OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#47

[RAISINISBACK]

I figured most out after like 90 pages. Still working through straightening out the "Gs" ! But, got some of them down!

That's why I use the first names of the victims and suspects and initials for everyone else. As in :

Chris - Chris Rhoden Sr
Junior- Chris Rhoden JR
Dana- Dana Rhoden
Frankie- Frankie Rhoden
Hanna- Hanna Rhoden
Hazel - Hannah Gilley
Gary- Gary Rhoden
Kenny- Kenneth Rhoden
KR- Kendra Rhoden

Billy - George Wagner III
Angie - Angela Wagner
George- George Wagner IV
Jake - Edward wagner
Fred- Fredricka Wagner
Rita- Rita Newcomb
RW- Robin Wagner

And so on....

JMO

 

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Human remains found in bag by mushroom hunter in Pike County

So who are we thinking it is? And is it connected to this case?

 

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Pike County man missing
Don’t know if this is who they found but he has been missing jmo

Who is this? And is he connected to this case?

 

[rsd1200]

Great post, gives us lots to think about. Just shows how important the all inclusive time lines are. Many thanks to all who have contributed to the time lines.
“We know the Wagner's were gone during the Friday May 12 and Saturday May 13 searches of their former Peeble's farm property and their trailers that were stored at the car lot.
They had sold their Peterson Rd. property in March and were not living on it during the searches.”

This makes it more clear to me that property sold in March, and sometime later, prior to May 12/13 their trailers and contents were stored at the nearby car lot.
Why would they have stored contents at car lot?
Why not logically take the trailers and contents to the Flying W Farm for storage.
Makes no sense to store family belongings on a strangers property. Does it.?
And now we know evidence was found in the well on that same property at a later date.

There is something here that we are not seeing/understanding. Something is missing.

BBM
Iirc, one or both boys worked for the guy, and, he's only ten miles away. I get what you're saying though. Why not take them to FW's. Gated property, no one to bother them. Possibly a barn to pull the trailers under. They did take some items from the trailers. Were they trying to put them somewhere discreet? If so, they were being watched.

 

[Scakes]

I agree with your assessment on her not being forthcoming about the weed. I have wondered if the bodies were drug to the room so she would in fact follow the trail.

Sorry if this gets too visual. The logic may not even be feasible.
If I imagine someone dragging a body, I imagine them walking backwards. The body and trail of blood would go over any of their own steps/footprints as it was dragged on the ground (any possible prints would now be smeared out). BJM would then walk through the streaks/blood leaving her own foot prints.

I think the W's wanted this to appear drug related and if BJM and friends were there to tend to the crop, they played into the plan in this possible scenario. (Drug Undercurrent)

I think BJM and Angela may have been close in the past. I wonder what their relationship was in the months before.

This does make sense. Contaminating the scene without even realizing it.

 

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There is also a missing 15 year old female from August 2018 but I haven't heard anymore about her. Off to see what I can find out.

This is not too far from where they found another body a few years ago.

I do not want to offend anyone from Pike County but isn't there a lot of dead bodies turning up in and around that small area?

I live in a small town. We had one murder in 1926 ( a man shot another man over his wife) one murder in 1952 ( a man shot his wife) and another murder 63 years later in 2015 ( two men killed an older man while robbing him.) All were solved in a matter of hours. No dead bodies have ever turned up.

It just seems unusual all these murders and dead bodies turning up in a sparsely populated area like Pike county.

JMO

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

So who are we thinking it is? And is it connected to this case?

Yes it’s connextsd to the case lol what isn’t connected to the case is the better question lmao

 

[OhioBlues]

BBM
Iirc, one or both boys worked for the guy, and, he's only ten miles away. I get what you're saying though. Why not take them to FW's. Gated property, no one to bother them. Possibly a barn to pull the trailers under. They did take some items from the trailers. Were they trying to put them somewhere discreet? If so, they were being watched.

Maybe there was a GPS on them and the W's didn't want BCI to follow them. Just a thought. MOO.

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

I do not want to offend anyone from Pike County but isn't there a lot of dead bodies turning up in and around that small area?

