OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#49

[Betty P]

I thought that had already been ruled upon way back in December in all the defendants cases? Weren’t all 4 of the Wagners ordered no contact during their initial hearings?

Yes, but JMO, it wasn't clear exactly who her was referring to the first time the Judge said that. He had to clarify it more specifically at the next pre-trial hearing. IANAL, but that order had to be specifically addressed with each defendant in a hearing or at least that's the way it was done. The initial gag order, when the arrests first took place, applied to LE, prosecutors and defense attorneys. Perhaps one of our verified attorneys here at WS can weigh in on how gag order law applies in Ohio.

 

[Betty P]

I saw the name SM on one doc -- OHLEG Audits SM(3pp) --- don't know what that means ---- but his name was discussed on another board as were many others --- everyone was just guessing at that point.

Do you have a link for that? I'm not sure exactly what document you're referring to. Just curious.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Yes. There is tons in there. Here's what I posted about the Walmarts,
5 Walmarts were "positive" others were "negative" that's how they word it. I'm sure positive means they got evidence of purchases there.

Images of shoes from (4-2-16) (4-15-16) (4-21-16)
Walmart - Coshocton, OH _ 63 Miles ENE of Columbus
23605 Airport Rd
Coshocton, OH

Images and receipts of shoes (no date listed)
Walmart - Heath, OH _ 30 Miles East of Columbus
911 Hebron Road, Heath, OH 43056
Coshocton
OH, 43812

Images of shoes (no date listed)
Walmart - New Boston, OH _ Village in Portsmouth
4490 Gallia Street, New Boston, OH 45662

Images of shoes (no date listed)
Walmart - Newark, OH _ 33 Miles East of Columbus
1315 North 21St Street, Newark, OH 43055

Walmart - Waverly, OH
990 West Emmitt Avenue, Waverly, OH
*******Images of shoes*******
January (2 images)
Febuary (2-22-16) 6 images plus 8 other images
March (3-4-16) 3 images (3-7-16) 3 images and 11 other images
April - (4-7-16) 5 images and 1 receipt, 19 total images

That's a lot of shoes. I wonder if they were changing shoes as they came out of each house before they got back into the vehicle. Maybe putting the bloody ones in plastic bags so they didn't contaminate the vehicle. And maybe wearing different brands of shoes at each house so different footprints would be at each house.
Make it look like a lot of different people?
JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Two-way radio is reasonable for people traveling in a group of vehicles through Canada because there are hundreds and hundreds of miles without cell towers. Usually there's only cell service near larger cities. Even if a motel, RV park or small town offers wi-fi, it's spotty service or quite limited, and often expensive.

Members have previously discussed how limited cell service is in southern Ohio, so CB radio and two-way radio use may be very common around there.

What you say is true. We drove 1200 miles with no cell service almost to the AK border.

JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Is this all your opinion? I’m a mother and I wouldn’t lie for my kid or cover for my kid if they committed murder. Especially not one that resulted in the murder of a 16 year old kid.

I live in a town just like Piketon Ohio about 15 years ago two young kids got married and started life out together, a couple years later the girl decided that she didn’t want to be married no longer to the boy so she divorced him, he couldn’t stand it, she was dating again and he had a mother just like AW, the son demise a plan to get the girl out and to beat her to death with a ball bat and make it look like she was with the wrong crowd, after he killed the girl he went to his mother house, the two got rid of the evidence and worked on his alibi, it took the LE about an year to figure it all out and the mother and son got life with no mercy, so it does happen all over the country, family plotting murders and helping each other’s cover it up, JMO

 

[Momof4RN]

I live in a town just like Piketon Ohio about 15 years ago two young kids got married and started life out together, a couple years later the girl decided that she didn’t want to be married no longer to the boy so she divorced him, he couldn’t stand it, she was dating again and he had a mother just like AW, the son demise a plan to get the girl out and to beat her to death with a ball bat and make it look like she was with the wrong crowd, after he killed the girl he went to his mother house, the two got rid of the evidence and worked on his alibi, it took the LE about an year to figure it all out and the mother and son got life with no mercy, so it does happen all over the country, family plotting murders and helping each other’s cover it up, JMO

Thanks for sharing. I didn’t mean to imply that Mother’s don’t lie for their kids, I just don’t think it’s the norm and i’m Happy to hear that in the case you just detailed the mother faced the same punishment as her son for the coverup which is what I Hope ultimately happens to FW if and when she is tried and convicted for her part in the cover up. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Do you have a link for that? I'm not sure exactly what document you're referring to. Just curious.

