OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#45

[Deleted member 237253]

If what Fred is saying I am willing to admit I have been wrong about her involvement. Maybe she really didn't know Billy and Company was responsible. And if Billy really was best friends with Chris then yes she may have been afraid for his safety. But I have a couple of problems with that.

First if Fred did not know Billy killed them, then she sure as heck knew exactly what Billy and Chris were into to get Chris killed and figured they would come after Billy next. That shows she either was involved in whatever got Chris killed to the extent she knew they were into illegal stuff, or she knew they were.

If Fred did know Billy was responsible then she could have bought the vests to make it look like she was afraid for his safety. Kind of like "We need to make it look like we are all afraid for Billy because he was best friends with Chris and to sell it to LE that Billy is innocent and scared for his life we need to buy these vests."

Biggest question is why not buy vests for Jake? He was deeply involved with the family also. I am not buying Fred's story for that very reason.

If Billy and Chris were into something so bad that when they crossed their associates those associates came back and killed Chris's entire family, why was Fred not afraid for Billy's entire family and running out to buy vests for Billy, Angie, George and Jake?

Another question is if Billy and Chris was in this enterprise together why kill Frankie, Hannah, Dana, Hanna and Chris JR? I can buy that Gary and Kenny may have been involved with Billy and Chris, but why the others? It was overkill in more ways than one so it was very, very personal. Not personal like a business associate you are involved in an illegal enterprise with, but personal like a best friend or ex boyfriend. Keep in mind that people who are involved in illegal enterprises would not draw attention to themselves and their business by committing the biggest murder investigation in Ohio history.

So yes Billy and Company killed the R's. There is no doubt in my mind of that. There is no doubt in my mind that Rita knew. She forged the documents for them. There is a small doubt in my mind now that Fred knew. But like OP said, let's see how it shakes out when AC gets done with Fred. Because if what Fred is saying is true then why is AC stubbornly sticking to her guns and not dropping the charges? There is more to this story that we are hearing. And if AC sticks to her guns and takes Fred to trial then yes, I think Fred knew and was involved and even though AC cannot prove she pulled the trigger she is not going to let her get off scot free either.

JMO

Reason I dont buy the bpv story is the killers mo was overkill shots to the hear, how are bpv's gonna protect against that?

 

[Betty P]

Holly Zacharia says FW is now in court

Twitter. It's what's happening.

 

[Betty P]

Reason I dont buy the bpv story is the killers mo was overkill shots to the hear, how are bpv's gonna protect against that?

Plus, they already knew who the killers were. They did it themselves. Wouldn't need a BPV unless they were afraid a fellow family member would turn on them.

 

[Betty P]

Hello! Anyone here? Anyone see any video yet? TIA

 

[KentuckyMama]

Maybe they just don't have time to sit and stare at the door for an hour. Seems to be a lot going on today. They may start the feed as the people come in.

On facebook, I just put in search, NBC4 columbus.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Hello! Anyone here? Anyone see any video yet? TIA

Implies it will be live via the link in this article. I haven't seen it though.
Grandmother charged in Pike County massacre probe asking judge to toss charges

 

[Betty P]

Implies it will be live via the link in this article. I haven't seen it though.
Grandmother charged in Pike County massacre probe asking judge to toss charges

Thanks! Hopefully they will. That's 4 news media tabs I have open now, haha!

 

[OhioBlues]

Thanks! Hopefully they will. That's 4 news media tabs I have open now, haha!

The Judge made them turn off the camera.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

The Judge made them turn off the camera.

Why?

 

[Betty P]

Looks like Channel 6 us ready to come on. Its on!

Don't have complete discovery at this time. Attorneys will meet to discuss discovery. State has provided 8 pages of transcript of GJ testimony. 86 more pages, court will review to see if they are discoverable before turned over to defense.

By tomorrow state will be able to file GJ transcript under seal.

House arrest - defense filed justification to let her go to church and crystal springs. also wants to travel around county.

More complaining that state didn't provide evidence FR helped cover up murder, etc. Asking for her to be let off house arrest?

Oppose modification of bond. FW can administer nursing home by phone, has someone else running it. She hasn't been there in a very long time. Didn't go there when her husband was sick. Church is pretty much shut down, other members go to different churches now. Temp pastor sometimes gives afternoon services, but its not regular.

Court is allowing her to travel to Crystal Springs home. Will also permit her to go to Lucasville Mission Church, if church services are being held there. She will be monitored by the court.

AC: P.O. Box is the same as FW's P.O. Box. They share the same one.

Motion to Dismiss:

Defense arguing: Saying statement made to GJ has to be material. Purchased 15 days after homicide. Has to be about how the homicide was committed. He says since the BPV was purchased after murders, it's not relevant/material.

Contesting perjury charge saying "I guess I did/I thought I did" isn't a false statement. She misremembered. Atty says FR buys a lot of stuff online, took a long time to sort through it. Yee.

JMO, the perjury isn't about what she said that day, it's about how she refused to produce a receipt for nearly 2 yrs.

 

[KentuckyMama]

The Judge made them turn off the camera.

Are you in the courtroom? Any updates or reasons why?

 

[OhioBlues]

Looks like Channel 6 us ready to come on

Do you have a link?

 

[OhioBlues]

Are you in the courtroom? Any updates or reasons why?

The feed said that but someone on Twitter said they are starting now.

 

[iulia]

Live on

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2214190308831455

but the sound is off

Sounds works here

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2214190308831455

 

[FrescaandSouthernComfort]

Looks like Channel 6 us ready to come on. Its on!

If you view WSYX in Columbus, they are showing RN in courtroom. Len , Judy, Kathy are there along
with Geneva, Wilma, Michelle & Tony. They are not showing the defendant's side of gallery.

"Do not pay any attention to the mobile alert, just click anyway."

 

[Tiff23fr]

Church shut down per Pastor...
Can go if services are held.
Will she get a new Pastor?

 

[buttonbaby]

IMHOO, Fred was/is looking very nervous... she kept trying to put her hands in a "prayerful" position, but she was gripping them tightly and wringing so hard, it looked like she was going to pull them apart.

 

[Ann99]

I hope the Judge has reprimanded Owens and FW for their antics.

 

[Howcanppldosuch]

I can not believe the RN Pretoria’s camera man showed and zoomed in on the attn talking to the client.

This just cost everyone, I bet that ends the in court camaer

 

[Tiff23fr]

He said a homocide that occurred in 2015. His dramatics seem over the top. Maybe it’s just his argument style, but I’m not a fan.