OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#47

[Fletcher73]

I’ll guess Billy didn’t want to part with the silencer, so he kept that until
the last possible moment, probably throwing it down the well before going to Alaska. Could Billy have constructed the silencer by himself, or did he have help? Maybe an unwitting person outside of the circle of the W4 who had no idea of the purpose or future use of the silencer

We don't know yet if there was a homemade silencer/suppressor, or more than one, or even if what was found belonged to Billy - just that something like that was found in a well October 30, 2018, possibly constructed from part of a Maglite.

An article published June 10, 2018 mentioned a conversation at a derby: "In between engine roars and the crunch of metal, Joe, who works as a mechanist, said investigators actually paid him a visit. They’d heard he’d helped a friend make some silencers, which he had, and which his friend is legally registered to do."
Eight unsolved murders in Pike County, Ohio

IMO, that means LE was already investigating the possibility of a silencer/suppressor used in the murders; probably because 'fluff' from packing fibers were found at the crime scenes, and likely in the close-range wounds.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Sorry but the link wont copy. This just in....

SCIOTO COUNTY, Ohio (WSAZ) -- A body was found in Scioto County Friday afternoon.

Ohio State Highway Patrol troopers tell WSAZ a woman was discovered dead near Rarden, Ohio.

The scene is on State Route 73. We're told it is "relatively close" to where human remains were found in Pike County Monday.

No other details are available right now.

We have a crew on the way.

Keep checking the WSAZ App for the latest information.

What in the world is going on in the Pike County area?!?!

 

[GoBuckeyes]

No prob!.......Like you, I also had brought up on here the speculation of who might go first in being tried, and the implications of that. I think that going first is either the best or the worst thing to do, and I think the defense lawyers will advocate for what is in the best interests of their client.

Angela 's attorneys have filed a Motion for a change of venue.....

"One of four capital defendants charged with the 2016 Pike County murders has asked a judge for a change of venue" (but only after they try to seat a Pike County Jury)

Attorneys for Angela Wagner, 48, asked the court to consider moving the case outside Pike County Common Pleas Court to ensure she receives “a fair trial before a jury untainted by pre-trial publicity.”

Wagner’s attorney, Robert Krapenc, said he filed the motion “out of an abundance of caution.”

“My opinion of the process is that I filed a motion so I could preserve the right at a later date,” Krapenc said. “I would probably ask the judge not to rule on that motion until we try to find a jury in Pike County.”
Pike County murders: Mother’s attorney asks court for new venue, to drop death penalty
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I believe Jake's trial will be in 2020.

"According to Deering, Ohio law requires criminal trials to begin a maximum of 270 days after an initial arrest. Because Wagner waived his right to a speedy trial, Deering said his trial could begin as late as January 31st 202o."
Wagner murder trials likely many months away - Portsmouth Daily Times

I thought all 4 of the Ws up for murder waived their right to a speedy trial. No?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I like your line of thinking, but, that's little B. FR's little boy. NCH, I think, is Nationwide Children's Hospital. CAC, Iirc, is a children's service program. They may have been present, with him, while he was at the hospital.

Someone earlier in the thread who is very familiar with NCH's CAC shared that info with us. Thanks to him or her, iir the name, we're certain that it's the children's hospital. No one had a clue up to that point. Thanks again poster whose name I can't remember.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Thank you. Now reread your comment to me... You used a citing of an article that included all charges.
You chose to only reference your thoughts to the court filing. If you do not understand what you are
saying and writing, please research further. JMO

And who says southern charm is no more?? lol

 

[GoBuckeyes]

In the extended version Cool Cats posted on 4/20, Billy said.
“LeathermanTool on my right....

I had never heard of a LeathermanTool so I googled.
There are several, and one or more can be considered weapons.
Just saying....
I’ll admit, the officer did not seem concerned, but was it edited?

Long ago, there had been RUMOR of an unusual item being used at CRsr scene.
How many people know what a Leatherman Tool is?
Some are expensive.
I never heard of it.
Just putting this out for discussion if anyone has a comment

Cool Cats, can you please repost the video.?

I know what a Leatherman is. Most people I know have one or more. Did you have a specific question or questions? Happy to answer if I can.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

CC do you know when the deadline for discovery is? More specifically, the deadline for what they currently have in their possession. I know things can turn up at anytime but speaking to only what prosecution has now. I have very little knowledge about the legal proceedings in this respect. I know we may not see an actual trial date for the murders until late 2019 or early 2020

IMSC, June, 2019. Sorry, I can't recall the specific date. I want to say either the first or the 30th.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

At that point in time, wouldn’t that status have included Angela? Her and Billy were involved in the same shenanigans in years past.