I live in a small town. We had one murder in 1926 ( a man shot another man over his wife) one murder in 1952 ( a man shot his wife) and another murder 63 years later in 2015 ( two men killed an older man while robbing him.) All were solved in a matter of hours. No dead bodies have ever turned up.

It just seems unusual all these murders and dead bodies turning up in a sparsely populated area like Pike county.

JMO

That’s what happens around here you run your mouth someone kills you and dumps you in a deserted area. .. I say that body is old they said it was “very decomposed”

 

[Kyshoegal]

51 Union Hill--- Game Camera--- listed in Angela's Supplemental Discovery

51 Union Hill Rd. Looking down UHR with Dana's place down the road on right according to @Ann99's post......Thankx

https://photos.zillowstatic.com/p_f/ISctzxvfls36ar.jpg

And Backyard view......

https://photos.zillowstatic.com/p_f/IS1l8p4r80a938j.jpg

Thank You CC!! It's so much easier for me to put it in perspective once I see pictures, it's never what I imagine it.

 

[Kyshoegal]

You're so informative. I'm so new to this thread that I am still learning all the abbreviations for the names.
I have two pups of my own. One is 9, one is 7. Non-agressive breeds.
Even with my own husband, when he wrestles with our boys, our dogs start barking, get up, stand near the kids.

What I am saying is that, in my own life, known or not, I don't think my dogs would let anyone near our children.

Regardless of dog repellent, sedatives, or even if the were rounded up to say a vehicle... Something more than a human prevented those dogs from protecting the children. Which imo, is at the very least something they would have done.
There had to have been some yelling, crying, pleading (imo). The dogs would have been on alert to protect those children that had been with then since they were pups.
Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part. That if something were to happen in my home, our dogs would be there for the kids.

As far as the evidence goes, I'm only to thread #41. I am still reading through it. I haven't even gotten to what the heck the reference to the bed bugs is about.

I did however see some of the posts regarding the roosters. As a newb (as my kids say), I just want to point out that maybe the rooster thing (when mentioned) is nothing more than a statement of character. I mean, imagine you've know your neighbor for years. Then you find out that not only does he engage in fighting. But, raises animals to sell to those who want to perpetuate this cruel and criminal activity. Your perception of that neighbor would change(imo).
That's all I will say about it because it seems some folks on this thread really don't like the roosters being brought into the conversation.

Again, thank you for your dedication to the victims and their families. It seems you have put in long hard hours making sure that true and factual information keeps the public informed.

WELCOME ckiadee!! I'm a newbie too and I had to create a cheat sheet to keep up with abbreviations for the names lol. I have learned soooo much from this thread, it's fascinating. This is definitely a great thread to start on

 

[Kyshoegal]

You could be right. In fact BJM, who is Dana's sister, is the one who discovered the crime scenes first. She went over to Chris Sr's house and she stated that she found it odd that the door was locked. On top of that, she said she knew where the key was hidden. So it's possible the killers just waltzed right in through an unlocked door.

Pike County: 'I was not leaving those babies in there'

".....She (BJM) had a friend and his wife with her when she pulled into the driveway. She left her cellphone charging in the car and went up to the trailer. She turned the handle of the door and thought it was odd it was locked, she said. She also thought it was odd that Rhoden's two pit bulls were outside on the front porch, one sitting in a recliner. The animals normally stayed inside the trailer, she said.

She found the key and opened the door....."

CC I'm from a very small town in KY, not only did we not lock our doors but we left our keys I the ignition of our cars. I grew up on a road similar to UHR (check out Cub Run KY, HWY 8127). Doesn't surprise me at all

 

[rsd1200]

That’s what happens around here you run your mouth someone kills you and dumps you in a deserted area. .. I say that body is old they said it was “very decomposed”

Spring is the time that seem to be when bodies are found too. It's getting warm, the undergrowth isn't thick, and people are out mushrooming, 4-wheeling, hiking, fishing, and... you can see things you normally would not. Give it about four to six weeks and the undergrowth will be thick again.

