OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#46

[plumloco]

I apologize if this was already posted

Ohio House passes bill to cover costs for 'extraordinary' capital cases

 

[Betty P]

I wouldn’t think very much unless they fought over taxes, etc. If the biggest blow up was whatever was discussed around custody via FB on 12-15-15 (AW discovery), it’s still hard to imagine that within weeks their minds went straight to murdering the whole family. Is there any more of this front end timeline that someone can assist with?

2013
Jake & HR start dating

2014
3/2014 FW creates two new businesses under White Pines (may not be relevant)
4/21/14 FW moves properties into White Pines (may not be relevant)
7/1/14 hacking started

2015
3/2015 Jake & HR end relationship
7/2015 HR relationship CG
8/2015 HR pregnant
8/2015 Jake & HR originally planned to marry
9/2015 Jake reports non exclusive relationship ended
10-11/2015 apx guess HR begins relationship with CH
12/15/15 Facebook custody conversation

2016
1/2016 Reported planning murders began

Ugh, I'm in timeline burnout still. I'll see what I can do, I have a couple other real-life projects I'm working on.

If you can post the links for those (you have to anyway) I'll add them to the already-updated timeline and post it. Sound ok?

 

[Betty P]

I apologize if this was already posted

Ohio House passes bill to cover costs for 'extraordinary' capital cases

Well, let's see if it stays in the budget in the Senate. Don't be surprised if it's reduced somewhat by the time it gets passed. Assume DeWine will sign it.

Here is a link to the bill. It's a stand-alone bill at this point and it actually creates the funds by transferring the money from the Controlling Board to the AG and State Public Defender. Special way of funding it without making it part of the biennial budget. Read the text of the bill here:

House Bill 85 | The Ohio Legislature

 

[sunshineray]

That article is a VERY informative article compared to most. What they found in that well sealed the case. Personally, I don't know why anyone would hide things in a well with all the streams and rivers in the area. But that is just my opinion...I would guess it was the quickest place to get the items out of sight...
I watch a TV show on ID last night and a detective said there is ALWAYS something left behind. DeWine said mistakes were made. I believe the State of Ohio has a very good case in my opinion only...

I agree that the well evidence sealed the case, finding the Maglite and whatever else was used to make the silencers. Makes you wonder if that well was somehow camouflaged and that's why they didn't find it during the first search. Maybe someone finally gave them the info about it's existence and location. So glad it was finally discovered, whatever the circumstances.

 

[sunshineray]

I have been wondering this as well if the specific discovery may be different relative to each defendant. Some will overlap, but for example we know no DNA in G4.

Tiff do you have the link to AW's first discovery? I only have the supplemental one. TIA

 

[Tiff23fr]

Ugh, I'm in timeline burnout still. I'll see what I can do, I have a couple other real-life projects I'm working on.

If you can post the links for those (you have to anyway) I'll add them to the already-updated timeline and post it. Sound ok?

Thanks Betty- The links are in post #5 of this thread with the first draft of the timeline. I worked with a mod to get it posted a few days ago so it wasn't all on your plate.

I think the only ones added in that post, since the original was done, are around FW and can be verified at Secretary of State site and Pike County Auditor.

Note: it appears a few of the links under “references” are showing up as text in post 5. It must have been the way the moderator copied/pasted from our communications.

 

[sunshineray]

In Jakes article he mentioned he had already maxed out credit cards, etc. I'm wondering if the W's were in some financial challenges???

Do you think though IF she had given custody, this massacre would have never occurred? On the other hand do you think it would have made no difference and the massacre was the plan all along?

In my mind I see the custody as being central to why the murders were planned. GW3 was able to get custody of his child. The W's were obsessed with getting their other granchild/child into their household full time. AJMO

 

[Scakes]

Absolutely agree, my dogs bark anytime they hear noise, even at my kids and myself, once they realize it's us they stop but the initial noise alerts them. There is mention in one of the legal documents of moving 2 of the bodies, I think when the full autopsy reports come out we will know more. The angles they were shot, range, etc. But I keep going back to the order, and the dogs.

