OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #19

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Rsd1200, above in post 873, you spoke of GM. Was that a typo, or am I just drawing a blank?

 

[rsd1200]

Rsd1200, above in post 873, you spoke of GM. Was that a typo, or am I just drawing a blank?

Typo, sorry, JM.

 

[GTAWmom]

Thanks. That's not the answer to my question.

Is it necesary to know the temperature of the home to establish TOD?

"Loss of body heat. During life the body maintains an approximate temperature of 98.6° F. After death, the body gives off heat until it becomes the same temperature as the surrounding medium. The rate of cooling can be an important measurement in the estimation of time of death and is dependent upon a number of factors. The temperature at the time of death, the temperature of the environment, body covering and clothing and the portion of the body in contact with the surface area."

http://www.practicalhomicide.com/Research/LOmar2007.htm

The temp that night went from 61 to 57 between the hours of 10pm untill about 5am. I found that info here:

http://www.weatherforyou.com/report...ntry=us&month=04&day=22&year=2016&dosubmit=Go

Thanks. That's not the answer to my question.

Is it necesary to know the temperature of the home to establish TOD?

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[GTAWmom]

Good discussion on TOD.

Do we need to know the temp in the home? And if the window is wide open and temperature went from 70 to 40, how is established TOD ?

The temp in the home is an important factor. You can read that here:

http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/e-book/post-mortem-changes/cooling-body

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If I clear my browser history and cookies, it resets for me.

I'm new at this, under Google chrome, says data 44.08mb, cashe 166mb. Under browser, it says cashe 82.02. Are these what I need to reset tablet? Also, under downloads there is a bunch of nonsense that there is no reason to keep, and I need to omit that stuff. I didn't see anything that said clear or delete on that. Should I look again?

 

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Ray, we could really use your expertise and opinions on some of the last few pages of posts!

 

[Minasmom]

I have to start with the motive behind the murders before I can begin to look at perpetrators. Outside of random hits or sociopaths/ serial killers/ mass murderers (which, IMO, does not apply in this case), common motives include love, money, sex and/ or revenge. A previous poster (please forgive me, I forgot who but it was a brilliant call) brought up revenge on LM or others. I hadn't considered that yet. But why revenge on him? I have yet to uncover a reason for that.
The motive(s) I'm between right now are a mixture of money and revenge - and it's tied up (IMO) between the grow operation and the cars. I'm still learning towards someone with LE experience being involved - the murders just seem too quick and too "clean" - almost clinical to me. Just MOO.....

 

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I have to start with the motive behind the murders before I can begin to look at perpetrators. Outside of random hits or sociopaths/ serial killers/ mass murderers (which, IMO, does not apply in this case), common motives include love, money, sex and/ or revenge. A previous poster (please forgive me, I forgot who but it was a brilliant call) brought up revenge on LM or others. I hadn't considered that yet. But why revenge on him? I have yet to uncover a reason for that.
The motive(s) I'm between right now are a mixture of money and revenge - and it's tied up (IMO) between the grow operation and the cars. I'm still learning towards someone with LE experience being involved - the murders just seem too quick and too "clean" - almost clinical to me. Just MOO.....

There are quite a few posters here who lean toward LE involvement pertaining to this case, and the fact that a former cop is already facing two murder chgs. From what I have read, I don't think it was "too clean" but I definitely think the killers were from out of town. Maybe not professional, but not emotionally involved. Right now though, I cannot figure out who could possibly be behind everything. Could be somebody who's never been mentioned.

 

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Slightly off topic, but I am so excited. We saw a video on Lori Heimer (listed below), and supposed to get an update Monday. Lori's murder has reminded me of the Rhoden case, as far as it seems like the killers relocated to Greenland.

 

[Ray Pate]

Gif��For the life of me, I can not offer much help.I think I have it all figured out, but my opinions are restrictions.Some time
past ,, I mentioned an angle that explained controlling the vicious dogs at the scene of the murder. There is no doubt
that 8 people were killed by a precision of one individual, regardless of some nasty spots here or there..I , then,,
said the person had to be knowledgeable of the remote location of the village..He knew the victims and they knew him
to a fault...The critical problem in our discussion here is, this killer could be an altar boy, but have a dark side that
is revealed when he/she gets tangled up in his thinking and feeds his impulses..He must have the knowledge
of weapons and proficient in using those weapons..I can explain where I am convinced this slaughter started and
originated some time in the past and has been simmering long enough for conditions to become desperate and
the call for serious action.The rest of my story is a violation so I must leave it there.jmo

 

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Do you think the babies are actually in danger if their whereabouts were discovered, or do you think the sheriff is being overly cautious, until an arrest is made? As I'm sure you read Dana's dad feels like the babies were not harmed at the time the rest of the family died, and if they had been in danger, they would not have been left alive? FAMILY??

