OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#44

[rsd1200]

I grew up in Kentucky Appalachia. My mother (who was not pregnant) married at 14 with parental permission. It was allowed then with parental consent.

My parents would have been as angry as a hornet if I was married and/or pregnant at that age.

She wanted her children to achieve (have) more than her and my dad or be better.

She would be furious at a 20 year old man tho. No one in Appalachia wants their daughter to be with a 20 year old man.

Appalachia doesn't have lower expectations than any other part of this country.

It is illegal and immoral and insulting to the victims to think otherwise.

I was born in Appalachia,, Ky., live within a rock's throw of where I was born, dated a man over 10 years older than myself, when allowed to date at age 16 (much to my parent's chagrin), and we married as soon as I was out of high school. I did not "have to", either. The marriage lasted longer than most (almost 15 years). I have worked all throughout Kentucky's Appalachian Region, as well as other parts, my work was assisting in alleviating the poverty that exists here.

Apparently everyone has lower expectations of Appalachia than we do ourselves, we are the last culture that is okay to forget about political correctness when it comes to us.

JW was not 20 when he and HMR started seeing each other and it was zero secret. HMR was 13, and JW was 17. It was the responsibility of both of the kids' parents to have told them; Absolutely NOT!!

Not to offend, and I don't know what part you were from, but it goes on all the time. In your state, and mine. It's insulting that the relationships in my family, people who had more years between them, than the fewer than 4 1/2 between Jw&HMR, that were refered to as "illegal and immoral and insulting". Especially since DR and CR1 married at 16 & 19, respectively...

Should children be allowed to get married? In Ohio, thousands do

Between 2000 and 2015, 4,443 girls age 17 or younger were married in Ohio between 2000 and 2015, including 59 who were 15 or younger. The number of teen marriages has been in decline in recent years, as has the number of all marriages.

https://rewire.news/article/2012/03...t-laws-send-young-men-to-jail-consensual-sex/

Age of consent laws are meant to protect young people from exploitation by adults but in too many instances they send 18-year-old boys to jail for having consensual sex with their 15-year-old girlfriends. The boys then end up on sex offender registries for life along side rapists and pedophiles. Should we really be legislating teen sex?

 

[Cool Cats]

For 3 years on social media posters have been talking about Hanna Rhoden's age when she had the relationship with JW.

Just a reminder that if Hanna were here today she would be getting ready to celebrate her 22nd birthday next month. Like most of us, if she'd been given the chance to do so, she would likely look back at her teenage self and wish she could have done some things differently. However, I doubt very much she would have regretted having Sophia and Kylie while in her teens.

Point is, the teenage years are just a small portion of time in a person's lifetime, the time to mature but also to do things you would never do at an older more mature age. Such a shame that we only remember Hanna in that small space of time. Such a shame she didn't get to go forth into adulthood and create an adult life for herself away from the Wagners and independent of her family.

There must be other ways of remembering her, and her hopes and dreams, besides the fact that she dated an older-obsessive-controlling-loser in her early teens.

 

[sunshineray]

Jmo but if the vests were bought after the murders and from eBay instead of Amazon the charges will probably be dropped because that could very well be a case of a mistake and not intentional lying Jmo. The state wasn’t sure when the were brought or they knew it was not possible for them to have been used that night and that is why they were not included in the Wagner’s indictments. Jmo

I don't think the state would have brought the GJ perjury charges about vests purchased after the murders, that makes no sense. She was asked about them at the GJ because the state already knew they were purchased before the murders. IMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

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[RAISINISBACK]

I am NOT going to take sides on the issue of Hanna and Jake but will say this.. Dana, Chris, and MOST of the family accepted JW. She started seeing him in I believe August of 2010 when she was 13 years old. IMO only, it should have been up to Dana and Chris to put a stop to it and I am NOT bashing anyone, just stating the truth. I also blame AW and BW for their part in allowing it. JMO.

Can we all please move past this now as it is water under the bridge, and one day the little one may read our words.

How about blaming the man who couldn't keep his pants up, Jake Wagner, for allowing it to happen. He was the adult in the situation and should have walked away. The parents had nothing to do with it and was not present during the act. It is all on Jake.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Jake Wagner and his family murdered the Rhoden family and Hannah Gilley in cold blood and left two infants and a toddler alone with their dead bodies for several hours, putting the infants at risk, too. The Wagner family brutally stole the lives of those children's parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles.

