OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#45

[sunshineray]

I mentioned those plates could have been replaced with ones made later. AC made it sound like that may have happened and the plates were sent to the church PO Box...

I agree, she certainly did make it sound like that was what happened.

 

[Myland]

After reading the discovery of Rita I believe the forgery will stick, but I also think they may have been done after the murders but dated for prior to murders. Jmo

 

[Betty P]

I mentioned those plates could have been replaced with ones made later. AC made it sound like that may have happened and the plates were sent to the church PO Box...

Yes, some of you were talking about that the other day. Good theory! You may be right! Perhaps that's another example of Owens half-truths - saying the vest were manufactured later, when it was actually the plates.

He's throwing a few different excuses at the wall to see what sticks. First he argued the evidence should be thrown out because the BPV's were made after the murders. Then he said the evidence should be thrown out because it isn't related to the murders. Who was it here who earlier referred to it as "the dog ate my homework" argument?

Guy uses some very convoluted logic in his arguments, but the judge didn't buy it. IANAL, but it all seems very unprofessional.

 

[Tiff23fr]

After reading the discovery of Rita I believe the forgery will stick, but I also think they may have been done after the murders but dated for prior to murders. Jmo

Is it out? Can you share/link? Thanks

 

[Ann99]

Theory only. My opinion.
Replacing a plate with a manufacture date after the murders may have been an attempt by FW to confuse the issue, just as Owen is using it now - muddying the waters...
I don’t know enough about the vests to make any suggestions other than-
If a plate was replaced, is it possible, during all the searches, that another “plate” (The original plate) was located on Wagner property or in a Wagners possession. If this is a replacement plate, there must be an original plate somewhere. Even if it is at the bottom of the Ohio or Scioto River. Original plate that would have a much earlier manufacture date. Could Prosecutor have that plate in their possession? Could the vest in question have some other characteristic that dates the manufacture of the vest at a specific earlier time.
Just wondering...seems Prosecutor is giving FW/ Owen lots of rope on this issue.

 

[Cool Cats]

Fredericka Wagner and Rita Newcomb consult with their attorneys, prior to their pretrial hearings Thursday afternoon in Pike County Common Pleas Court.


The first trial dates have been set in the case involving the murder of eight member of the Rhoden family in 2016.

Rita Newcomb of South Webster, and Fredericka Wagner appeared in Pike County Common Please Court Thursday morning and afternoon for a pre trial conferences.

Pike County Common Pleas Court Judge Randy Deering spoke with defense attorney Frank Gerlach, representing Newcomb, asking him if the bill of particulars, as well as status of discovery, had been satisfied. Gerlach said he has requested to see the complete transcript of his client’s testimony before a Pike County Grand Jury. Newcomb faces, among other charges, perjury for allegedly not telling the complete truth during her testimony to the grand jury in relation to what she knew about her family members’ involvement in what was described as execution style murders of the Rhoden family.

Angela Canepa, special prosecutor from the Ohio Attorney General’s office told the court she was prepared to release 54 of the 93 pages of transcript to Gerlach before he left the courtroom Thursday. Deering instructed both defense and prosecution, the court will review the remaining pages to see if they can be unsealed as well.

Deering also asked prosecution if a motion for a gag order had been filed in the case. At this time, according to Canepa, there has not been a motion filed. The other five defendants in the case are currently under a gag order issued by Deering earlier.

Deering set what would appear to be a final pre trial hearing for Newcomb for June 14 at 1:30 pm. He also set July 8, 9 and 10 for a jury trial and said July 11, if necessary.
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For Wagner, her final pretrial has been set for June 26 at 1:30 pm. A jury trial has been schedule July 29 and is scheduled for five days.
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Before Deering set the dates for Wagner, her attorney, James Owen, argued for her case to be dismissed, as well as for her house arrest to be removed.