They were able to plead out to misdemeanors.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I was meaning between AW and G3.

Seems like trouble had been around for a while. I don't know a lot of level- headed, hard-working, loving couples, who work hard to make their home a stable environment in which to raise children, who also go on shoplifting sprees. Ya know?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I don't believe BW was living there. I believe BW and AW separated and possibly BW was involved with someone else and living at FW's.
jmo. moo.

What causes you to believe that GW3 and AW separated? For how long do you think they were separated? And approximately what date range? TIA

 

[NWLady]

Leathermans are pretty common, at least in the area where I have grown up, which is mostly agricultural. One year my brother gave me one for Christmas that I carry in my purse on my keyring, it is the Micra version, and it has come in very handy many times. Of course though, it is the Micra version where the majority of ones I have seen men carry on the farms, etc. is the full size version...
Here is the Micra version of Leatherman...

Micra Multi-Tool | Leatherman

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

This is an irrelevant question. It's also a question that's hopefully not offensive to anyone, but, has JW been back in court lately and what's his hair do status?
Well, actually his hair don't status. Last court date he resembled Lego mom.
I just can't get into the horrific details of this massacre, anymore.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Listen to this guys supppressor it is very loud he even seared ear plugs, I think little BR did here and see something the night the Rhodens where killed. JMO

 

[Tiff23fr]

Listen to this guys supppressor it is very loud he even seared ear plugs, I think little BR did here and see something the night the Rhodens where killed. JMO

I don't really like discussing him. I do however believe at minimum they knew he was there. Dewine said they had been surveilling.

I think it's POSSIBLE someone interacted with him. I also think it's POSSIBLE that baby was not in the bed with FR & HG during the events. Either way, I absolutely would have responded as his mother did publicly that he likely slept through it all. JMO

I hate to speculate much beyond that.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

I agree, could JW be a cross dresser, jus saying I think he try’s to look like his mother. JMO

Oh, no! I apologize. I wasn't implying that. He's just had some, let's say, "different" choices of hair couture in his prior appearances. That's why I said it was basically an irrelevant question/topic.

 

[Ann99]

They were able to plead out to misdemeanors.

I’m wondering who was involved in that plea on the Prosecutors side.
Anyone we know?

 

[KentuckyMama]

I agree, could JW be a cross dresser, jus saying I think he try’s to look like his mother. JMO

My first thought while reading your reply here was........ "Norman Bates". Nearly spit out my iced tea!

 

[Ann99]

Thank you to all. I appreciate all the informational comments on the Leatherman Tool.

Thinking of the Boondocks Saints Movies, and how Boondocks Saints Guys were usually, if not always, decked out in every possible kind of weapon and intimidating gear they could attach to their person or clothing, and how Wagner Men may have been imitating the movie in planning... I don’t think it’s far fetched to speculate Billy had he biggest baddest LEATHERMAN available. Maybe seveveral.
My opinion.
Additionally, Boondocks Saints Movie has a brief reference to The Scorpion. Probably why Billy chose that tattoo

Now I’m wondering if B D Saints had Leathermans in the movies....ok...enough on the Leatherman

 

[Ann99]

We don't know yet if there was a homemade silencer/suppressor, or more than one, or even if what was found belonged to Billy - just that something like that was found in a well October 30, 2018, possibly constructed from part of a Maglite.

An article published June 10, 2018 mentioned a conversation at a derby: "In between engine roars and the crunch of metal, Joe, who works as a mechanist, said investigators actually paid him a visit. They’d heard he’d helped a friend make some silencers, which he had, and which his friend is legally registered to do."
Eight unsolved murders in Pike County, Ohio

IMO, that means LE was already investigating the possibility of a silencer/suppressor used in the murders; probably because 'fluff' from packing fibers were found at the crime scenes, and likely in the close-range wounds.

After thinking about it, you are correct.
We don’t know for a fact that it was a homemade silencer.

If I had to speculate though, I would say 90% chance it was homemade. Possibly made by someone else, not Wagners, who didn’t know the intended purpose. Just my opinion.

In a prior post you mentioned possibly fibers from the silencer were left behind, due to close contact with victims.
Wondering if shooters realized this as a possibility
Seems like that could have been a major error.

 

[rsd1200]

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It's a fair question. If AW and BW had marital issues, they could still work together in these murders. It would actually make more sense as to why both AW and BW were involved. One can't roll over on the other without taking down their own security net.

Maybe one or the other said fine, here is the solution to our problem. To fix it, you are in it with me. The boys are in it as well. You roll on me, you are rolling on yourself and your boys. After, we go our separate ways.

Just a possible scenario. No facts to support this in any way.

I'm unsure, as IANAL, but I don't think that married persons can be made to testify against one another or can they in capital cases?