Link:
OHLEG Audits SM(3 pp)
https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/5zbix3y0ow6tp04l/images/7-f66b74f151.jpg

Angela Wagner
State 's Supplemental Discovery
March 20

 

[Momof4RN]

Link:
OHLEG Audits SM (3 pp)
https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/5zbix3y0ow6tp04l/images/7-f66b74f151.jpg

Angela Wagner
State 's Supplemental Discovery
March 20

So what does this mean? He’a A witness? There was some sort of communication between him and AW? What does OHLEG Audit mean? And does 3pp mean 3 pages included?

 

[rsd1200]

I live in a town just like Piketon Ohio about 15 years ago two young kids got married and started life out together, a couple years later the girl decided that she didn’t want to be married no longer to the boy so she divorced him, he couldn’t stand it, she was dating again and he had a mother just like AW, the son demise a plan to get the girl out and to beat her to death with a ball bat and make it look like she was with the wrong crowd, after he killed the girl he went to his mother house, the two got rid of the evidence and worked on his alibi, it took the LE about an year to figure it all out and the mother and son got life with no mercy, so it does happen all over the country, family plotting murders and helping each other’s cover it up, JMO

What we rarely ever see is the killing of seven other family members, Uncle, Cousin, Brother, & Friend, in separate houses on separate land. Had they only killed those present at DR's home, I could see this as only custody, and out of necessity, make it look like a robbery gone bad. I've always felt there is something more. Something we won't know til trial.

 

[Cool Cats]

That's a lot of shoes. I wonder if they were changing shoes as they came out of each house before they got back into the vehicle. Maybe putting the bloody ones in plastic bags so they didn't contaminate the vehicle. And maybe wearing different brands of shoes at each house so different footprints would be at each house.
Make it look like a lot of different people?
JMO

Yes, appears to be a mammoth amount of shoes What your saying is the only thing I can think of, that they used multiple different shoes.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

So what does this mean? He’a A witness? There was some sort of communication between him and AW? What does OHLEG Audit mean? And does 3pp mean 3 pages included?

Better not overlook JW on there either.

JMO

 

[Momof4RN]

Better not overlook JW on there either.

JMO

Ya saw that too but again I guess I just don’t understand what any of that means since I don’t know the legal abbreviations. It’s just so odd they r listed with the deceased Rhodens. Maybe another thing that will get answered if and when a trial ever starts.

 

[Momof4RN]

Better not overlook JW on there either.

JMO

Ok found mention of him here on WS a year ago back in thread #33 in reference to the selling of property in Peebles. That was before I started following this case.

 

[Cool Cats]

So what does this mean? He’a A witness? There was some sort of communication between him and AW? What does OHLEG Audit mean? And does 3pp mean 3 pages included?

Betty wanted the link that's why I posted it.
Opinion
He worked for Big Chris that's why there are so many phones listed for him. I don't know what his connection to Angela would be. I've seen his mug shot etc.. The things I've heard about him would be construed as gossip on here so I can't discus it on here.

pp. is the plural of 'p.' and means 'pages'.

"OHLEG-SE is the equivalent of Google for law enforcement"
Search Engine for Law Enforcement in Ohio

"I believe this system is a necessity for all law-enforcement officers in the state," said Petro. "This search engine allows investigators to tap into multiple databases by entering whatever clues they may have, such as a partial license-plate number, to quickly identify suspects."