Owen argued that the evidence about Wagner purchasing bullet proof vests linking her to the April 21, 2016 murders was incorrect in that she ordered the vests on Ebay 15 days after the murders took place. He said this does not constitute perjury or obstruction of justice.

“It’s impossible. How in the world can Fredericka be guilty of perjury,” Owen said. He went on to say his defendant telling the grand jury “she guessed” and “I thought I did” does not warrant a false statement. “

Owen asked for the dismissal of the case saying his client had been charged with a crime that was not committed. “We want the court to take a fresh look,” Owen said. “It’s a matter of law.”

Canepa responded by saying the documentation that was given to the court showing when and how the bullet proof vests were purchased was not authentic."We need to look at all four corners of the indictment," Canepa said. She said there is much more to the case than Owen was putting before the court and asked Deering to over rule the motion.

Deering did in fact over rule the motion, but in a motion from defense to allow Wagner to attend church services at Crystal Springs Church, Deering allowed the motion to stand with a clarification the court needs to know the dates and time the services are to be held. He also allowed Wagner to attend Lucasville Mission Church as well as long has she notifies authorities prior to attending.

In that same motion, defense was asking for a complete removal of the ankle bracelet to allow Wagner free travel in Pike and Scioto counties. Deering denied this part of the motion.

Prosecution and defense are also working on particulars of a gag order as well. Owen spoke saying he would no longer make comments to the press outside courtroom proceedings.
Trial dates set for Newcomb, Wagner - Portsmouth Daily Times

 

[OhioBlues]

FW's lawyer was looking at the R family during half of his remarks. It seemed disrespectful to me. JMO.

I keep waiting for WKRC to post an article and hopefully they include RN discovery (plus the Scribd account).

 

[Puzzles8]

Owens says the manuf. date is on the vest.
AC says need evidence, I think.

Betty JMO: I thought she said that is factually incorrect

Also per Canepa the BPV’s or Ceramic Plates were sent to the PO Box shared with the church

That must be one rough church.
Worked out well though, the plates might now be a deductible expense for the church.........
Do you think they might have looked over the "church's" Amazon account??

 

[Puzzles8]

AC said it was factually inaccurate re the date on the vests.

Did anyone notice that FW made sure to make eye contact with AC after she stood up then FW gave AC a look and shook her head? Yikes.

FW also tried to made glaring eye contact with JD.

 

[Betty P]

FW also tried to made glaring eye contact with JD.

JD? The judge?

I've got to watch the video. I was busy transcribing and only listening to the audio.

 

[Puzzles8]

JD? The judge?

Yes

 

[rsd1200]

I agree, but my first question when the convo came up about GW3 having some mental deficiency, if that were the case I don't see him having the potential to attract and marry someone who was significantly more intelligent.

JMO, GW3 is of at least average intelligence, probably higher. His lack of education and laid back lifestyle are probably more due to his personality and upbringing (spoiled youngest child of the family) than anything else.

He was smart enough to acquire and fence stolen property (per previous arrest records).
Pike County: Father accused in Rhoden massacre faced prior felonies

He's proficient at hunting wild game, he's been able to hold down jobs in the past. I don't see CR1 being involved with him as a business "partner" (I'm still not sure that happened) if he were not up to holding up his end of the workload and management.

I don't see any evidence that he's not of normal intelligence.

I don't recall anyone saying he was mentally deficient. I mentioned that I think he may have had a TBI, or may possibly have a personality disorder, but neither of those are equal to having low intelligence, or being "mentally deficient".

Mental Deficiency: Legal Definition of mental deficiency. Failure in intellectual development that is marked by low intelligence or mental retardation and that may result in an inability to function competently in society. More from Merriam-Webster on mental deficiency.
Definition of MENTAL DEFICIENCY

ODD for example;
It appears that some children will outgrow some aspects of ODD. For example, adefiant teen may grow into a more easy-to-get-along-with adult. However, other behaviors may be life long. An aggressive two year old will very likely be an aggressive adult.

https://www.additudemag.com/oppositional-defiant-disorder-odd-and-adhd/

TBI - http://www.traumaticbraininjury.com/understanding-tbi/what-is-traumatic-brain-injury/

 

[Tiff23fr]

So Rita initially gets 54 of her 93 pages of testimony and Fredericka gets 8 of her 94. That is a pretty big difference. Makes me think Rita's is more about the documents and Fredericka's is much more broad.