I can't imagine any of the surviving Rhoden or Gilley family members have any kind thoughts or feelings towards Jake Wagner or his family today. I can't imagine they would be offended by anything bad I have to say about the suspected killer Jake Wagner and his family - Billy Wagner, Angela Wagner, GW Wagner IV, Fredericka Wagner and Rita Jo Newcomb.

I have believed the Wagners were guilty from way back and a sneering old lady lying through her teeth did not change my mind. I think the good people of Pike County will see right through her.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

For 3 years on social media posters have been talking about Hanna Rhoden's age when she had the relationship with JW.

Just a reminder that if Hanna were here today she would be getting ready to celebrate her 22nd birthday next month. Like most of us, if she'd been given the chance to do so, she would likely look back at her teenage self and wish she could have done some things differently. However, I doubt very much she would have regretted having Sophia and Kylie while in her teens.

Point is, the teenage years are just a small portion of time in a person's lifetime, the time to mature but also to do things you would never do at an older age. Such a shame that we only remember Hanna in that small space of time. Such a shame she didn't get to go forth into adulthood and create an adult life for herself away from the Wagners and independent of her family.

There must be other ways of remembering her, and her hopes and dreams, besides the fact that she dated an older-obsessive-controlling-loser in her early teens.

Agree, I'm sure that Hanna regretted her relationship with JW, becoming tied down at such an early age. I can't imagine how anyone would think a foolish teenage mistake justified her murder and that of her family. That just makes no sense to me. Why would it be ok to kill a young woman and her family just because she made the mistake of getting involved with Jake Wagner when she was still young?

Can someone explain? I'm not understanding why a couple folks here think Hanna's young relationship somehow justified the murders of 8 people at the hands of Jake Wagner and his family.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I understand. I can't argue with that. If justice is made by portraying JW as sex predator, then so be it. I have nothing to add.

He is a pedophile. There is no getting around that.

Let's do a little experiment. If a 13 year old child walked up to you and tried to have sex with you, what would you do? Walk away? Or drop trousers? In that answer lies the truth of whether Jake is a pedophile since most adults man or woman would say they would walk away.

Man or woman, if a 20 year old has sex with a 13 year old, it is a crime and the 20 year old is a pedophile.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

I have believed the Wagners were guilty from way back and a sneering old lady lying through her teeth did not change my mind. I think the good people of Pike County will see right through her.

JMO

I'm still hoping they move the trials to another county. JMO, Fred Wagner still has a lot of power over people in that area. I'm sure her tenants, employees, church members, etc. would all try to sway the public to let the Wags out of jail.

 

[MimosaMornings]

What is that covering the back of her head?
Some sort of fancy hair net?

 

[Betty P]

I am NOT going to take sides on the issue of Hanna and Jake but will say this.. Dana, Chris, and MOST of the family accepted JW. She started seeing him in I believe August of 2010 when she was 13 years old. IMO only, it should have been up to Dana and Chris to put a stop to it and I am NOT bashing anyone, just stating the truth. I also blame AW and BW for their part in allowing it. JMO.

Can we all please move past this now as it is water under the bridge, and one day the little one may read our words.

Just because Jake Wagner was able to fool Dana & Chris into "accepting" him for a while that justifies him killing all of them when Hanna broke up with him? If you don't think that's true, what's the point of bringing up the fact that Jake Wagner lied and weaseled his way temporarily into the Rhoden family?

 

[Betty P]

What is that covering the back of her head?
Some sort of fancy hair net?

It's a "snood". It's part of her costume, along with the black dresses, to make her look like a quasi-religious person. Like a nun or something. Yeah, she's bizarre.

 

[rsd1200]

How about blaming the man who couldn't keep his pants up, Jake Wagner, for allowing it to happen. He was the adult in the situation and should have walked away. The parents had nothing to do with it and was not present during the act. It is all on Jake.

JMO

I put it at the feet of the parent's, to say, NO! We only have proof of one instance, six weeks before her bday. Why folks keep bringing it up, I don't know b/c her parents must have felt she was mature enough, and they accepted him as their own.

 

[Tena]

Can someone tell me was there a deadline for the prosecution to file a response to the gag order? I thought a deadline date was only given for the discovery. I would have thought that this request would have been taken up at the next hearing date, for arguments sake. Possibly the State's response hasn't been filed yet. It's really concerning me how the W's defy the Court, doing things before the Court has ruled on appropriate motions. Hopefully, the Judge will step in on this and slaps another charge. JMO

 

[rsd1200]

He is a pedophile. There is no getting around that.

