OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#47

[molly1255]

He may need the documents to prove he has legal custody for medical care, and school.

Since all of SW's closest maternal were killed, she may be entitled to an inheritance. Pretty sure JW would be taking care of that, too.

 

[Chelly]

They used food stamps to get to Alaska!

Really? Words fail.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

They used food stamps to get to Alaska!

Good, maybe you can testify against them for fraud since you state this as factual!

Hell, what's one more charge eh?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

If Jake and his family killed the Rhodens Family, why do you think they did it? Child custody is a little far fetched, I think Hanna new something big, Jake Wagner could have let something slip to Hanna he was crazy about her and couldn’t stand all the other men she had, JMO and to all you posters tonight think about this the Chillicothe Missing Women’s was going missing around the same time the Rhodens murders and then they stopped all of a sudden, something not right the LE better dig deeper.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Good, maybe you can testify against them for fraud since you state this as factual!

Hell, what's one more charge eh?

Go back a few post and you can read where Angela and Billy filed bankruptcy, as their income they listed $534.00 dollars from SSI and $ 389.00 food stamps they did this a few years back

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Go back a few post and you can read where Angela and Billy filed bankruptcy, as their income they listed $534.00 dollars from SSI and $ 389.00 food stamps they did this a few years back

Really none of my business, so no thanks. I couldn't care less how they lived. I'll just bet if honesty were in full force here, over a quarter of the posters live similar, but as I said.. NONE OF MY BUSINESS.

 

[OhioBlues]

Honestly, it had to be next to nothing. What was FW income and where was she getting it (except for the poor fools who she kept scamming in the land contracts)? She had to be the one supporting the entire crew.

FW's appears to be rich because of the land and all of her dealings. I don't think she is wealthy. I believe she is struggling financially.

People can purchase a $ 2 million dollar house and a Porsche and appear to be rich but are financially wiped out. Huge assets requires huge payments plus land upkeep, animals etc. The stroke might have been a major setback for her family. I think that she said that she couldn't work for an extended period of time. Google might have caused her land contracts, dogs etc to lose business too. I google almost every company that I deal with to check on complaints. I have been ripped off tho so that might be just me.

jmo

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Really none of my business, so no thanks. I couldn't care less how they lived. I'll just bet if honesty were in full force here, over a quarter of the posters live similar, but as I said.. NONE OF MY BUSINESS.

I bet I don’t live that way!

 

[Owutatangledweb]

If he is on the birth certificate, why would he need to do any convincing to a judge? I could never understand why that was needed.

Being on the birth certificate is not the same as a declaration of paternity by a court. In Ohio, a father must file an action with the juvenile court to get his parental rights established; that is, to seek custody or parenting time. Child support is done administratively by the child support agency and all they need is an Affidavit of Paternity or DNA test to do that.

 

[Scakes]

Not now cuz you need to prove ID, etc even on domestic flights now. Human trafficking is so huge in the U.S. now and they are super vigilante on kids traveling with adults who don’t prove parentage. Cost would have been huge and they didn’t have the $. Also, they needed to move all their stuff. If they had the $ to fly just SW and AW then they could have afforded DNA. JMOO

Adults are the only ones who need ID to fly. Minors can travel domestically without one as long as they’re flying with an adult who does have a valid ID.
I’m sure they could’ve had her fly with JW and it wouldn’t have broken the bank.
I haven’t read anywhere that JW wasn’t on the birth certificate. If he was, he wouldn’t need to show custody papers to have her registered for school or sports etc. custody orders usually arent needed unless one of the parents isn’t authorized to pick up.
I feel like there must be some type of gray area with those forged docs. There’s so many missing pieces and holes in this horrible tragedy. I hope a lot of questions are answered when the trial starts.

JMO on all

 

[almond]

If Jake and his family killed the Rhodens Family, why do you think they did it? Child custody is a little far fetched, I think Hanna new something big, Jake Wagner could have let something slip to Hanna he was crazy about her and couldn’t stand all the other men she had, JMO and to all you posters tonight think about this the Chillicothe Missing Women’s was going missing around the same time the Rhodens murders and then they stopped all of a sudden, something not right the LE better dig deeper.

Um, all of the other men that she had?? To quote you. Two, two fellows after him. Sheesh. Dewine said this case is over custody, with a lot of crazy thrown in. We'll have to wait to hear what the whole story is, right?

edit by me

 

[StrangeOne]

Am I reading the end of this thread correctly? Is HR being blamed for her death because she was with two other men? It's questioning her right to say yes in the very least. She is one of 8 victims. I don't care if she was with 100 men it's sure no reason to kill her.

As for food stamps and such, you think it's enough to kill a whole family over? for anyone to say it was enough to slaughter 8 people over has never been poor and had to use these resources. I'm beyond shocked at the classism and what I see as victim shaming.

One day HR's children will want to find out what happened and this is what they are going to find.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Married into a hardcore Southern Baptist family (though my husband broke out, my in laws practice) as a Catholic. It is.... Interesting (jmo)

I can't find the post. So I had to to Chickadees' reply to the post of the person who wanted to know more about the W's faith and looked up info. My immediate reaction when I glanced at that site....Who on earth wrote that website? Is that from the W's church? I've been in every different type of Baptist church that I can think of, Southern, Independent, American, Free Will... just to name a handful. That doctrine, if it can be called one, is not in line with any message I've ever heard at a Baptist church. Just so it's understood, I've been to many other non-Baptist churches too. We won't go into the whys behind all that. But that website just blew my mind. Do you have more info on the author or authors. And is it from the Ws church? Ughhh. Granted Baptists tend to fall toward the strict end of the spectrum when it comes to Protestant churches. But imhoo, that author is certifiable. (Not the author of the post, the author of the website.)