 

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O/T: we need a tablet expert here, today! The last time my husband decided to take things off the computer we never used, he killed it! So I am definitely going to keep him away from my tablet. It is working ok, but I know it's getting cluttered!

 

[CSIDreamer]

I'm new at this, under Google chrome, says data 44.08mb, cashe 166mb. Under browser, it says cashe 82.02. Are these what I need to reset tablet? Also, under downloads there is a bunch of nonsense that there is no reason to keep, and I need to omit that stuff. I didn't see anything that said clear or delete on that. Should I look again?

On my PC, upper right hand corner of the Chrome window there are 3 horizontal lines. I click on that and choose settings. From there ... history. Clear history and when I choose that it asks me what categories to clear, which includes cookies. I hope someone with a tablet can verify if it's the same.

 

[Obiwankenobi]

O/T: we need a tablet expert here, today! The last time my husband decided to take things off the computer we never used, he killed it! So I am definitely going to keep him away from my tablet. It is working ok, but I know it's getting cluttered!

I am only familiar with IPhone and IPad deleting history. What I would do is google "how to clear history on (inset your tablet info). It should give you very easy instructions on how to do it.

 

[Traveller]

Any possibility of CRSR buying foreclosed properties with drug money? Banks laundering money? Or some other scam involving CRSR and property scam involving banks? IMO

 

[jk204]

The temp in the home is an important factor. You can read that here:

http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/e-book/post-mortem-changes/cooling-body

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Thanks!

I think it could be a reason why these homes where taken.

 

[GTAWmom]

Thanks!

I think it could be a reason why these homes where taken.

JMO but I don't believe that the temp that evening could have a great impact on the rate the bodies cooled in this case, but I am far from being an expert.

If I had to guess, they removed the trailers because they believed there was a genuine concern of people poking around in them. Imagine if the killers believed they were onto them and transferred evidence in or out of the trailers. Evidence planting for purposes to frame someone else. Those trailers being left there could not have been completely secured. New evidence from the crime scenes couldn't be trusted in court, and could sway public opinion and could even stir more distrust in LE. Also I'm am almost certain that there is servailence on those properties and where they are being stored along with a log that would have to be filled in for each person entering. So, now even LE would be monitored coming and going and would be restricted for those with authorization only. Where they were originally located left them completely vulnerable. Like I said JMO.

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[GTAWmom]

Without them securing the properties somebody could have went into the trailer/s and collected some DNA to plant on someone else's property...

We know there was blood and lots of it.

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Any possibility of CRSR buying foreclosed properties with drug money? Banks laundering money? Or some other scam involving CRSR and property scam involving banks? IMO

I don't think anything like that was going on, but the longer they drag their heels and tell everybody squat, it could be a possibility.
I think they were mostly concerned about people vandalizing, looking for souvenirs, or possibly setting the homes on fire to try and destroy evidence. And there are people who would steal things just because they could, or destroy things because they think it's fun. I am not necessarily blaming anyone, but it seems like teen-agers and people usually under 21 enjoy tearing things up.
I went to school with some guys, between 15 and 18 who decided it would be cool to tear up people's yard lights. This happened on two or three blocks, and when they were caught, I was really surprised who they were! All were fairly popular, and certainly hadn't been raised to do stupid stuff.

 

[GTAWmom]

I don't think anything like that was going on, but the longer they drag their heels and tell everybody squat, it could be a possibility.
I think they were mostly concerned about people vandalizing, looking for souvenirs, or possibly setting the homes on fire to try and destroy evidence. And there are people who would steal things just because they could, or destroy things because they think it's fun. I am not necessarily blaming anyone, but it seems like teen-agers and people usually under 21 enjoy tearing things up.
I went to school with some guys, between 15 and 18 who decided it would be cool to tear up people's yard lights. This happened on two or three blocks, and when they were caught, I was really surprised who they were! All were fairly popular, and certainly hadn't been raised to do stupid stuff.

I understand vandalism being a concern of the families but the responsibility of protecting their property is their own and not the tax payers. Not to sound insensitive I just don't see the state flipping the bill for that. That is what insurance is for.

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