OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #19

[CSIDreamer]

The red building is a pole barn. The basement under her house is mentioned here: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...mes-moved.html

I've got it in my head there was a separate basement under an addition built on the back of the trailer. Does anyone else remember that?

ETA: referencing Dana's trailer as mentioned in quoted reply.

 

[glf]

I don't remember anything about two basements at Dana's. I it seems logical to me that the basement was probably under the add-on room at the back. I t was mentioned that there might be a second basement connecting the house and the red barn, but I don't think that would be practical expense wise. There is more than just "several feet" between the house and barn. You'll see what I mean if you look at some of the aerial shots of Dana's property.
I still feel like LE screwed up when they didn't get blood samples from the dogs. We'll never know what the scenario was with them, unless they learn to talk! Which I wish we could understand them. I stay home most of the time, and Amber chirps and makes whining noises alot, and unfortunately I don't speak cat. She used to go outside when we lived in Kan, but now we live in a lg MH park, and if I let her out she would get confused and lost, so I keep her and the other two inside.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I don't remember anything about two basements at Dana's. I it seems logical to me that the basement was probably under the add-on room at the back. I t was mentioned that there might be a second basement connecting the house and the red barn, but I don't think that would be practical expense wise. There is more than just "several feet" between the house and barn. You'll see what I mean if you look at some of the aerial shots of Dana's property.
I still feel like LE screwed up when they didn't get blood samples from the dogs. We'll never know what the scenario was with them, unless they learn to talk! Which I wish we could understand them. I stay home most of the time, and Amber chirps and makes whining noises alot, and unfortunately I don't speak cat. She used to go outside when we lived in Kan, but now we live in a lg MH park, and if I let her out she would get confused and lost, so I keep her and the other two inside.

I'm thinking the house and barn were two parcels, combined sale though. There's one at 3122 Union Hill Road and one at 2920 Union Hill Road. I'm just positive we discussed the properties weeks ago but I'm going all fuzzy.

 

[glf]

I believe we all decided that the land and home and the extra acreage was purchased together for $60,000.00. Then, unless another home was put on the extra land, there wouldn't be any need to use the other address.

 

[rsd1200]

It is not in my nature to talk with shades of questionable language, but the subject of the dogs at the crime locations
has generated a mild response to the question ,how the killer overcame the problem that the loose barking k-9's
presented..Very simple..Since the killer planned this execution carefully,,he knew where the loose, vicious, dogs
were kept..He needed a distraction for the vicious animals and he found it very simply..at the pike county humane
society..All he had to do was to check the pound on April 21st. and go to the section where female dogs in season
are housed and adopt one. He knew that the dogs that were on tethers barked constantly and posed no problem.
When he drove down to the isolated area where the vicious dogs were loose and could be a problem, the vicious dog
would meet him out on the highway where he had the female dog and bingo,, the vicious dog became distracted. If
L.E. would check records from Pike County "PET PAL"dog pound,,it might be worth their time.jmo

Honestly, I think they underestimated their dogs, and the fact that coon hounds bark SO much that it becomes white noise. Dogs are unpredictable. I've had so many people who would say they've got a bad a$$ dog and it does nothing. Other times, they'll say, oh, Rover? Wouldn't bite flea, and he'll literally turn into Cujo, and try to eat you alive before you get back to the safety of the car/house. I told this on another thread, but, we had pit-mix, when I was a child. Only dog I've ever had, and believe me, I've had a lot of dogs over the years, and this guy was the only one that bit people. He bit people who came onto our property, he went to other people's property and bit them, he bit men, women, children, other dogs. We had to put him up so many times for rabies quarantine I can't even tell you the number. If he felt something or someone needed biting, he bit it/them. I tell you this to say, my childhood home was broken into, and robbed, three different occasions. We walked in on them once. No female dogs around. Our mean ole dog did nothing, zip, nada. They broke in, packed out what they wanted, and left. I'd have sworn he'd have been attached firmly to their leg, til the end. Nope. Btw, he lived to be 17, and was known to be a vicious dog. But he sure wasn't when they packed out all of our stuff. Another occasion he ran down the yard toward a lady walking down the road fixing to get her. We called him back but he didn't come. She had a big walking stick and hit a road sign in front of our house, with it, and said "Git back in your yard!!". He did. lol (P.s. Different time back then. Everyone's dogs roamed loose.)

