OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#46

[Cool Cats]

It appears to me that FW has protected all of her property thru LLC's so no need for probate.

I think it's odd that a elderly man in poor health would not have a beneficiary. I am not certain about the following tho. It appears that she had her 3 children sign away their rights to the $700k. If anyone knows better then please tell me. It's in the Pike County probate court with the name George.
We had a selfish group of children that fought the inheritance of their half brother even tho he was part of our family costing my grandparent most of her own inheritance.

Also, my laptop is away being fixed so please ignore missing words and spelling for a couple of weeks.

If no beneficiary is listed the estate automatically goes first to the spouse, second to children and then grandchildren. After that it would go to parents of the deceased and then to siblings of the deceased.

There must be a Will or Living Trust somewhere, and I will bet Fred changed her Will/Living Trust after the arrests, cutting out the Wagner 4. Otherwise, if convicted, civil litigation will take all the Wagner 4's inheritance. Robin is likely the executor of her estate.
....My 2 Cents....

 

[OhioBlues]

If no beneficiary is listed the estate automatically goes first to the spouse, second to children and then grandchildren. After that it would go to parents of the deceased and then to siblings of the deceased.

There must be a Will or Living Trust somewhere, and I will bet Fred changed her Will/Living Trust after the arrests, cutting out the Wagner 4. Otherwise, if convicted, civil litigation will take all the Wagner 4's inheritance. Robin is likely the executor of her estate.
....My 2 Cents....

This was before the arrests but it was filed in Probate the year after he died. You can look through the documents and see the statements from the kids. I think that her entire Holdings are protected because she has been in prior lawsuit where they argued that the Farm was not in their names or something like that. I can find it later. I'm watching the Masters and I only have a phone so it's difficult.

 

[Tiff23fr]

This was before the arrests but it was filed in Probate the year after he died. You can look through the documents and see the statements from the kids. I think that her entire Holdings are protected because she has been in prior lawsuit where they argued that the Farm was not in their names or something like that. I can find it later. I'm watching the Masters and I only have a phone so it's difficult.

I was thinking more about her White Pines holdings created in 2014. This could have been a way to protect themselves should an incident occur on one of the properties still in their name (an injury, a drug bust, etc...). Maybe they simply wanted it separate from direct liability or liability to the trust.

Just a possibility

 

[OhioBlues]

I was thinking more about her White Pines holdings created in 2014. This could have been a way to protect themselves should an incident occur on one of the properties still in their name (an injury, a drug bust, etc...). Maybe they simply wanted it separate from direct liability or liability to the trust.

Just a possibility

I believe if you look at her court cases online involving animals etc then you will find it. I have it bookmarked on my laptop but it's out for repair.

I think it's only the insurance policies on dead GWSR without a will. My guess is BW had to leave Alaska to sign off on it.

 

[OhioBlues]

How could someone that old. meaning GWSR, pay for those policies and for it to pay off?

 

[FrescaandSouthernComfort]

If no beneficiary is listed the estate automatically goes first to the spouse, second to children and then grandchildren. After that it would go to parents of the deceased and then to siblings of the deceased.


There must be a Will or Living Trust somewhere, and I will bet Fred changed her Will/Living Trust after the arrests, cutting out the Wagner 4. Otherwise, if convicted, civil litigation will take all the Wagner 4's inheritance. Robin is likely the executor of her estate.
....My 2 Cents....

It is very complicated, but the policy cost was probably paid by one of the Wagners corporations and used
as a deduction. When payout occurs the proceeds might be subject to federal estate taxes. It would be a
benefit to pay now, than to have the taxes due again on the surviving spouses death. Since the land value
would not be probated, the trust v. probate was consider, and it was better for the Wagners to use method.

If a beneficiary is not named, under the laws of the State of Ohio, it become of the property of the estate and
divided as to the terms of George II will. JMO...

 

[Kyshoegal]

Would that work with dogs kept inside at night? All of the dogs except FR's hunting hounds were inside dogs.

Well shoot lol, no I guess it wouldn't but I didn't realize they were indoor dogs. I knew Brownie was but I thought with that many they were likely outside dogs. So I guess that theory is down the drain> SORRY!!

 

[Kyshoegal]

Wow! This is the first time I've seen someone mention this, that maybe the Wagner's did not want the Rhodens gaining access to Sophia's future inheritence. Fred's great grandkids would likely be heirs to much of Fred's property and of course the Rhodens could derive some benefit and or access to the property in that senario.

This line of thinking could have added fuel to their fire.

You asked if the murders were more about money than love. I have to say that I think it's neither. I think it is what DeWine said, obsession over control of the children but I also think it was about obsession over control of Hanna and her family, and not allowing the Rhodens to have any access, in any way, to Sophia's inheritance . It was about the Wagner's having complete control and taking total control away from Hanna and her family.

