OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#46

[Loomis124]

Thanks Loomis, good to see you too. You always keep me thinking. Like the women's boot purchase attributed to Angela, as you mentioned, is making me second guess my theory that Angela couldn't have been at the crime scenes.

Who would babysit? If Fred babysat then Fred must know what evil they did. Or Rita for that matter. Who would babysit and not spill the beans besides the great grandmothers?

And what husband and sons in their right minds would want the mother of the house to be there when young mothers (like a daughter to me she said) are shot in the head? What did they do? Give the kids Benadryl so they would sleep deeply, leave them alone, then have Angela as a look out?

I can't wrap my head around Angela being there. To plot and plan yes, but to be there and see it happen? With babies next to mothers? I look at her in court and I just can't comprehend it. Her husband and sons were hunters, not her.

But the boots?

I think B*****y was specifically placed in AW's Discovery for a reason. And I think she alone made the decision that the children would not be harmed. All JMO

 

[bowler]

Evidence shows AW was heavily, heavily involved in the plans and conspiracy leading up to these horrible murders. And...IMO, anyone who could meticulously plan these murders definately could carry them out. JMO.

And yes, I believe she pulled triggers. JMO

Do you think all 4 went home to home or split it up?
I think for sure all 4 went to DR, possibly Billy/JW to CRSR and Gary with AW/GWIV to FR/HG. Needing to do them at same time.

 

[Loomis124]

Do you think all 4 went home to home or split it up?
I think for sure all 4 went to DR, possibly Billy/JW to CRSR and Gary with AW/GWIV to FR/HG. Needing to do them at same time.

My personal opinion is that all 4 went to 4 locations and did this together. It was a family affair, from beginning to end. And will be throughout trials, IMO.

 

[Gracie55]

I would think they left SW with a close relative.
Or maybe called a last minute babysitter...

Just a possible scenario I've pondered, maybe there's a reason it couldn't be, but I hope HR was not attacked after an argument when JW picked SW up.

 

[Loomis124]

AW's Discovery is the most telling and the most damaging to me so far. BW's is second. JW's next or in between the first two. We have not been privileged to see much of the Discovery, IMO. There is sooo much more, within the four corners, IMO, as AC said. I think that includes sooooo much more to learn about FW and RN. And also about AW's Carter family. All JMO from spending hours on end researching to the nth degree.

 

[bowler]

AW's Discovery is the most telling and the most damaging to me so far. BW's is second. JW's next or in between the first two. We have not been privileged to see much of the Discovery, IMO. There is sooo much more, within the four corners, IMO, as AC said. I think that includes sooooo much more to learn about FW and RN. And also about AW's Carter family. All JMO from spending hours on end researching to the nth degree.

Thank You!

 

[Kyshoegal]

My personal opinion is that all 4 went to 4 locations and did this together. It was a family affair, from beginning to end. And will be throughout trials, IMO.

We're pretty close in our thoughts on how this went down, but I think they split up for time sake. I agree she was there 100%. The main thing that bothers me, that I will likely never find out is who pulled the trigger on HR.

 

[Kyshoegal]

AW's Discovery is the most telling and the most damaging to me so far. BW's is second. JW's next or in between the first two. We have not been privileged to see much of the Discovery, IMO. There is sooo much more, within the four corners, IMO, as AC said. I think that includes sooooo much more to learn about FW and RN. And also about AW's Carter family. All JMO from spending hours on end researching to the nth degree.

Not to be morbid, but I think the full autopsy's (if and when released) will tell a great deal. As will the crimes scene details. From a forensic standpoint they will fill a lot of questions and holes for me at least. Besides CRSr, who fought, who had defensive wounds, whose body was moved... "The crime scenes and wound patterns, especially in the case of DR, who suffered two gunshot wounds to each side of her head and a fifth under her chin. This wound pattern is extremely specific, the offender or offenders chose to shoot Dana in extremely specific locations out of anger? Maybe. Because she’s seen as the core of the conflict? Maybe. What we do know is that Dana’s murder is different than the others in terms of the wound pattern, which raises a red flag and directs us to ask the question: Who is in conflict with Dana?
Crime scene staging is a function of victim relationships meaning only offenders who have some relationship to the victims’ because they know they will be the most likely suspect, so they take precautions on the front end…and on the back end. So did the offender or offenders insert elements of crime scene staging to detract attention from people the Rhodens knew towards pointing the finger at an outsider? I personally did not opine these murders were really a true “mass murder”, but instead individual murders all achieved on the same night to serve the same purpose: to keep a secret, take over their business, or to resolve some other conflict with one or more Rhoden family members in one fell swoop."
Dr. Laura Pettler

 

[Loomis124]

Do you think all 4 went home to home or split it up?
I think for sure all 4 went to DR, possibly Billy/JW to CRSR and Gary with AW/GWIV to FR/HG. Needing to do them at same time.

JMO but I think all 4 went to all 4 places.

 

[Loomis124]

Just a possible scenario I've pondered, maybe there's a reason it couldn't be, but I hope HR was not attacked after an argument when JW picked SW up.

Would not know.

 

[Loomis124]

Thank You!

You're welcome, JMO.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Just something interesting.
During FW’s testimony, she mentions they moved to Pike in ‘75 but lived on the ‘other road’ and moved to Camp Creek Rd in ‘80. I assumed that to mean they lived on Bethel Hill. However, according to this old lawsuit article, it sounds like Flying W Ranch may have been on Sunfish, or they lived on Sunfish while operating the ranch in those years. Does anyone know for certain where they were the first 5 years in Pike per her testimony or have any clarity to offer? I noticed it was something she was asked about during the grand jury proceedings. See- Exhibit 1 testimony pg.6 below. After these questions are where the redactions begin in the exhibit.

