OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#48

[rescuemom]

She wasn't wearing them at first. She put them on while she was sitting in the gallery. If she had a medical reason to wear them she would have been wearing them the whole time.

Why would you put on dark sunglasses while sitting in the court gallery? You do it if your playing to the cameras. Same with chomping on gum. Play to the camera.

Then she will look at the video to see how her "performance" panned out, I wouldn't be surprised if she asks her attorneys for their critiques .

totally agree... she loves the attention and has enough of an ego to think she is getting away with something/everything. If I have this all wrong, I apologize but I remember early on reading about one of the boys HR was dating when she was pregnant with CG's baby -- Cory maybe?? his father owned the restoration business -- anyway I remember 'the boy' said he worked at a restaurant owned by the Wagner family (did they own a restaurant at one time??? ) and he said "the grandmother" was weird and nuts!!! At the time I was not familiar with the Wagner family but had read about the Flying W farm and the history of the fire, the horses, etc.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Isn't White Pines an entity of FW? She has several properties and businesses under a White Pines. I suppose there could be more with that name than her properties but it looks like a connection of some kind.

Info on White Pines connected to FW in this article.

Fredericka Wagner: A look at her property and assets

 

[Hatfield]

Thanks everyone for all the updates in this case.

I plan to rely on and read here to have any chance of understanding how the case(s) are proceeding.

Thanks in advance to everyone for all that is shared here. It helps a lot.

 

[Loomis124]

This may be unrelated, but there is a section on this portion of discovery in regards to Latent Prints ran out of WV for Billy, Angela, Jake, and George. Page 6 of the discovery.
Angela Wagner

This is probably unrelated also, but who knows?

Tires | Parkersburg, WV 26101 | Wagner Metro Tire Incorporated

 

[Cool Cats]

My theory has been that early on, the Wagners were feeding BCI and PCSO false information about the surviving Manley and/or Rhoden family members as suspects up to the time of JM's arrest. Perhaps Ryan Scheiderer was the first one who finally figured out the Wagners were lying and leading them astray.

As much as we've seen FW running the show for her family after their arrests, it's logical that she may have been directing the effort to deceive LE with fake leads and info after the murders. She may not have known about the murder plans in advance, but (JMO) she possibly found out her family was involved soon after. With her local Boss Hogg reputation, she may have been using her skills and influence to keep LE running in circles, feeding her family ideas for fake tips, etc. to give investigators during their interviews. It would fit her character, JMO, that she would become angry and develop a major grudge against the investigators who first turned against the Ws. JMO, this is why she's still facing charges. They have more info on her involvement that they're not yet revealing.

MOO

Yes. I actually gave Fred the benefit of the doubt but there is a saying that goes:
"The lady doth protest too much."
The lady doth protest too much.

"The lady doth protest too much" is a quotation from the 1599/ 1600 play Hamlet by William Shakespeare. It has been used as a figure of speech, in various phrasings, to describe someone's too frequent and vehement attempts to convince others of some matter of which the opposite is true, thereby making themselves appear defensive, and insincere.

Fred's attention grabbing interviews at her house..."Hey potential jurors notice me! " And the coy, hand covered whispering, and the attorney arm-swinging theatrics, along with gum chomping and dark unnecessary (indoor) sunglass, adding in the theatrical receipts produced after 8 months, which led to a dramatic Motion of Dismssal, all makes me feel that she is showing her "poker hand" of being quite complicit:

"Involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing".

Thus, her strange efforts to gain support from potential clients and jurors just is ringing hollow for me at this point. I feel it's a path to mislead.

Well, let the truth prevail, whatever it is.

totally agree... she loves the attention and has enough of an ego to think she is getting away with something/everything. If I have this all wrong, I apologize but I remember early on reading about one of the boys HR was dating when she was pregnant with CG's baby -- Cory maybe?? his father owned the restoration business -- anyway I remember 'the boy' said he worked at a restaurant owned by the Wagner family (did they own a restaurant at one time??? ) and he said "the grandmother" was weird and nuts!!! At the time I was not familiar with the Wagner family but had read about the Flying W farm and the history of the fire, the horses, etc.

Yes. Hanna wanted Corey H. to be the father even though CG was the actual father. CG had substance abuse problems and Hanna felt that CH was stepping up to the plate and being there for her as opposed to the actual biological father, CG.

CH's dad owned/worked in a crime scene clean up business. Corey worked in this business also with his dad. Because of this there were rumors early on, that Corey H. himself, was involved in the clean up of the Rhoden/Gilley murder scenes.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

This is probably unrelated also, but who knows?

Tires | Parkersburg, WV 26101 | Wagner Metro Tire Incorporated

Welp. Let me do some digging on ancestry.

 

[OhioBlues]

Here is some help:

George Washington Wagner and Verna Murray Wagner

13 Children: 9 Boys, 4 girls Most were born near Olive Hill, Ky

FW said that she had lived in Pike for 40 years. The first 5 years were at a different address then the last 35 is FWF. Do you know the previous address?

I am still struggling to understand how she was able to obtain the farm in the first place at 36 years old.