 

[Berrybell]

Except that this case was investigated by multiple agencies. JMO but I think it’s more likely that someone is trying to get back at Reader and destroy him because of the W family arrests. How convienent that Readers offenses came to light the same month as the arrests. And we already know the Wagner family has been accused of planning retaliation.

BBM
I completely agree with you Momof4RN I do not think Reader planted evidence, there is absolutely no way the sheriff and his team could have planted all the terabytes of evidence, AW shopping at Wal-marts for shoes, pages and pages of text messages, etc, and lets not forget there is DNA evidence. We know Reader didn't plant the BPV because FW admitted to purchasing them herself at the grand jury. And ask yourself why would Reader frame the Wags? The indictment of the sheriff will have little to no effect on the jury due to the overwhelming that we know of. How much more does the prosecution have that we won't see till trial. MOO

 

[Loomis124]

Yes, appears to be a mammoth amount of shoes What your saying is the only thing I can think of, that they used multiple different shoes.

IMO, those boots were searched for online, not actually purchased.

The 4 pairs purchased are in another discovery.

 

[Betty P]

Betty wanted the link that's why I posted it.
Opinion
He worked for Big Chris that's why there are so many phones listed for him. I don't know what his connection to Angela would be. I've seen his mug shot etc.. The things I've heard about him would be construed as gossip on here so I can't discus it on here.

pp. is the plural of 'p.' and means 'pages'.

"OHLEG-SE is the equivalent of Google for law enforcement"
Search Engine for Law Enforcement in Ohio

"I believe this system is a necessity for all law-enforcement officers in the state," said Petro. "This search engine allows investigators to tap into multiple databases by entering whatever clues they may have, such as a partial license-plate number, to quickly identify suspects."

Thanks! We did discuss this a while back and IIRC, it's hard to know what it means WRT the people listed. Audits are when LE goes back to see who queried the background records of certain people. This is an example of someone who was unauthorized doing an OHLEG on a person he wanted to date.

Former police officer pleads guilty to felony charge

JMO an OHLEG audit in this case could mean that LE searched the records of these people, nothing more. It doesn't tell us much at all. In this case, JMO, it would have been standard procedure to check the records of people who knew the victims. Putting it in discovery may just be saying these were the people whose info was searched in the OHLEG database.

 

[Loomis124]

Thanks! We did discuss this a while back and IIRC, it's hard to know what it means WRT the people listed. Audits are when LE goes back to see who queried the background records of certain people. This is an example of someone who was unauthorized doing an OHLEG on a person he wanted to date.

Former police officer pleads guilty to felony charge

JMO an OHLEG audit in this case could mean that LE searched the records of these people, nothing more. It doesn't tell us much at all. In this case, JMO, it would have been standard procedure to check the records of people who knew the victims. Putting it in discovery may just be saying these were the people whose info was searched in the OHLEG database.

IMO, your last two sentences is exactly why it's on the Discovery. I believe these audits were done as part of the investigation, rather than the idea that AW ordered them. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

IMO, those boots were searched for online, not actually purchased.

The 4 pairs purchased are in another discovery.

You don't think she drove to the 5 Walmarts?
They are in the same Discovery but on Page 1.) Walmart shoes on Page 8.)

Page 1.)
https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/5zbix3y0ow6tp04l/images/1

page 8.)
https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/5zbix3y0ow6tp04l/images/8

https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/5zbix3y0ow6tp04l/images/9-905049fd1b.jpg

 

[Momof4RN]

Thanks! We did discuss this a while back and IIRC, it's hard to know what it means WRT the people listed. Audits are when LE goes back to see who queried the background records of certain people. This is an example of someone who was unauthorized doing an OHLEG on a person he wanted to date.

Former police officer pleads guilty to felony charge

JMO an OHLEG audit in this case could mean that LE searched the records of these people, nothing more. It doesn't tell us much at all. In this case, JMO, it would have been standard procedure to check the records of people who knew the victims. Putting it in discovery may just be saying these were the people whose info was searched in the OHLEG database.

Got it! Thanks!