Sophia was with the Wagner's the night of the murders. I believe Angela stayed home and was watching the 2 kids the night of the murders, I do not think the men would have wanted her at the crime scenes. Also, there are discrepancies of when Jake dropped off and picked Sophia up that week, but we do know someone took Sophia to the hospital to see Kylie.

As far as the Wagner's having friends? Radio silence.

Yes, it will be interesting to see how the first trial will affect the 2nd trial and how the 2nd one affects the 3rd etc.... Would you want to be tried first? How will they decide who's going first? I'll bet the lawyers know if going first is the best thing to do or the worst thing to do.
.....Just My 2 Cents......

I think it's primarily about the child and the dysfunctional relationships entwined in these two families.
I have been personally involved in a nasty custody situation and let me tell you, you can be married for a long time and still be surprised at what people do when they feel their kids are threatened. Now, was SW really in danger..NO. But I believe AW is much smarter and a much bigger part of this than most people realize. I believe SW was the girl she always wanted & her sons "baby". JW was bitter over the breakup w HR and more bitter she moved on with someone else, and a son's pain is always felt by their mom. JW wanted that child away from HR so she felt pain like he felt. It doesn't mean he didn't love SW, I do believe they love her very much. I also believe they felt they were better than the Rhodens and that no one could raise a Wagner but a Wagner. It's possible AW tried to "bully" HR into giving them SW or at least began to make her life miserable and then DR probably stepped in to defend her daughter. Momma bear vs momma bear and that's when it all went south for good. It's also why DR had the second most significant/brutal injuries next to CR (who I believe was awake or woke up during the attack) I 100% believe she was there that night, to what extent I'm not sure and I won't go so far to say she pulled the trigger but she was there. All of this of course is JMO and based solely on my theory's.

 

[sunshineray]

I think I solved this one. I spoke with my (dog) trainer and he states it's as simple as Pavlov's Dog, which is classical conditioning. If the killers indeed had the Rhodens under surveillance for months then they "condition" the dogs to their presence. Initially the dogs may bark but by feeding them treats or meat the dogs are less likely to bark or react, by doing this at a similar time/fashion several days a week for months.....the dogs eventually begin to expect them to arrive and receive a treat. So say they navigated to the trailers via the woods, they simply toss some type of treat or reward at 2 am for weeks/months from the wooded area and eventually the dogs no longer alert to their presence. JMO, no clue if that is in fact what happened but I thought it was a viable explanation

Some of the dogs were inside at night though too. BJM said it was not the norm for CRSR's two dogs to be outside on the porch when she got there. I don't know DR kept her dogs in at night but down the road at CRSR's and FR's you could see quite a few of the dogs looked like they stayed outside in dog houses so that conditioning would probably work very well in desensitizing them.

 

[sunshineray]

I would think they left SW with a close relative.
Or maybe called a last minute babysitter...

Then whoever it was must have been very very close to the W's and had no conscience either.

 

[Dudly]

Archive.is is another way to save pages. As this picks up speed there will be massive info to corral, MOO.
There are some there now.

Some of the forum that went down are there. Use different spellings sometimes...aka Rarden

Rarden is the name of a town....

 

[Dudly]

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[Loomis124]

Wow! This is the first time I've seen someone mention this, that maybe the Wagner's did not want the Rhodens gaining access to Sophia's future inheritence. Fred's great grandkids would likely be heirs to much of Fred's property and of course the Rhodens could derive some benefit and or access to the property in that senario.

This line of thinking could have added fuel to their fire.

You asked if the murders were more about money than love. I have to say that I think it's neither. I think it is what DeWine said, obsession over control of the children but I also think it was about obsession over control of Hanna and her family, and not allowing the Rhodens to have any access, in any way, to Sophia's inheritance . It was about the Wagner's having complete control and taking total control away from Hanna and her family.

Sophia was with the Wagner's the night of the murders. I believe Angela stayed home and was watching the 2 kids the night of the murders, I do not think the men would have wanted her at the crime scenes. Also, there are discrepancies of when Jake dropped off and picked Sophia up that week, but we do know someone took Sophia to the hospital to see Kylie.

As far as the Wagner's having friends? Radio silence.

Yes, it will be interesting to see how the first trial will affect the 2nd trial and how the 2nd one affects the 3rd etc.... Would you want to be tried first? How will they decide who's going first? I'll bet the lawyers know if going first is the best thing to do or the worst thing to do.
.....Just My 2 Cents......

Good to see you, CC!

If AW stayed home that night, why did she buy herself boots? JMO, but I believe she was at all four scenes, just as stated in her indictment. JMO.

 

[sunshineray]

Wow! This is the first time I've seen someone mention this, that maybe the Wagner's did not want the Rhodens gaining access to Sophia's future inheritence. Fred's great grandkids would likely be heirs to much of Fred's property and of course the Rhodens could derive some benefit and or access to the property in that senario.

This line of thinking could have added fuel to their fire.