 

[glf]

Ray, I think you brought up the questions about the dogs, and your scenario would certainly be plausible, especially since as far as we know, nobody was treated at any of the surrounding hospitals for dog bites. No telling if LE thought about that. Guess they could still enquire and have ER records checked for dog bite victims. I l one of the videos taken the day of, there were dogs loose not paying much attn to anybody. That leads me back to food with tranquilizers. That would explain why they appeared so docile! They felt like they were drunk!

 

[rsd1200]

Many members are looking at crime gang / cartel as perpetrators. What in your opinion is the most probable motive?

1) Competition?

IMO, their business was local. Is the local weed business controlled by a crime gang? I would rather be looking at local competitors

2) retaliation for a broken promise / unpaid debt?

There was a good discussion on this forum on the wealth of the family and its lifestyle. We haven't found a lot of money. Also, the market value of the drug left on site is significant.

3) for talking?

It seems to me like a grow local, sell local kind of business. If they were involved in a cocaine network, I could believe it.

what is the history of multiple shootings related to the marijuana business in the US?

The only thing with #3 (I agree w/#1 & #2 for the most part, except maybe a gambling debt). There is an absolute, full-blown, hatred toward someone who has ratted you out, or they find out someone is working w/cops, and their working with them may get you ratted out.

 

[GTAWmom]

Or the fact that they were loose and not paying attention meant they were used to people coming and going and were not all that vicious. I have a Red Nose Pit, male, and a White German Sheppard, female, and they completely guard my house. They take a while to calm down when introducing them to new people. Several hours to get warmed up enough to be completely comfortable but once they know someone they will protect them too and let those people come and go as they please. My dogs are rescues and they were both unsocialised. They would Never allow people they didn't know anywhere near my house or in my fenced in yard they didn't know let alone wander around the property with all that going on. It just doesn't seem to me these dogs have that type of disposition. They seem like they are used to people coming and going along with a lot of automobile movement. I also think that if they were behaving so completely out of character the family present would see that right away and find it very strange.

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[MaryMac250]

There are far easier ways to deal with aggressive dogs, or even just loud barky dogs. Some things that come to mind are: Are we sure they were male? And the female would have to be in heat. But as I said far easier ways to deal with dogs is simply meat. Lots of it. Especially if the dogs were familiar with the intruder (which is what most people seem to think anyway). It could have just been he knocked on the door GR let's him in, dogs run out, shoots GR how ever many times in the living room, then on to the next shoots CR1 9 times probably because he was woken by shots or dogs barking or both. Then moved bodies to the back room. So many different spins one can come up with with out knowing or observing the crime scene but I don't believe the dogs were that much of problem. For whatever reason. I wonder why the dogs weren't tested for tranquilizers of some kind...

1st post on here and first case. I'm riveted. Geekendorx channel from YouTube brought me to check out Websleuths. He has a great show called brainscratch. I suggested this case to him for a show. Anything to bring more attention to this the better. My heart aches for this family. Those lost and those who remain. Hell, the whole town.

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Good for you for suggesting this case to Geekendorx. Wonder why they had not already done it?

 

[GTAWmom]

Good for you for suggesting this case to Geekendorx. Wonder why they had not already done it?

I think most of his brainscratch shows are suggested by fans. He has other types of shows that keep him busy as well. He may have not heard about this yet. I just learned about it from this site. I'm in Chicago he has just moved to Minnesota from L.A. a month or two ago.

