OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#45

[rsd1200]

Doesn't the indictment say they were forged on or around April 6?

Fortunately, we should learn these answers in July during RN trial.

If they were forged after, they could have backdated them, if they needed something with HMR's sig.

 

[Myland]

Jmo I don’t see any way for Rita to get out of the forgery charge if the state has the documents. It doesn’t matter the excuse it is still forgery. Jmo unless Angela used her stamp and Rita can prove it jmo

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I was able to choose which recpt was fraudulent .

On another note; My life; Receipt? What's that? Where did I put that? Tears house apart in frantic, futile, search. Hence, my reason for being as electronic as possible.

I bought a fairly pricey gaming laptop. All it says on my Pay account is how much I paid, what the item was, and since I bought it from Ebay, it says I bought it from, for example; Paul at PaulIsPurple (seriously), and a transaction I.D. I'd never done business with the dude before, just took a shot on the laptop b/c it was awesome (it was worth the shot!). My bank would show the same amount pulled from my account at that time, so there's that to back it up, I'd guess.

Now, if it were my better half, they would still have the original box in which it was shipped, with all the stickers intact, the shipping recpt., and would probably know pretty close to what the cost was... It can almost be annoying at times, but I just can't be bothered with all of that.

My advice to FW and her Atty., would be, if the receipt doesn't pass muster, then it might be time to hire someone who is computer savvy to pull those two records, satisfactorily, if in fact they want to share them with the prosecutor.

O/T I tell everyone to buy a big plastic container and set it by the front door. Empty all the receipts from your pockets and purse when you walk though the door into it. At the end of the year go though them and take the ones for taxes. After you get all the receipts you need for taxes out of the tub just put the lid on and tape it up and put it somewhere for storage and get another container and you are all set for next year. It has worked out really well for my clients.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I am not sure that honest to goodness, legally documented, court approved joint custody of SW was ever established. It has been established that HMR and JW had a visitation system which was referred to as "joint custody", but IMO there was nothing on file with the court truly establishing joint custody in the eyes of the law.

IMO, the key phrase here in the title of all three alleged forged documents is "in the event of my death". IMO, they knew HMR would be killed. So they forged papers to be 100% sure custody of SW would automatically go to Jake at the time of HMRs death. However, also IMO, they forged papers to give AW custody of SW and GR4's son if JW or GW4 were killed or incapacitated in the process of committing the murders. ** IMO, they were covering all their bases to make sure the W4 as a family got everything they wanted in the end, no matter what the cost.

**ETA: IMO, this also would explain why there is no alleged forged papers for GW4's ex-wife. They are only listed for HMR, JW and GW4. GW had full custody, established in court. Therefore, he had the right to name anyone he wanted to take is son if he died. Since there was no formal custody agreement on file with the court, HMR truly had sole custody of SW. So they had to have papers passing SW to JW in the event of HMR's death, and then a second set of papers passing SW to AW in the event of his death. (ETA a second time, correcting AW's initials.)

Good point. I never thought of that as to why George and Jake.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Checked meaning and:
The term is ordinarily included in the phrase within the four corners of the document, which denotes that in ascertaining thelegal significance and consequences of the document, the parties and the court can only examine its language and allmatters encompassed within it. Extraneous information concerning the document that does not appear in it—within its fourcorners—cannot be evaluated.

I thought she said outside the four corners of the document.

 

[rsd1200]

O/T I tell everyone to buy a big plastic container and set it by the front door. Empty all the receipts from your pockets and purse when you walk though the door into it. At the end of the year go though them and take the ones for taxes. After you get all the receipts you need for taxes out of the tub just put the lid on and tape it up and put it somewhere for storage and get another container and you are all set for next year. It has worked out really well for my clients.

JMO

That's pretty much what my better half does. He takes care of all of that these days. It's all in my old office... somewhere, away from ME. I could wreak havoc on his system in a matter of minutes.

 

[OhioBlues]

If they were forged after, they could have backdated them, if they needed something with HMR's sig.

Agreed. But if they were forged in early April 2016 then I would love to know what RN thought when she heard the R's were murdered.

 

[rsd1200]

Agreed. But if they were forged in early April 2016 then I would love to know what RN thought when she heard the R's were murdered.

Is the date in early April when the docs were actually forged, or is that the date that they stamped on the document, but it was forged, say, April 25th? As in; Grandma, we never got around to making my parental rights legal. What is going to happen to S.? I never even did a dna test! Please help me out. She helps him out. She still broke the law, but she may not have known that her family was involved with the murders (I could be wrong though. It's happened more than once.).

 

[Myland]

Is the date in early April when the docs were actually forged, or is that the date that they stamped on the document, but it was forged, say, April 25th? As in; Grandma, we never got around to making my parental rights legal. What is going to happen to S.? I never even did a dna test! Please help me out. She helps him out. She still broke the law, but she may not have known that her family was involved with the murders (I could be wrong though. It's happened more than once.).

Jmo but I can see this happening. And if forged after the murders grandma thinking she is not hurting anyone only protecting her great grandchild jmo

 

[FrescaandSouthernComfort]

O/T I tell everyone to buy a big plastic container and set it by the front door. Empty all the receipts from your pockets and purse when you walk though the door into it. At the end of the year go though them and take the ones for taxes. After you get all the receipts you need for taxes out of the tub just put the lid on and tape it up and put it somewhere for storage and get another container and you are all set for next year. It has worked out really well for my clients.

