OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#42

[Gracie55]

Great memory, the 13th!! And that's an excellent question as to whether or not the bedfast man is GWII. Very interesting...

I remember that too, and it makes me wonder how much they suspected early on since it seems pretty stern to search a bedfast person.

 

[Gracie55]

It may be difficult since they are all separated. They can't keep track of one another's goings ons, and keep the lies straight. One of the bros, may just throw them all, right under the bus. Then again, AW may fold, to try and save her boys. Hard to tell til they see all the discovery. If it is very damning, they may all cave. Then again, if they see themselves as some sort of vigilante team, they very well could all go down, feeling like martyrs. So many scenarios with this bunch.

Maybe they should be tried each in a different jurisdiction at the same time so they can't adapt their strategy as each meets justice. Just a thought, haven't "thunk" through it completely.

 

[Puzzles8]

August 21, 2017........He was 83.

We regret to say that George Washington Wagner Jr. passed away on 08/21/2017 and was 83 at the time. Before moving to George's last city of Lucasville, OH, George lived in Piketon OH. Sometimes George had gone by various nicknames including Geo W Wagner, Geo Wagner, George Washington Washingtonwagner and George Washington Wagner.

Birthday: 2/17/1934 - 8/21/2017

Thank you!
Had he been ill for a long time or was his death sudden?

 

[Puzzles8]

I still suspect that the John Doe is GWII. No need to be named yet or now since he died before the indictments.

How do you suspect he might be involved?

 

[Puzzles8]

This morning, I remembered one of Len's interviews with the press when he was upset with law enforcement. He said something about them even having taken something from or searched "a bedfast man." I'm not up for finding it right now, so JMO on the exact wording. I'm sure some of you guys will remember it, too. Wonder if it was GWII.

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Edited to say: Okay, it was easy to find, actually. rsd1200's post at the bottom of this page OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #32

MittenScarpetta said: I agree. However we do know how much time lapsed between the murders and the search of the W's that we were are aware of. So, could there be a chance that since BBL was searched that the W's farm was initially searched as well and the search done in May 2017 of the W's properties was perhaps a 2nd search?

rsd1200 said: I think it's possible. I think that second search was caused due to a tip from someone in a cell. They thought it was valid and pulled out all stops. If you'll note, they didn't search the inside of any of the homes. Just the grounds, and those trailers. They had searched what was called a, nursing home, on the elder Ws property (iirc), prior to this. I think that it is one of the search warrants that LM speaks about, where they (LE), in executing a search, took bedding from an old man who was bedfast, and LM seemed to think it was ridiculous. Idk who the bedfast man was though, and he speaks to JW coming to the house, prior, all the time, but won't bring S now (JW said in another article that he'd taken S to visit other family, but, he won't take her down UHR, b/c of her Momma, and she doesn't understand. She would think that she was going there, even if they pass the turnoff to UHR). When my grandchild's father passed, she was about the same age as S. She would ask for him when she visited her paternal grandparents. She didn't understand. It was hard enough, in the manner her father passed, but, in the manner that S's mother passed, and then S's home is even gone, I can kinda see why. The road runs both ways.

Starts around the 2:30 mark about the search warrant/bedding.

http://www.fox19.com/story/35453014...of-arrests-investigators-couldnt-catch-a-cold

This video is no longer available.

 

[Puzzles8]

I remember that too, and it makes me wonder how much they suspected early on since it seems pretty stern to search a bedfast person.

Wasn't Crystal Springs primarily for mentally disabled adults?

 

[Betty P]

Maybe they should be tried each in a different jurisdiction at the same time so they can't adapt their strategy as each meets justice. Just a thought, haven't "thunk" through it completely.

One suggestion I've read in the news is trying all or several of them together, but with separate juries to hear the cases. I think the state and county (understandably) are looking to save money and time, if possible. This process has been done in the past, most notably with the Menendez brothers, who killed their parents out in LA many years ago.

Also, if you're looking for info about LM's quote in the news about LE searching the bed of a sick man (bedfast), do a search of these Pike County murders threads here at WS. It's been linked and discussed quite a few times.