I have been following this story for a few months and I’m still not very well versed with a lot of the facts. Something that keeps coming up is the dogs. Did they bark? Why didn’t anyone hear them? Etc so I’m sitting here with my German Shepherd and she talks constantly. Doesn’t matter who is outside she’s barking. Someone suggested to me that they make bark collars that zap the dog when it barks and it stops immediately. I know that everyone says the dogs were vicious but were they ? Could they have been called over for a treat and they’d quickly put on the bark collar?
Also, about JW picking up SW at 10:30, could he have given the dogs some type of sedative ? I know the family would have access to animal sedatives with the farms and the exotic animal breeding.
While he was inside picking up and faking niceness could GW or another family member walked over to pet the dogs and sedated them ?

 

[Tiff23fr]

Tiff do you have the link to AW's first discovery? I only have the supplemental one. TIA

This is all I have on Angela:
Angela Wagner Discovery 3.20.19 Rule 16B
Angela Wagner

Angela Wagner’s Motions
Angela.wagner.motions.12.14.18

 

[sunshineray]

This is all I have on Angela:
Angela Wagner Discovery 3.20.19 Rule 16B
Angela Wagner

Angela Wagner’s Motions
Angela.wagner.motions.12.14.18

Thanks, I must have had my link marked wrong. I thought there was another discovery release for AW.
Just something interesting I noted, that on AW's discovery CRSR and the gal who was with BJM when she discovered the two scenes are both the only ones who are listed with GPS devices that were looked into by the BCI techs.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Thanks, I must have had my link marked wrong. I thought there was another discovery release for AW.
Just something interesting I noted, that on AW's discovery CRSR and the gal who was with BJM when she discovered the two scenes are both the only ones who are listed with GPS devices that were looked into by the BCI techs.

Are you saying the F150 was hers? It looks like that is a phone beside her name.

BTW- they are listed in alphabetical order, so we can’t go by where F-150 falls in the list to mean anything more than it starts with an F

 

[Dudly]

This article from May 2016 already mentions AC being involved in the investigation plus how may agencies, etc. were involved.

Five weeks in, Pike County waits and hopes for answers in 8 killings

Soon after learning the magnitude of the slayings and crime scenes, Reader called the Ohio attorney general’s office for help.

Ten crime-scene agents and a supervisor from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation roared into town to process the four scenes, and most of them would stay for a full 24 hours to complete the work. They came from state offices in Athens, Bowling Green, Cincinnati, Columbus, London and Richfield.

The BCI and the attorney general’s office ended up supplying, at some point or another, 52 special agents/analysts/investigators; 17 workers from the state evidence labs; 11 command staff/supervisors; four support staff members; three special prosecutors; and a victim’s advocate.

As many as 20 state personnel remain in Pike County on any given day, working alongside Reader and his staff members. Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine is briefed daily during a conference call and travels the 65 miles from Columbus south to Pike County regularly. His most recent trip was Friday, when most everyone involved with the case huddled together for much of the day.

State prosecutor Angela Canepa is on the ground almost every day. She and Matthew Donahue lead the attorney general’s special prosecutions unit, and when there is an arrest, it will be up to them and the Pike County prosecutor to secure a conviction.


DeWine said he remains confident that day will come.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

That article was from April 2018. From looking at discovery lists of evidence so far, it appears they had quite a bit of forensic evidence at the time Prosecutor Junk made that remark. They had ballistics evidence, DNA, shoe print analysis, BPVs, video of the Wags buying supplies at Walmart, hours of interview audio, print and blood evidence from one of the Wagner vehicles. They had nearly a terabyte of data from phone records, voice mails, emails, texts, computers, etc. Over 500 messages relating to custody, also evidence that JW had been bugging the Rhodens, evidence the W's had tampered with the victims phones, etc. AFTER they were killed. LE had already raided the Wags farm on Peterson Rd, Flying W Farms, and the farm on Bethel Hill Rd.

They had a LOT of evidence at that point, so it's kind of surprising to hear Junk say he didn't have any good forensic evidence. In spite of all that evidence, they still hadn't convened a grand jury yet, right?

Maybe Junk was being coy or trying not to show his hand or maybe he was dragging his feet on charging the Wags. Maybe he wanted them to show up at his office to surrender. JMO.

