OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#46

[Johnny B Bad]

I have tried to think through so many options but still can't figure out one that works completely.
Opinions have been stated he left the door unlocked because DS was staying the night. In that scenario, they ran the risk of DS actually showing up.

If they picked a lock his dog would have started barking right away, I would think. That would have given him time to get his gun. Unless, his gun was taken earlier??
Could it be possible that someone accessed his camper and took his gun earlier? He would then have limited options once they were in.
Just an opinion

JMO I think AW went to his camper to (talk) or something, Kenny got relaxed with thinking she meant no harm (but) looks bad Angela with Kenny’s murder? JMO

 

[rsd1200]

I have tried to think through so many options but still can't figure out one that works completely.
Opinions have been stated he left the door unlocked because DS was staying the night. In that scenario, they ran the risk of DS actually showing up.

If they picked a lock his dog would have started barking right away, I would think. That would have given him time to get his gun. Unless, his gun was taken earlier??
Could it be possible that someone accessed his camper and took his gun earlier? He would then have limited options once they were in.
Just an opinion

I've wondered, if perhaps KR was murdered simply b/c he'd driven by, maybe as they were leaving one of the properties, and they couldn't take the chance he'd seen them. It's also been bandied about that he stopped at CR1's most morning before heading to work. If so, that would have to have been very early in the a.m. He'd have to be taken out, based only on that reason, IF, in fact, that was his daily habit.

I believe all the doors were locked, the pits were outside, etc... to keep the one person who came by CR1's later each morning, BJM, from finding the bodies so early. It didn't work, but I believe that was part of the reason.

If my bil's car was in the drive, his dogs were outside, etc... I'd think, well, he's home, he doesn't need me to care for the animals or the plants. Now, I'm not as close w/my bil as BJM was with the Rs, so they probably underestimated her desire to know why he was home (was he sick, did he need help, the dogs were not usually out so that was off, etc... as she was there every single day, unlike me, who sees my bil 2-3 times a year). Just rambling thoughts.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I've wondered, if perhaps KR was murdered simply b/c he'd driven by, maybe as they were leaving one of the properties, and they couldn't take the chance he'd seen them. It's also been bandied about that he stopped at CR1's most morning before heading to work. If so, that would have to have been very early in the a.m. He'd have to be taken out, based only on that reason, IF, in fact, that was his daily habit.

I believe all the doors were locked, the pits were outside, etc... to keep the one person who came by CR1's later each morning, BJM, from finding the bodies so early. It didn't work, but I believe that was part of the reason.

If my bil's car was in the drive, his dogs were outside, etc... I'd think, well, he's home, he doesn't need me to care for the animals or the plants. Now, I'm not as close w/my bil as BJM was with the Rs, so they probably underestimated her desire to know why he was home (was he sick, did he need help, the dogs were not usually out so that was off, etc... as she was there every single day, unlike me, who sees my bil 2-3 times a year). Just rambling thoughts.

I can see most of it possible with the exception of he was taken out because he drove by. It's possible. I feel though that would exclude him from being part of a pre-plan.
If Leonard and BJM are accurate, KR had "cameras all over the place". Maybe they could have quickly located them all, and tampered with or removed them after. It seems though that falls out of the meticulous pre planned nature Reader and Dewine have referenced.

I don't know, I'm just feeling more and more that cameras being removed, maybe guns being moved, etc. started earlier in the day or days.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I have tried to think through so many options but still can't figure out one that works completely.
Opinions have been stated he left the door unlocked because DS was staying the night. In that scenario, they ran the risk of DS actually showing up.

If they picked a lock his dog would have started barking right away, I would think. That would have given him time to get his gun. Unless, his gun was taken earlier??
Could it be possible that someone accessed his camper and took his gun earlier? He would then have limited options once they were in.
Just an opinion

Maybe he didn't grab his gun because he knew who walked in his camper. As in someone opened the door and stepped in and woke him up. He saw who it was so didn't grab for his gun because he knew them and didn't think they came to kill him.