Imagine if this suit had turned out differently.

Exhibit 1 Wagner, Fredericka

 

[OhioBlues]

Would the 3D scanner show the bullet projection path so if a 6' 6" person shot a sleeping person vs a 5" 2" person shooting them would the 3zd scanner show the correct angle?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

In a family of narcissists, there is always a scapegoat. In this family, the scapegoat is RW.
She must do as the family wants, but gets little in return. JMO

RW is different from the rest of the Wagners; She has a heart, a soul and is not a narcissist. JMO

The rest of the family are truly heartless and will always approve, adore, agree and honor each other. JMO

FW is the center of this family's world, because she demands to be the center. FW mastered this
massacre. Again JMO

So you actually could see the forest through the trees. Interesting.

 

[rsd1200]

Just something interesting.
During FW’s testimony, she mentions they moved to Pike in ‘75 but lived on the ‘other road’ and moved to Camp Creek Rd in ‘80. I assumed that to mean they lived on Bethel Hill. However, according to this old lawsuit article, it sounds like Flying W Ranch may have been on Sunfish, or they lived on Sunfish while operating the ranch in those years. Does anyone know for certain where they were the first 5 years in Pike per her testimony or have any clarity to offer? I noticed it was something she was asked about during the grand jury proceedings. See- Exhibit 1 testimony pg.6 below. After that question there are clearly several pages missing in the exhibit.

Imagine if this suit had turned out differently.

Exhibit 1 Wagner, Fredericka

Their land backs up to Loy's Run. Could be there.

I think the senior Ws (FW/GWSr), lived in another county prior to G3's birth. I'm unsure where they lived when G3 was born though.

I found this interesting too. I kinda take this to mean that this group started FWF, and named her as their front woman, and she and G2 became the owners at some point.

According to the original incorporation paperwork, filed in 1976, R. E T., D.S. H.and L.G. B. started Flying W Farms Inc. with $500. They appointed Fredericka Wagner as its agent on April 15, 1976. Those documents were signed in Cincinnati.

Fredericka Wagner: A look at her property and assets

 

[Tiff23fr]

Their land backs up to Loy's Run. Could be there.

I think the senior Ws (FW/GWSr), lived in another county prior to G3's birth. I'm unsure where they lived when G3 was born though.

I found this interesting too. I kinda take this to mean that this group started FWF, and named her as their front woman, and she and G2 became the owners at some point.



Fredericka Wagner: A look at her property and assets

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[Jonas_Klein]

Just something interesting.
During FW’s testimony, she mentions they moved to Pike in ‘75 but lived on the ‘other road’ and moved to Camp Creek Rd in ‘80. I assumed that to mean they lived on Bethel Hill. However, according to this old lawsuit article, it sounds like Flying W Ranch may have been on Sunfish, or they lived on Sunfish while operating the ranch in those years. Does anyone know for certain where they were the first 5 years in Pike per her testimony or have any clarity to offer? I noticed it was something she was asked about during the grand jury proceedings. See- Exhibit 1 testimony pg.6 below. After these questions are where the redactions begin in the exhibit.

Imagine if this suit had turned out differently.

Exhibit 1 Wagner, Fredericka

Thanks for sharing to the exhibit. I read her testimony.

Her attorney proved they were ordered after.

It's possible she lied in pretending she ordered the BPV. herself. A mother could lie to protect her son.

A mother with money could also be over-protective and order them on her own. It's going to be hard to prove she didn't do it them herself.

If she ordered really ordered them in good faith 2 weeks after, it could be a sign family members were nervous...

They were ordered 2 weeks after, and not the next day. Maybe something happened around May 4th? JMO

 

[Jonas_Klein]

Thanks for sharing to the exhibit. I read her testimony.

Her attorney proved they were ordered after.

It's possible she lied in pretending she ordered the BPV. herself. A mother could lie to protect her son.

A mother with money could also be over-protective and order them on her own. It's going to be hard to prove she didn't do it them herself.

If she ordered really ordered them in good faith 2 weeks after, it could be a sign family members were nervous...

They were ordered 2 weeks after, and not the next day. Maybe something happened around May 4th? JMO

Sorry for the typos in my earlier post. There was a bug, I was unable to edit it after.

 

[Ann99]

So you actually could see the forest through the trees. Interesting.

Caylee - That’s what I thought too!

ty Fresca!
Perfect insight.

 

[FrescaandSouthernComfort]

Their land backs up to Loy's Run. Could be there.

I think the senior Ws (FW/GWSr), lived in another county prior to G3's birth. I'm unsure where they lived when G3 was born though.

I found this interesting too. I kinda take this to mean that this group started FWF, and named her as their front woman, and she and G2 became the owners at some point.



Fredericka Wagner: A look at her property and assets

Check Brown County, Ohio...

The plot containing the residence and major outbuilding is titled to White Pines Realty.
The plot contains 130 acres valued at $ 761, 370.00 in the last evaluation. Can you
see the connection to the insurance policy proceeds? This property in not in a trust.

Start your search with Lucasville Missions being incorporated in 1959 by the Cyrus Family
and their (Cyrus) holdings. Quite interesting.