.

Rhoden family 'trying to process' arrests of suspect in killings

 

[Betty P]

Hi All,

Good news! Websleuths member K_Z, who is a verified nurse anesthetist has agreed to take a look at the Rhoden AR's and answer some questions for us. It will take her some time to read them, but in the meantime, why don't you all post some of the questions you have about the AR's.

Thanks!

 

[Puzzles8]

Hi All,

Good news! Websleuths member K_Z, who is a verified nurse anesthetist has agreed to take a look at the Rhoden AR's and answer some questions for us. It will take her some time to read them, but in the meantime, why don't you all post some of the questions you have about the AR's.

Thanks!

Betty, thank you so much for thinking of that and setting it up.

 

[FonescaFan]

Hi All,

Good news! Websleuths member K_Z, who is a verified nurse anesthetist has agreed to take a look at the Rhoden AR's and answer some questions for us. It will take her some time to read them, but in the meantime, why don't you all post some of the questions you have about the AR's.

Thanks!

Thanks Betty P! As difficult as this is to ask, I would like to know if anything in the ARs indicate time of death of the victims in relation to the others. In other words, could the order of the murders be determined, as well as the total time frame of the crimes?

 

[Jonas_Klein]

Yup they tried thinking of every possible scenario. The problem is is people aren't as gullible as they'd like to believe. It wasn't hard to see right through their actions.

Kenneth was executed to turn attention toward a drug deal gone wrong. Money scattered all over his body. (allegedly)

"Providing" false information on a business associate implies the W4 knew about the marijuana grow opperation, though that's probably not significant seeing as the stench from a grow op isn't easily masked. Then again how did they know about this associate to begin with?

All the slandering on topix. Trying to turn attention toward the Manleys.

It seems the Ws knew members of KR's surviving family fairly well and kept contact with some of them after. Very strange and very well concealed. They must be shocked now.

I would think the Ws knew KR very well. For this reason, I doubt that his murder is simply tactic or opportunistic. If the Ws murdered KR, it was with a strong personal motivation. IMO, it was a lot more than staging.

Anyone else see it this way?

 

[ohioexpat63]

They offered BCI information on business associates of one of the victims, probably Chris SR.

KENAI, Alaska — The lawyer representing the former Peebles family authorities are focused on in the Rhoden family massacre investigation said his clients have cooperated fully in the probe.

And in return, John Kearson Clark said, the Wagner family are being "harassed while the real killer or killers are still out there."

"Why? Well, it's either because the authorities are clueless, incompetent or they themselves are involved in a cover-up," said Clark, who has offices in Jackson and Chillicothe. "Take your pick."

Clark's scathing comments came a week after Attorney General Mike DeWine and Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader issued a press release asking for information about George "Billy" Wagner, his wife, Angela Wagner, and their sons, George Wagner, 25, and Edward "Jake" Wagner, 24. The release included photos of each of them that appear to have been taken from their Ohio driver's licenses.

Clark said the family has "cooperated 110 percent" and have specifically:

• Provided laptops, phones and DNA willingly to authorities.
• Agreed to repeated interviews with the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation agents in the last year.
• Told authorities they were traveling - and then moving - to Alaska, a place they have contemplated relocating for a decade.
• Offered information to the BCI on business associates of one of the victims.
• "The authorities (using the media) want the public to believe that the Wagners are responsible and have absconded," Clark said. "If that were true, why would the Wagners have come forward on their own and agreed to give whatever limited information they had?"

Author: WKYC Staff
Published: 11:30 AM EDT June 28, 2017

I notice nothing was said about taking a polygraph.