 

[Loomis124]

Metal scrapping and improper titles.. those are interesting charges

Below is more on the entities entangled with the TacPro Gear case you referenced earlier. I wonder who all Rita regularly provided notary services to and used the Oak Hill PO Box for as compared to the South Webster PO Box.

I'm still on the fence if any of this could be relevant. It seems pretty far out there given what we have heard so far. It only came to my attention based on the individuals registered to the Oak Hill PO Box.

https://highlandcountypress.com/Con...-multiple-U-S-District-Court-cases/2/20/46647

FBI: Entrepreneur Agreed To Launder Colombian Drug Money Through Texas Residential Development Project

North Texas Luxury Doomsday Resort Files For Bankruptcy

ABINGTON EMERSON CAPITAL, | Case No. 2:17-cv-143. | 20180601h63 | Leagle.com

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dockets.justia.com/docket/ohio/ohsdce/2:2017cv00719/205455?amp

Tujague v. Adkins, Civil Action No. 4:18-CV-631 | Casetext

"flew back and forth between here and Ohio looking for investors to dupe in this scam,"

Edit: SurvivalFoods1 website is on the way back machine if you want to see it. It was prepper foods, solar supplies, etc. The phone number appears to be possibly Parkersburg, WV. The Loys Run address it was connected to is part of the White Pines properties.

SurvivalFoods1 in Piketon , OH

Thanks for all the information! I think there's something to it, I just don't know what. That PO Box just screams for attention, especially with all the illegal stuff involved. Don't know if you saw this in April..

Jackson County Man Charged with Defrauding Investors in $50 Million Ponzi Scheme

 

[OhioBlues]

Hi Betty, I'm under the impression that the receipts from PayPal have been turned over. I know I saw photos of that paper work on SM but still tryin to locate it.
These media stories also say they've been turned over. If I'm incorrect forgive me, tough day here.
"Prosecutors have charged Wagner with lying about purchasing the vests and believed they were used in the Rhoden murders. But Owen provided receipts and information to the court showing the vests were purchased through PayPal on eBay and not Amazon. "
Wagner matriarch returns to court over evidence in Pike County murders

I believe that I saw the PayPal receipts as well but I don't know where. IIRC. JMO.

 

[Sillybilly]

This post lands at random.

Please forego nasty comments of someone's appearance. The individual being ridiculed has done nothing wrong and doesn't deserve it.

 

[Merrygirl]

Maybe all the odd behavior has a purpose. Maybe getting the public to think she is an unusual, forgetful, lil' old lady would help make her look less likely to be guilty of purposely doing things that are not legal. For example, purposely not being truthful to a GJ or to LE. Or, forgetting where she buys things even though she claimed to have receipts that were not turned over like she offered.

This is moo, but I think there is something strange about those receipts. Those are not the originals. I believe someone (perhaps Owen) has contacted PayPal and said “I’ve lost my receipts and wonder if you can send me a copy? ONLY give me receipts for the two BPVs and and maybe throw in the jacket and helmet (just to throw AC off) and I don’t need receipts for the other things. You can just leave those out.” That’s probably why AC said the receipts haven’t been verified. I also would be willing to bet that Fred or Owen didn’t know what the pocket tool was and just allowed it to slip through. This trial is going to be exciting. Can’t wait. Bring it on!!!

 

[Cool Cats]

I believe that I saw the PayPal receipts as well but I don't know where. IIRC. JMO.

Pay Pal receipts....
Motion to Dismiss Fredericka Wagner Charges

 

[OhioBlues]

Pay Pal receipts....
Motion to Dismiss Fredericka Wagner Charges

On May 15, 2019 Owen answered the states request for discovery. That is the receipts etc that I have heard reporters refer to and I have seen somewhere. I can't describe it or it would violate TOS. If someone lived in Pike County and would go get a copy of this it would be great for us all.

 

[almond]

Pay Pal receipts....
Motion to Dismiss Fredericka Wagner Charges

Thank you CC

 

[Loomis124]

There could be no better feeling, and I have it, too! You have been such an encouragement!

 

[Loomis124]

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[Betty P]

Pay Pal receipts....
Motion to Dismiss Fredericka Wagner Charges

Keep in mind, the judge still decided not to dismiss the charges. We'll have to see what develops.

 

[OhioBlues]

Keep in mind, the judge still decided not to dismiss the charges. We'll have to see what develops.

I can't read lips but it appeared to me that the prosecution was more pleased than the defense. It appeared that FW's lawyers would not explain to her what had happened in chambers.

I thought that I read that the Search Warrants went thru all of her business records. Maybe she (or BW) purchased BPV's prior to the murders on a different business account in another form of payment.

The trials should be interesting.

 

[Jayejayehilltop]

This is exactly what I think.

Does anyone still watch the old Andy Griffith black and white reruns? Remember Mrs. LESH, the little old lady that sold Barney that piece of junk car, FW reminds me of Mrs. Lesh.

 

[OhioBlues]

Does anyone still watch the old Andy Griffith black and white reruns? Remember Mrs. LESH, the little old lady that sold Barney that piece of junk car, FW reminds me of Mrs. Lesh.

Yes!