 

[Gracie55]

Wasn't Crystal Springs primarily for mentally disabled adults?

Like Alzheimer's maybe? Might make sense. Maybe she could save or make money somehow by placing him there for care or therapy?

 

[Puzzles8]

One thing that has always caught my attention was Dewine's wording in one of his pressers.
Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said her father’s family was obsessed with custody and “control of the children," as he announced the multicount indictment in the Rhoden family massacre.
Children - as in plural. Was he referring to George 4th's son? Was he referring to Kylie? How does that figure into the murder motive?

 

[The 13th]

How do you suspect he might be involved?

Gosh, I have no idea. I'd think something along the lines of Fredericka's level of involvement if any. I don't know anything about him, I just think it's a decent possibility. I can't imagine that if he were of sound mind and able that he wouldn't be in on things alongside Fredericka, or at least support it.

 

[Puzzles8]

Gosh, I have no idea. I'd think something along the lines of Fredericka's level of involvement if any. I don't know anything about him, I just think it's a decent possibility. I can't imagine that if he were of sound mind and able that he wouldn't be in on things alongside Fredericka, or at least support it.

Do you know who "wore the pants" in that family?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Do you know who "wore the pants" in that family?

Look how odd, the two George’s look a like and Jake trying to look like Angela even how they ware their hair.

 

[Cool Cats]

Thank you!
Had he been ill for a long time or was his death sudden?

I don't know the cause of death. That would explain alot. We only know it was an illness and that the Wag 4 were able to get back in time to see him. (From Alaska)

A local business owner sold to them regularly during the apx. 1/2 year leading up to their arrests so we know they were around.

 

[Loomis124]

I haven't read the John Doe indictment, but I read the article. So there was likely a 5th killer who has already flipped?

You misunderstood...there is no John Doe indictment per se. He is mentioned in indictments of others, but the indictment is not against him.

 

[Loomis124]

Still trying to find the video mentioned that would be on the 11:00 pm news...
Pike County murders: Court documents reveal new details

The video is on this link.

 

[Loomis124]

Like Alzheimer's maybe? Might make sense. Maybe she could save or make money somehow by placing him there for care or therapy?

IMO, from everything I have gathered, GW was cared for at his home and died at his home. He is buried there, too.

 

[Loomis124]

Just the planning is enough for a murder conviction, doesn't matter if GW4 actually stayed home that night and didn't "execute" the murders. (Hit men sometimes get lesser sentences than the person who planned the murder.)

Actually, I highly doubt that Angela was at the crime scenes that night. I don't think she literally pulled the trigger but that is neither here nor there because in the eyes of the law, conspiracy to commit murders that did take place, is the same as pulling the trigger.

And GW4 was the most vocal of all of them about wanting revenge on Sheriff Reader, Mike DeWine, Special Agent Shider, and others.

This information might come up in court through a witness or through a wiretap recording that would have transcripts for the jury while it's played in court.

If he wants to take revenge for the family, possibly murder, then why not help kill the 8 for the family?

This is a very enmeshed family, not hard to prove.

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I believe you are correct!

 

[Loomis124]

One thing that has always caught my attention was Dewine's wording in one of his pressers.
Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said her father’s family was obsessed with custody and “control of the children," as he announced the multicount indictment in the Rhoden family massacre.
Children - as in plural. Was he referring to George 4th's son? Was he referring to Kylie? How does that figure into the murder motive?

Yes, IMO, referring to Jake's daughter and GW4'S son.

 

[kaykay543]

Yes, IMO, referring to Jake's daughter and GW4'S son.

Imo he was referring to JW thinking the newborn baby was his too.

 

[Loomis124]

I remember that too, and it makes me wonder how much they suspected early on since it seems pretty stern to search a bedfast person.

IMO, this reference LM made was not to GW (or else he certainly would not have said it). FW said they searched her businesses. I believe

Imo he was referring to JW thinking the newborn baby was his too.

I don't wish to argue, but how could DeWine have been referring to a child the Wagners never had custody or control of (Kylie). DeWine was referring to SW and BW, clearly. JMO. Betty P? Others please post your opinion. TY