All of us, if we are awakened in the middle of the night, might be startled but if we knew who it was standing there we would not automatically go for a gun. A stranger yes. A person we know very well no. Most people do not think that someone they know will kill them. They are in denial of sorts. A stranger yes. But someone who was a virtual member of the family less than a year before? No way did Kenny think Jake came to kill him and he probably figured if Jake came for a fist fight that he could take him easy. After all Kenny was a pretty good sized man and Jake is a skinny .

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Maybe he didn't grab his gun because he knew who walked in his camper. As in someone opened the door and stepped in and woke him up. He saw who it was so didn't grab for his gun because he knew them and didn't think they came to kill him.

All of us, if we are awakened in the middle of the night, might be startled but if we knew who it was standing there we would not automatically go for a gun. A stranger yes. A person we know very well no. Most people do not think that someone they know will kill them. They are in denial of sorts. A stranger yes. But someone who was a virtual member of the family less than a year before? No way did Kenny think Jake came to kill him and he probably figured if Jake came for a fist fight that he could take him easy. After all Kenny was a pretty good sized man and Jake is a skinny .

JMO

I agree.

Jake could have knocked on the door and Kenny would have opened it. Fred lived just a few miles down the road so Jake could say a horse is sick and he's going over there to help and his car died.

Who knows, Kenny may have opened the door and then went back to bed. He was up in the camper bunk and would have to be facing the killer to get shot in the eye so he might have been talking to Jake. Because he was up in a bunk it would be harder to shoot him in the eye if he were sound asleep especially with no light but a flashlight.

 

[Loomis124]

Thanks. Very good. Some names I've never heard before.

TM is Kendra's sister.

 

[rsd1200]

I can see most of it possible with the exception of he was taken out because he drove by. It's possible. I feel though that would exclude him from being part of a pre-plan.
If Leonard and BJM are accurate, KR had "cameras all over the place". Maybe they could have quickly located them all, and tampered with or removed them after. It seems though that falls out of the meticulous pre planned nature Reader and Dewine have referenced.

I don't know, I'm just feeling more and more that cameras being removed, maybe guns being moved, etc. started earlier in the day or days.

Agree. He was no accident. Had forgotten that little, but important, detail. I wonder if the killers went into the driveway just a little piece w/o the lights, he'd not hear the truck that way (it's a long driveway), and walked the rest of the way in. It wouldn't be out of the ordinary for him to have cams along his driveway. Those would be very easy to snag, and run, if so. DS would notice them missing quickly, as they walked up to the road to get a signal. By him looking into the shed, before calling 911, I think he thought it had to do w/drugs, so he was probably on high alert, anyway, as they walked out to the road. KR didn't have a mailbox so they used 799 and waited for the ambulance iirc.

 

[rsd1200]

Maybe he didn't grab his gun because he knew who walked in his camper. As in someone opened the door and stepped in and woke him up. He saw who it was so didn't grab for his gun because he knew them and didn't think they came to kill him.

All of us, if we are awakened in the middle of the night, might be startled but if we knew who it was standing there we would not automatically go for a gun. A stranger yes. A person we know very well no. Most people do not think that someone they know will kill them. They are in denial of sorts. A stranger yes. But someone who was a virtual member of the family less than a year before? No way did Kenny think Jake came to kill him and he probably figured if Jake came for a fist fight that he could take him easy. After all Kenny was a pretty good sized man and Jake is a skinny .

JMO

If someone I know, is standing in my home in the middle of the night, and I'm NOT expecting them, they may get a welcome they'd not expected, if they didn't start explaining, and real quick. I'm not that trusting what with the meth and heroin crisis these days. j.s.

 

[KentuckyMama]

Yes but she is under home confinement and that is counted the same as jail time.

I'm not sure about Ohio, but here, house arrest does not count as time served if it's a condition of bond. Which, in the grannies case, it is. House arrest only counts as time served if it it a condition of the sentence. As in, they had went to trial, been found guilt guilty, and we're sentenced to house arrest.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

How does anyone know it was "Jake" at Kenny's??? Maybe it was not even a Wagner, we can't know who was where at this point.