 

[GoBuckeyes]

********New Court Information Listed for Jake Wagner********

His Status Conference, that had been scheduled for April 16th, was cancelled as we know. But now there are 2 events scheduled for him on the same day.

Edward "Jake" Wagner...PRE-TRIAL HEARING...May 14, 2:00pm

Edward "Jake" Wagner...MOTION HEARING...May 14, 2:00pm

Hummm........Wonder whatever became of Jake's Status Conference?

What's the significance of the status hearing? Is that to determine if he's mentally competent to stand trial?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

And those are the million dollar questions.....
Did Fred know about the murder plans before April 22nd 2016?
Did Fred learn about the murder plans after April 22nd 2016?
Is Fred just an innocent bystander who knows nothing and never lied to The GJ?

The thing that alarmed me and surprised me is the 3rd reason the Special Prosecutor Angela Canepa gave to keep Fred's bond high.

#1.) Fred lied to the GJ, Obstructing Justice.

#2.) Fred had discussed her GJ Testimony with others, and had been instructed by the Judge not to do so.

#3.) Angela, Jake, Billy and George IV were in Fred's house discussing revenge and escape (if arrested) it happened on multiple occasions, and Fred was actually present during these conversations. Canepa did not say that Fred herself threatened anyone, and she told the Judge she didn't think Fred would become a "hitman" but she was concerned about the possibility of Fred helping to facilitate those types of plans.

Three of the targets discussed were Governor DeWine, Sheriff Reader, and a BCI Special Agent who was working full time on the case. Reader even said he had security protecting him. I'm sure the others as well.



Canepa said that this information was obtained through a confidential reliable source but the media keeps reporting it as a confidential informant, but we don't know, it could be from wiretaps only. I also suspect that this confidential reliable "source" picked up the information that Fred was discussing her GJ Testimony.

Fred being privy to these conversations, as well as even allowing them in her own "Christian" home, leads me to suspect that she knew about something evil--- either before or after the fact.

Very much agree with you.

 

[Cool Cats]

What's the significance of the status hearing? Is that to determine if he's mentally competent to stand trial?

Janine Emily Smith
Criminal Defense Attorney | Pittsburgh, PA

Status Hearing:
A status hearing can have many purposes in a criminal matter. It may be to determine if a plea agreement has been reached, to see if discovery matters are progressing, be related to a pending motion, be the result of other pending criminal matters that must proceed first, be caused by the unavailability of an involved person due to medical issues or incarceration in another jurisdiction, or any number of other things.

What takes place would depend on the reason for the status hearing. If you are involved in a criminal matter with a pending status hearing, speak with your attorney (if you are the defendant) or talk to the prosecutor (if you are the victim or a prosecution witness) to determine what the purpose of this specific status hearing is.

 

[FrescaandSouthernComfort]

Am I reading the end of this thread correctly? Is HR being blamed for her death because she was with two other men? It's questioning her right to say yes in the very least. She is one of 8 victims. I don't care if she was with 100 men it's sure no reason to kill her.

As for food stamps and such, you think it's enough to kill a whole family over? for anyone to say it was enough to slaughter 8 people over has never been poor and had to use these resources. I'm beyond shocked at the classism and what I see as victim shaming.

One day HR's children will want to find out what happened and this is what they are going to find.

 

[FrescaandSouthernComfort]

Yes, in my opinion, you are not reading the end of the thread correctly. Never was it my
intention or classism to question the resources available to whose individuals truly needing
help. Did you read that correctly? Truly in need? Every resource should be available to
children regardless of their caretakers abilities to provide a clean, safe environment.

As far as my other comment, JMO, but a contributing factor.

 

[ChickaDee221]

Sorry, I don’t understand what you are trying to say. In the first place, the State of Ohio is paying for 5 of 6 defendants’ lawyers. Fred is only paying for her own. I believe AW would give up Fred if she thought the other 5 were going down except for Fred. I believe “all is not well in Denmark” between the 2 of them and I think AW would say “Why is she not included, she did this and this and this...”. I think there would be a helluva cat fight, the likes we’ve never see since Krystle and Alexis.

I've stated before that I am not as familiar as most with the case. I have been reading backwards through the threads of information provided here.
So, I apologize for not being as up to date as most.
I just think if they were going to turn (any of them) it would have been done already.

 

[ChickaDee221]

You do realize that I am talking about a very different family, not your balanced, hard working individuals.
They were use to B1 receiving government crop subsidies, corporate write-offs, etc. Each son could qualify
for many childcare benefits for the children, including paying AW for childcare. In addition both sons would
qualify for the earn child credit, plus food stamps for 6 people. In reality, if it was worked in a way, that in
my opinion AW is very familiar with the basic, free insurance for all. Much, much more money...

I guess I am a little confused as I thought they would just be adding SW (I believe those are the initials used for HR oldest child) into their assistance. Which would mean, SSI, FS, possibly cash assistance, possibly child care and a credit on their taxes of around 2500-3500.

So, let's say 20k a year.

The sentiment behind my statement was how could that be worth killing anyone over? No amount of money from the government (because it's not guaranteed and fluctuates based on cost of living and change of threshold) could every seem like cause.

And, I agree, to normal people no. But, to the perpetrators, it might because obviously, something is wrong with who ever could do this.