 

[rsd1200]

CC I'm from a very small town in KY, not only did we not lock our doors but we left our keys I the ignition of our cars. I grew up on a road similar to UHR (check out Cub Run KY, HWY 8127). Doesn't surprise me at all

O/T Small Town, KY, here, too. I'm more toward the other end of the state though. I've been to Cub Run. We went to the Caverns there. Beautiful!

 

[Kyshoegal]

Agree. We checked the weather that night and it was raining on and off and the temp was pretty chilly (low of 54 degrees). IMO, they wouldn't have left any windows wide open that night.

Huntington, WV History | Weather Underground

That search is showing Huntington, WV, but the weather that day was more accurate to a station up towards Cbus

especially with small kids/infants in the house. I am about 3 hours away, left my widows open last night & woke up very cool this morning.

 

[Kyshoegal]

O/T Small Town, KY, here, too. I'm more toward the other end of the state though. I've been to Cub Run. We went to the Caverns there. Beautiful!

I knew you were cool!! Yeah, our property connected to Mammoth Cave and before we could drive my friends would all meet up and ride horses/ATVs through park trails for hours. Gone til sunset sometimes overnight. While I haven't lived there in quiet some time, the memories are vivid. It's a different mindset, different way of living/thinking. My kids say it's like time travel lol. I think that's one reason this case resonates with me, there is a lot of familiarity

 

[rsd1200]

I knew you were cool!! Yeah, our property connected to Mammoth Cave and before we could drive my friends would all meet up and ride horses/ATVs through park trails for hours. Gone til sunset sometimes overnight. While I haven't lived there in quiet some time, the memories are vivid. It's a different mindset, different way of living/thinking. My kids say it's like time travel lol. I think that's one reason this case resonates with me, there is a lot of familiarity

Sounds like some awesome times, riding through all of that beauty! I love going to Mammoth, too, when I get a chance. My favorite is the lantern tour.
&
BBM
Same here, small town, very different. I'm in, what is called the "foothills" part of Appalachia. I started following the case, on that first day.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

That’s what happens around here you run your mouth someone kills you and dumps you in a deserted area. .. I say that body is old they said it was “very decomposed”

Wow. Makes me think of that old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." Seems like in that area words really can hurt you.
JMO

 

[Tiff23fr]

BBM
Iirc, one or both boys worked for the guy, and, he's only ten miles away. I get what you're saying though. Why not take them to FW's. Gated property, no one to bother them. Possibly a barn to pull the trailers under. They did take some items from the trailers. Were they trying to put them somewhere discreet? If so, they were being watched.

I'm starting to think they did go to Alaska or at least some where North and were questioned and searched up there. We have heard LE spent a significant amount of time in Alaska. Brown stated they dropped the trailers off a week before. Maybe like you mentioned they mistakenly thought they were being discreet.

I also wonder if two trips was an effort to take a smaller item or two and hide it (until they moved) or dump it (permanently) in Alaska "while looking for a place". A vehicle with what looks like tourists rolling through doesn't stick out to border agents like trailers overflowing with toys and such.

What may have surprised the Wagners was the law was both ahead of and behind them the whole time.

Just a possiblity

 

[Kyshoegal]

I agree with your assessment on her not being forthcoming about the weed. I have wondered if the bodies were drug to the room so she would in fact follow the trail.

Sorry if this gets too visual. The logic may not even be feasible.
If I imagine someone dragging a body, I imagine them walking backwards. The body and trail of blood would go over any of their own steps/footprints as it was dragged on the ground (any possible prints would now be smeared out). BJM would then walk through the streaks/blood leaving her own foot prints.

I think the W's wanted this to appear drug related and if BJM and friends were there to tend to the crop, they played into the plan in this possible scenario. (Drug Undercurrent)

I think BJM and Angela may have been close in the past. I wonder what their relationship was in the months before.

Think about this too, the rooms/halls of most trailers are small and fairly confined so to drag/move them with that much blood and DNA... HOW IS THERE NOTHING ? How do you maneuver a crime scene in such a small space and leave no blood trace, no DNA, no hair, no nothing behind? Soooo frustrating lol.