Let's do a little experiment. If a 13 year old child walked up to you and tried to have sex with you, what would you do? Walk away? Or drop trousers? In that answer lies the truth of whether Jake is a pedophile since most adults man or woman would say they would walk away.

Man or woman, if a 20 year old has sex with a 13 year old, it is a crime and the 20 year old is a pedophile.

JMO

Pedophilia is an ongoing sexual attraction to prepubescent children (under the age of 12).

 

[rsd1200]

Agree, I'm sure that Hanna regretted her relationship with JW, becoming tied down at such an early age. I can't imagine how anyone would think a foolish teenage mistake justified her murder and that of her family. That just makes no sense to me. Why would it be ok to kill a young woman and her family just because she made the mistake of getting involved with Jake Wagner when she was still young?

Can someone explain? I'm not understanding why a couple folks here think Hanna's young relationship somehow justified the murders of 8 people at the hands of Jake Wagner and his family.

You point out where anyone said that BettyP.

 

[rsd1200]

What is that covering the back of her head?
Some sort of fancy hair net?

It's worn by a lot of elderly women with long hair, in certain religions, (I've seen them in the Pentecostal church I used to attend), and also by folks who are in the horse industry. It keeps your hair out of your face and untangled. My kin who used to show, wore them in equitation competitions.

 

[sunshineray]

Wow. Why is the Plain Dealer running this story? They've not paid much attention to the story at all, but this is a signature "PR fluffing" story they're doing here. Have seen these before. It's an open secret that the Plain Dealer is funded and run by very wealthy, conservative business leaders. Why are they trying to get the Wagners off the hook for massacring the Rhodens? A very, very shady and crooked newspaper, famous for covering up a LOT of scandals of Ohio's rich and powerful.

Who does FW know that has the ability and money to plant such a big, fawning PR piece? Confirms what I suspected all along - FW has friends in high places that nearly got this investigation buried.

@JohnCaniglia, why are you writing this story? Why are you leading this PR campaign for the mother of a group of crazy, backwoods murderers who brutally executed a family of 8 people just to gain custody of a child? Did the Rhodens know something? Were they a threat to some powerful friends of the Wagners? Or are you simply the only Ohio daily newspaper willing to sell out and run this propaganda?


All JMO.

ETA: Here she is pitching the "best friends" meme that we keep seeing pop up here at WS. What a load of BS. Why does she think that argument will work in getting her disgusting offspring out of jail?

This is all JMO. I actually think the the whole thing was half-heartedly written, the video clips were harsh and very unflattering to her "nature", probably not what was intended at all. A few of the quotes made it known FW was in total control or in the case of one video, when stumped for words, repeat your lawyer's. Nobody in her community will talk to her? The grocery won't talk her checks? If what you say about this paper is true, it really all makes sense but a cuddly grandma image she/they were going for flopped. JMO

 

[rsd1200]

This is all JMO. I actually think the the whole thing was half-heartedly written, the video clips were harsh and very unflattering to her "nature", probably not what was intended at all. A few of the quotes made it known FW was in total control or in the case of one video, when stumped for words, repeat your lawyer's. Nobody in her community will talk to her? The grocery won't talk her checks? If what you say about this paper is true, it really all makes sense but a cuddly grandma image she/they were going for flopped. JMO

BBM
Probably b/c they are losing 12 reporters, photographers and editors within the next two weeks. I never really thought of the cuddly granny part, but, I've never seen her as the cuddly granny type. I'll have to watch again.

 

[Betty P]

This is all JMO. I actually think the the whole thing was half-heartedly written, the video clips were harsh and very unflattering to her "nature", probably not what was intended at all. A few of the quotes made it known FW was in total control or in the case of one video, when stumped for words, repeat your lawyer's. Nobody in her community will talk to her? The grocery won't talk her checks? If what you say about this paper is true, it really all makes sense but a cuddly grandma image she/they were going for flopped. JMO

Yes, I think they thought she would present a much warmer, grandmotherly image, but she's a tough old woman who is very hostile and untrustworthy. The Plain Dealer hadn't covered the Rhoden murders much at all before this, only a few brief news stories here and there.

JMO, they didn't have a clue about what they were getting into, but apparently someone convinced them to do it. I hope the trials don't end up in Cuyahoga County. The PD will bend over backwards to help the Ws win acquittal. Why? IDK, but they've done worse things.

JMO