 

[NWLady]

I have tried to think through so many options but still can't figure out one that works completely.
Opinions have been stated he left the door unlocked because DS was staying the night. In that scenario, they ran the risk of DS actually showing up.

If they picked a lock his dog would have started barking right away, I would think. That would have given him time to get his gun. Unless, his gun was taken earlier??
Could it be possible that someone accessed his camper and took his gun earlier? He would then have limited options once they were in.
Just an opinion

Again, this is just from what I had read early on when this first happened, it was said that KR's door did not lock from the inside, but when he left he put a padlock on the door on the outside to lock it up. JMO as again this was early on after it first happened.

 

[Tiff23fr]

In Angela’s cyber discovery there are items such as people’s phones, along with other items not followed by an indication of being a device. There are some you would expect such as Yahoo and Google. My opinion is this might be her search history on those two sites. Then there are two others that appear to be names but are not attached to a device. Any thoughts on why that might be?

 

[Dudly]

Again, this is just from what I had read early on when this first happened, it was said that KR's door did not lock from the inside, but when he left he put a padlock on the door on the outside to lock it up. JMO as again this was early on after it first happened.

I don't recall seeing that it would not lock from the inside. That said, if the locked worked good, he wouldn't have needed a hasp and padlock on the door for when he was gone....

 

[Cool Cats]

Again, this is just from what I had read early on when this first happened, it was said that KR's door did not lock from the inside, but when he left he put a padlock on the door on the outside to lock it up. JMO as again this was early on after it first happened.

DS said he always padlocked it from the outside when he left so you could be right that his door simply didn't lock. It might just be the simplest answer (Occam's Razor) that the killer simply walked in. Kenny had a guard dog, security cameras, and kept a loaded gun near his head when he slept so he probably felt safe even if the door wouldn't lock.

The Wagner's would know all about the door not locking. We know the Wagner's had been over to Kenny's place to do their surveillance on how to get in the camper, how to get past Brownie, and to locate all the security and trail cams. They probably did counter surveillance and put up trail cams of their own.

IGNORE THESE ATTACHED FILES ITS A GLITCH THAT I CAN'T ERASE OR DELETE. I HOPE MY SON CAN FIX IT SO THAT I CAN STILL KEEP POSTING. NOT GOOD.....SORRY

 

[Puzzles8]

Did KR have a girlfriend or close female acquaintance he might have been expecting?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

If someone I know, is standing in my home in the middle of the night, and I'm NOT expecting them, they may get a welcome they'd not expected, if they didn't start explaining, and real quick. I'm not that trusting what with the meth and heroin crisis these days. j.s.

BBM

But still you would hesitate long enough to give them a chance to explain. No one wants to pull the trigger on someone they have known for years, argument or no. As everyone has stated Jake was virtually a member of the family for years. Him and Hanna broke up less than a year before. I can see Kenny giving him a chance to explain why he was there. It only takes a minute of hesitation to get you killed if your visitor is so inclined.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

How does anyone know it was "Jake" at Kenny's??? Maybe it was not even a Wagner, we can't know who was where at this point.

I for one am just speculating. I have no proof. That is why I post JMO below what I write.

JMO

 

[OhioBlues]

How could anyone remove your surveillance cameras while you are home? Why wouldn't KR see them? I believe that CR actually did see them coming.

If the camera systems were removed when the R's weren't home then wouldn't they know as soon as they returned?

Actually, wouldn't the camera systems have been set up to notify them if someone was on the property? If it couldn't notify them by phone then could it have been set up so that CR could see if someone was at KR's and vice versa?

jmo.

 

[Puzzles8]

In Angela’s cyber discovery there are items such as people’s phones, along with other items not followed by an indication of being a device. There are some you would expect such as Yahoo and Google. My opinion is this might be her search history on those two sites. Then there are two others that appear to be names but are not attached to a device. Any thoughts on why that might be?

I've noticed the same thing. Sometimes there are devices with no corresponding name and sometimes there are random names not associated with a specific device. Then of course the "other" items.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I for one am just speculating. I have no proof. That is why I post JMO below what I write.

JMO

Exactly.