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[amauet1]

there are far easier ways to deal with aggressive dogs, or even just loud barky dogs. Some things that come to mind are: Are we sure they were male? And the female would have to be in heat. But as i said far easier ways to deal with dogs is simply meat. Lots of it. Especially if the dogs were familiar with the intruder (which is what most people seem to think anyway). It could have just been he knocked on the door gr let's him in, dogs run out, shoots gr how ever many times in the living room, then on to the next shoots cr1 9 times probably because he was woken by shots or dogs barking or both. Then moved bodies to the back room. So many different spins one can come up with with out knowing or observing the crime scene but i don't believe the dogs were that much of problem. For whatever reason. I wonder why the dogs weren't tested for tranquilizers of some kind...

1st post on here and first case. I'm riveted. Geekendorx channel from youtube brought me to check out websleuths. He has a great show called brainscratch. I suggested this case to him for a show. Anything to bring more attention to this the better. My heart aches for this family. Those lost and those who remain. Hell, the whole town.

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welcome! Welcome!

 

[glf]

GTAWMom, I have personally not heard of that website you mentioned, will have to check it out. However, there was so much shock and disbelief going thru everyone's mind that morn, I doubt if the family paid much attn to the dogs behavior. Especially taking into consideration that LM thought the dogs were missing!
If I had been in their shoes that day, I don't believe I would have given the dogs much thought, unless the ones roaming around were being aggressive toward strangers on the property.
I will always believe until somebody proves otherwise Chris and the killers had a knock down, drag out fight until somebody brought out a gun and took control of the situation by shooting him.
Ray believes the reason behind the murders is the Rhodens, as a whole, did something, wronged somebody, and they decided it was totally unforgivable. We just don't know if it was related to something personal, or a business related issue.

 

[amauet1]

Dudley, sorry I got one of the basements wrong, but glf mentioned she had read about one mentioned going to the pole barn. I have read so many things about this case that my brain swirls with it. I try to provide links, but sometimes I can't find all the articles that I have read. Ray, I welcome all opinions, sometimes I'm sure "I know" this one or that one, is the right one. With not much info to reference, the size of this family, the "business's" they were in, there's so many ways this case could go.

 

[glf]

Well, somebody posted they thought there might be a basement between the house and the barn, but I don't have a clue as to how many threads ago that was. I personally don't think it would be in that location due to the area being so large, a basement that large would cost as much as the house and both of parcels of land! Unless you were going to rent the basement out like an apartment. But I wouldn't want somebody walking thru my house all times of the day and nite, to get to their place!

 

[sumzero]

If these crimes were in some sense "professional", I'd assume the killers were prepared to deal with the dogs. Had they needed to, they could have shot the dogs, I suppose. But maybe the dogs were (as suggested above) meeker than expected and no threat at all.

 

[sumzero]

Ray believes the reason behind the murders is the Rhodens, as a whole, did something, wronged somebody, and they decided it was totally unforgivable. We just don't know if it was related to something personal, or a business related issue.

Did something, said something, or knew something, yes. I think that's been the working assumption for most people since the get-go, unless this was an impulsive act (like a crime of passion, which doesn't seem likely).

 

[glf]

Oh, I agree, this isn't a new theory. It was the way he put it that put my brain back into overdrive! Sometimes, I think others either remind us of reality, or bring us back to reality if we get our brains too full of "out there" theories.

P.S. Like I said before, I will listen to anything anybody has to say, provided somebody doesn't tell me the killers were bumble bees with semi-automatic weapons!

 

[evelezrn]

Wondering if (and I haven't thought this completely through yet)... Wanted to see what y'all think.

Why were CR1 and GR in back room?

Maybe one of them was home and the perp killed that person first (either CR1 or GR). The other of the 2 arrived shortly afterwards. Perp drags first one to back room so 2nd one doesn't see him. Then 2nd one arrives and gets shot too.

He dragged 2nd one to back room too because maybe he's expecting a 3rd to arrive. Maybe the third never gets there.

 

[glf]

And amauet1, somebody done stole all the meat off that bone LE has dangling over our heads!

 

[Jax49]

Is there a reason some people aren't using REPLY WITH QUOTE? If is a great habit to get into. When a thread gets busy it makes a huge difference! If it is used it is easy to click and go back to the original comment if needed.

Thanks.