I think maybe he didn't want to show his hand, and maybe he considered, as most of us have, that this might not be their only time murdering. Maybe he wanted to see what might shake loose??

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Not being snarky at all, but if the witness has juvenile, and possibly even adult, charges and jail time, they've smeared their own record. If the prosecution is relying on testimony of those who have been, or are, incarcerated, that may prove to be a problem.

I'm sure someone else has commented on this. But here's my 2 cents. A witness who is a responsible adult who, for example as a juvenile stole some alcohol from a convenience store, in my opinion has not smeared their reputation, ESPECIALLY as compared to a family who has continually thumbed their noses at the law, repeatedly used intimidation tactics to try to get their way, dress however they feel like in court before getting street clothes approved by the judge, and on and on.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I was thinking very similar in casting reasonable doubt. I think when all the other stuff like road rage, fights, and grows started loosing traction they needed another good scapegoat in play.
I don't know if this individual really worked for CSR. I do believe 11 phones is questionable business.

Were these phones found on scene or 11 separate active phone numbers under 1 person and in use by that 1 person? If I looked hard enough, I could probably find about 10 phones laying around my house. None of them has ever been registered to anyone but me. Also, a very small business owner can easily get 6 lines or more. I don't think this "evidence" will amount to anything. I could be wrong, but so far the discovery sure seems the state has em dead to rights.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Are you saying the F150 was hers? It looks like that is a phone beside her name.

BTW- they are listed in alphabetical order, so we can’t go by where F-150 falls in the list to mean anything more than it starts with an F

An F150 is a pickup truck made by Ford. And Garmin is a brand name of a GPS for vehicles. I own a Garmin GPS and own an F150 which the Garmin GPS is in.

So could that be someone's Ford truck with a Garmin GPS installed in it?

JMO

 

[NWLady]

Agree, the state built a strong case against the Wagners. Like everyone else, I keep coming back to the large amount of digital evidence compiled against GW3. Why did he care so much about getting full custody of S?

BBM
Maybe he liked the idea of his household bringing in any extra income that was possible? Previous employment history on all 4 would sure be interesting I'm thinking....
JMO

 

[Loomis124]

This article from May 2016 already mentions AC being involved in the investigation plus how may agencies, etc. were involved.

Five weeks in, Pike County waits and hopes for answers in 8 killings

Soon after learning the magnitude of the slayings and crime scenes, Reader called the Ohio attorney general’s office for help.

Ten crime-scene agents and a supervisor from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation roared into town to process the four scenes, and most of them would stay for a full 24 hours to complete the work. They came from state offices in Athens, Bowling Green, Cincinnati, Columbus, London and Richfield.

The BCI and the attorney general’s office ended up supplying, at some point or another, 52 special agents/analysts/investigators; 17 workers from the state evidence labs; 11 command staff/supervisors; four support staff members; three special prosecutors; and a victim’s advocate.

As many as 20 state personnel remain in Pike County on any given day, working alongside Reader and his staff members. Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine is briefed daily during a conference call and travels the 65 miles from Columbus south to Pike County regularly. His most recent trip was Friday, when most everyone involved with the case huddled together for much of the day.

State prosecutor Angela Canepa is on the ground almost every day. She and Matthew Donahue lead the attorney general’s special prosecutions unit, and when there is an arrest, it will be up to them and the Pike County prosecutor to secure a conviction.


DeWine said he remains confident that day will come.

Thank you for sharing this again, Dudly. It reminds me of the real reason I'm still here. RIP Rhodens and Gilley

 

[Loomis124]

Tiff do you have the link to AW's first discovery? I only have the supplemental one. TIA

Unfortunately, WS doesn't have all the Discovery documents that have been filed. Anyone can go back to their cases and see that. JMO

 

[Loomis124]

An F150 is a pickup truck made by Ford. And Garmin is a brand name of a GPS for vehicles. I own a Garmin GPS and own an F150 which the Garmin GPS is in.

So could that be someone's Ford truck with a Garmin GPS installed in it?

JMO

Garmin makes GPS devices for various uses. I have two on my boat for marking brushpiles.