 

[Ann99]

“...Documentation...was not authentic...”

One more charge of falsification of documents in my opinion.
Why stop at one or two falsifications pertaining to child custody.

My opinion- Every one of those many past legal disputes FW was in as a landlord or as a seller of property, land contract, every one should be reviewed. She may have been falsifying for a long long time. My opinion, theory.

Yes by all logic, the Amazon account, charge accounts, deliveries to the Church should be checked and double checked.

 

[Betty P]

Yes

Ohhkaaay. This confirms a lot, JMO. FW knows all these people very well, has known them for years. She's gone to court many times to evict poor people from her properties as a landlord or in her "land contract" schemes. She's worked regularly with the sheriff (not sure how much with Reader because he was rather new) she's worked with Junk, with the attorneys and with Judge Deering. FW has been one of the Boss Hoggs in this local judicial system and she's angry that she's not being treated with the usual deference.

For years, FW considered the judges and prosecutors to be people who worked for her. Maybe they viewed the relationship the same way. It's pretty shocking that her own defense attorney would make reference to this in his arguments today.

 

[Tiff23fr]

“...Documentation...was not authentic...”

One more charge of falsification of documents in my opinion.
Why stop at one or two falsifications pertaining to child custody.

My opinion- Every one of those many past legal disputes FW was in as a landlord or as a seller of property, land contract, every one should be reviewed. She may have been falsifying for a long long time. My opinion, theory.

Yes by all logic, the Amazon account, charge accounts, deliveries to the Church should be checked and double checked.

All the way back to:
According to the original incorporation paperwork, filed in 1976, R. Edward Tepe, Debra S. Harrell and L.G. Behymer started Flying W Farms Inc. with $500. They appointed Fredericka Wagner as its agent on April 15, 1976. Those documents were signed in Cincinnati.

Fredericka Wagner: A look at her property and assets

 

[Betty P]

“...Documentation...was not authentic...”

One more charge of falsification of documents in my opinion.
Why stop at one or two falsifications pertaining to child custody.

My opinion- Every one of those many past legal disputes FW was in as a landlord or as a seller of property, land contract, every one should be reviewed. She may have been falsifying for a long long time. My opinion, theory.

Yes by all logic, the Amazon account, charge accounts, deliveries to the Church should be checked and double checked.

Since she mentioned it, I assume Angela Canepa has already done this. Oh, to be a fly on the wall in her office.

 

[Betty P]

All the way back to:
According to the original incorporation paperwork, filed in 1976, R. Edward Tepe, Debra S. Harrell and L.G. Behymer started Flying W Farms Inc. with $500. They appointed Fredericka Wagner as its agent on April 15, 1976. Those documents were signed in Cincinnati.

Fredericka Wagner: A look at her property and assets

If she was falsifying paperwork (not sure she was at this point) who were the attorneys, judges, clerks, etc. who helped process that paperwork?

 

[Tiff23fr]

If she was falsifying paperwork (not sure she was at this point) who were the attorneys, judges, clerks, etc. who helped process that paperwork?

R Edward Tepe and associates

Edit:
To clarify, he was part of the Law firm on file that submitted the docs to the secretary of States office

 

[Betty P]

R Edward Tepe and associates

Just to clarify, I'm not accusing any of them of anything illegal or unethical. Most likely, the people she worked with would not have known if any docs were falsified or if deals were shady. We don't know that. But we do know she has a long history of doing business in that area and she's really upset now that the system that helped her is holding her accountable. She's lost her mojo, so to speak.