JMO

All FW needed to do was go to My eBay and click on her Purchase History. All of her purchases are there, along
with the date of purchase, cost, seller's name, item's picture, description and eBay item number. This information
is retained for years. JMO... FW is not being truthful and has much to hid...Again, JMO.

 

[Myland]

Jmo I don’t know much about hacking, but how will this charge be proven? Searches on the Wagner’s computers? Can I give my spouse my password then he access my account and it appear as if he was hacking my account? Or is there specific things that show it is truly hacking. Jmo

 

[OhioBlues]

Is the date in early April when the docs were actually forged, or is that the date that they stamped on the document, but it was forged, say, April 25th? As in; Grandma, we never got around to making my parental rights legal. What is going to happen to S.? I never even did a dna test! Please help me out. She helps him out. She still broke the law, but she may not have known that her family was involved with the murders (I could be wrong though. It's happened more than once.).

I have the same questions. They are charging her with forgery tho. It would seem to me that the state believes that she forged HR's name in early April (regardless of when she notarized it). I don't know (or even have an opinion) if she knew her family committed the murders or not. I tend to believe AW relied more on her dad than her mom but I could wrong.

jmo

 

[NWLady]

I was merely saying, it's rare they do anything to either party, defense or prosecution, if they breech the order, b/c of the 1st and 6th amendments. I didn't realize you didn't want responses to your comment. Noted.

I enjoy the feedback to my posts and I enjoy reading your posts. I was only trying to clarify that what surprised me in this case particularly was the actually leaking of a portion of the grand jury testimony as in other cases I have followed here, I have not seen that before.

 

[rsd1200]

I have the same questions. They are charging her with forgery tho. It would seem to me that the state believes that she forged HR's name in early April (regardless of when she notarized it). I don't know (or even have an opinion) if she knew her family committed the murders or not. I tend to believe AW relied more on her dad than her mom but I could wrong.

jmo

I agree. She forged the documents, but I'm unclear on the when she forged them (and what reason she was told that they were needed). I also agree that she was probably closer with her father. I'm pretty sure that she has at least one other brother from her mother and her father's marriage. Her 1/2 bro has been there at court, but I've not seen anyone else on her side of the family (I may have missed them though).

 

[rsd1200]

Jmo I don’t know much about hacking, but how will this charge be proven? Searches on the Wagner’s computers? Can I give my spouse my password then he access my account and it appear as if he was hacking my account? Or is there specific things that show it is truly hacking. Jmo

Hacking can be as simple as using someone's password without their permission, to gain entry to their computer or phone, etc... If they have it written down, beside the computer, and you use it without their permission, that can be hacking. It's unauthorized access to their data. If they can show that someone was logging into the Rs/HHGs accounts, from another site, that could be one way to prove it (each computer has it's own unique address).

 

[Tiff23fr]

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...-Prosecutions/PikeCountyAdditionalIndictments

I wonder if these were created by the W's to serve as Standby Guardianship. To be sure that S did not go into Foster care while the custody case went forward. Same for B should something have happened to G4.

As standby guardian of S, while waiting on the custody case to go forward, maybe Jake would have had just as much legal right to access the crime scenes as other family relatives had they not been moved.

I am feeling the W's may have been on the radar of LE early on. I was too distracted to see it. JMO

 

[Tiff23fr]

Jmo I don’t see any way for Rita to get out of the forgery charge if the state has the documents. It doesn’t matter the excuse it is still forgery. Jmo unless Angela used her stamp and Rita can prove it jmo

Can I say "like" 100x?

 

[rsd1200]

I wonder if these were created by the W's to serve as Standby Guardianship. To be sure that S did not go into Foster care while the custody case went forward. Same for B should something have happened to G4.

As standby guardian of S, while waiting on the custody case to go forward, maybe Jake would have had just as much legal right to access the crime scenes as other family relatives had they not been moved.

I am feeling the W's may have been on the radar of LE early on. I was too distracted to see it. JMO

It's just now striking me that G4 was in there, and IIRC, he had the gall to ask the courts for a psych exam for TB. Idk if she's a fit parent or not, but considering where he was sitting, and he'd rather the boy go to foster care?! More twos. Both boys wanted those, jic.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Jmo I don’t know much about hacking, but how will this charge be proven? Searches on the Wagner’s computers? Can I give my spouse my password then he access my account and it appear as if he was hacking my account? Or is there specific things that show it is truly hacking. Jmo

Requirements:
To be effective as a nomination, the writing shall be signed by the person making the nomination in the presence of two witnesses; signed by the witnesses; and contain, immediately prior to their signatures, an attestation of the witnesses that the person making the nomination signed the writing in their presence; or be acknowledged by the person making the nomination before a notary public.

Lawriter - ORC - 2111.121 Nomination of guardian.

 

[rsd1200]

Requirements:
To be effective as a nomination, the writing shall be signed by the person making the nomination in the presence of two witnesses; signed by the witnesses; and contain, immediately prior to their signatures, an attestation of the witnesses that the person making the nomination signed the writing in their presence; or be acknowledged by the person making the nomination before a notary public.

Lawriter - ORC - 2111.121 Nomination of guardian.

My fil had to have a relative appointed over some things, due to being physically incapacitated, so, unable to do some things on his own. We got someone from the courthouse to run out and stamp what he needed. Refused to take a dime, but she had to see him physically sign the document, and he couldn't physically get to the courthouse.