You asked if the murders were more about money than love. I have to say that I think it's neither. I think it is what DeWine said, obsession over control of the children but I also think it was about obsession over control of Hanna and her family, and not allowing the Rhodens to have any access, in any way, to Sophia's inheritance . It was about the Wagner's having complete control and taking total control away from Hanna and her family.

Sophia was with the Wagner's the night of the murders. I believe Angela stayed home and was watching the 2 kids the night of the murders, I do not think the men would have wanted her at the crime scenes. Also, there are discrepancies of when Jake dropped off and picked Sophia up that week, but we do know someone took Sophia to the hospital to see Kylie.

As far as the Wagner's having friends? Radio silence.

Yes, it will be interesting to see how the first trial will affect the 2nd trial and how the 2nd one affects the 3rd etc.... Would you want to be tried first? How will they decide who's going first? I'll bet the lawyers know if going first is the best thing to do or the worst thing to do.
.....Just My 2 Cents......

The rich do spend a lot of time and effort finding ways to keep their wealth. I can see the W's being fine with HR benefitting at some point down the road because she'd be benefitting alongside JW, she was to be married to him. Then she drops him and becomes an outsider who can now theaten the control of the weath in the future, in their minds. I can certainly see this worrying them, as it probably did with GW4's ex.
I also think AW most likely stayed home with the kids that night. Didn't JW say in an article, I think it was that Chris Graves one, that he saw HR's bew baby and was checking her feet for a W family trait. So he was either at the hospital or it was when he pucked up SW at DR's, like he originally said he did.
Who do you think out of the 4 will go to trial first?

 

[Loomis124]

Then whoever it was must have been very very close to the W's and had no conscience either.

IMO, it was FW/RW. JMO

 

[Loomis124]

The rich do spend a lot of time and effort finding ways to keep their wealth. I can see the W's being fine with HR benefitting at some point down the road because she'd be benefitting alongside JW, she was to be married to him. Then she drops him and becomes an outsider who can now theaten the control of the weath in the future, in their minds. I can certainly see this worrying them, as it probably did with GW4's ex.
I also think AW most likely stayed home with the kids that night. Didn't JW say in an article, I think it was that Chris Graves one, that he saw HR's bew baby and was checking her feet for a W family trait. So he was either at the hospital or it was when he pucked up SW at DR's, like he originally said he did.
Who do you think out of the 4 will go to trial first?

I have no doubt it will be JW. JMO

 

[Scakes]

Well shoot lol, no I guess it wouldn't but I didn't realize they were indoor dogs. I knew Brownie was but I thought with that many they were likely outside dogs. So I guess that theory is down the drain> SORRY!!

I can assume that the dogs were probably let out to go potty before they went to bed each night. So it could work.

 

[Loomis124]

Sure would love to see GW4s Discovery. So far, in the Discovery documents we've seen, two of the children (at the murders) have been named. The newborn either has been already (and we don't have a copy) or will be mentioned in someone's upcoming Discovery. So sad.

 

[Cool Cats]

Good to see you, CC!

If AW stayed home that night, why did she buy herself boots? JMO, but I believe she was at all four scenes, just as stated in her indictment. JMO.

Thanks Loomis, good to see you too. You always keep me thinking. Like the women's boot purchase attributed to Angela, as you mentioned, is making me second guess my theory that Angela couldn't have been at the crime scenes.

Who would babysit? If Fred babysat then Fred must know what evil they did. Or Rita for that matter. Who would babysit and not spill the beans besides the great grandmothers?

And what husband and sons in their right minds would want the mother of the house to be there when young mothers (like a daughter to me she said) are shot in the head? What did they do? Give the kids Benadryl so they would sleep deeply, leave them alone, then have Angela as a look out?

I can't wrap my head around Angela being there. To plot and plan yes, but to be there and see it happen? With babies next to mothers? I look at her in court and I just can't comprehend it. Her husband and sons were hunters, not her.

But the boots?

 

[Loomis124]

Thanks Loomis, good to see you too. You always keep me thinking. Like the women's boot purchase attributed to Angela, as you mentioned, is making me second guess my theory that Angela couldn't have been at the crime scenes.

Who would babysit? If Fred babysat then Fred must know what evil they did. Or Rita for that matter. Who would babysit and not spill the beans besides the great grandmothers?

And what husband and sons in their right minds would want the mother of the house to be there when young mothers (like a daughter to me she said) are shot in the head? What did they do? Give the kids Benadryl so they would sleep deeply, leave them alone, then have Angela as a look out?

I can't wrap my head around Angela being there. To plot and plan yes, but to be there and see it happen? With babies next to mothers? I look at her in court and I just can't comprehend it. Her husband and sons were hunters, not her.

But the boots?

Evidence shows AW was heavily, heavily involved in the plans and conspiracy leading up to these horrible murders. And...IMO, anyone who could meticulously plan these murders definately could carry them out. JMO.

And yes, I believe she pulled triggers. JMO