OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #19

[GeeEm]

True and Charlie is not a lawyer. IMO Charlie has told us a lot more than some of us have comprehended

AGREE

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[Jax49]

True and Charlie is not a lawyer. IMO Charlie has told us a lot more than some of us have comprehended

Anything you can share?

 

[tlcya]

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[Jax49]

Hi Jax49

Not sure if rsd is verified, but is very intuitive about this case.

Thanks ~

I really am surprised we don't have verified insiders or experts. I guess people may be scared. Or confused about the process.

 

[sumzero]

It's just how I feel. The funding for storage was definitely on the basis for protection of evidence. The whole reason for putting that statement out there was for PR. They didn't have to say anything about there reasoning to the public, just like they haven't said anything about anything else. They know people are frustrated so they have to throw a bone every now and then.

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Not sure what you mean by PR, I guess. I think the rather unusual move of relocating all the crime scenes kind of demanded an explanation. Protecting family pictures and heirlooms may not have been the primary reason. But, as I said, I can easily imagine family members being concerned about getting everything back. So, it doesn't seem far-fetched that DeWine took their concerns into consideration.

 

[Tillicum]

I really am surprised we don't have verified insiders or experts. I guess people may be scared. Or confused about the process.

People could be scared but I also think some will be careful not to say anything that could jeopardize the investigation.

 

[GTAWmom]

Public relations. They very well could have told the family without making the statement publicly. I believe a lot of people involved in the case maybe sympathetic to the surviving families with no doubt. But the reasons behind storing those properties where made and approved for the purpose of protecting evidence. The properties physical protection is just a secondary result of that decision. Not reason for. JMO

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[Dudly]

Any possibility of CRSR buying foreclosed properties with drug money? Banks laundering money? Or some other scam involving CRSR and property scam involving banks? IMO

I have been wondering if buying the home DR moved into was a factor. Was that money he received to be used for a different purpose? Was it money owed to someone but used for the home instead of paying whom it was owed? Was it money that was supposed to be split but used instead? Could it be someone else wanted that property and it was bought out from under them. This all happened shortly after that home was bought.

 

[glf]

Public relations. They very well could have told the family without making the statement publicly. I believe a lot of people involved in the case maybe sympathetic to the surviving families with no doubt. But the reasons behind storing those properties where made and approved for the purpose of protecting evidence. The properties physical protection is just a secondary result of that decision. Not reason for. JMO

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I agree, the main purpose of storing all four homes is evidence. LM stated he wouldn't want them after what happened. And, I imagine the rest of the family feels that way. And not trying to be gory, but with no air conditioning in those homes in the summer, no windows open, even if the floors and carpeting were replaced in Chris's house, I would think there would be a lingering odor that might not be removable.
I knew somebody who bought a MH that had been shut up for quite awhile, and, to make things worse, the previous owners were pigs, to put it mildly. She said they hadn't even removed food from the fridge, dirty dishes, clothes, etc. Said it was like they took what they wanted, locked it up and left. She said they ripped the carpeting up and scrubbed the flooring with pine Sol, scrubbed all the paneling, replaced wallpaper in the bathroom. She said it took her and her sister two weeks to do all that. Back in the 60's and70's if there was no central air, the old evaporated water coolers were usually mounted on the roof in the hallway in order to cool the entire house. They even added two bottles pine Sol to the air conditioner and then had to wait a couple of days before she could move in!
And body fluids definitely have strong unpleasant odors, and would probably be harder to remove.
I had a cat die after I went to bed one nite, and there was saliva and drainage from his mouth that smelled pretty bad. I was lucky he had died on the linoleum, so I just scrubbed really well with disinfectant.
The other three homes, which I believe the people were killed in bed could be made liveable again after furniture is removed, but it would take a while to air out, along with alot of thorough cleaning.
The family could probably sell them after all that, but if anyone knew their history probably wouldn't want them either. And if I were a family member and had visited in those homes regularly, I don't think I could live there with the all the memories, and especially knowing my family had been murdered there. Sorry for the "book", but this is the best way I can make my point!

 

[rsd1200]

I have to start with the motive behind the murders before I can begin to look at perpetrators. Outside of random hits or sociopaths/ serial killers/ mass murderers (which, IMO, does not apply in this case), common motives include love, money, sex and/ or revenge. A previous poster (please forgive me, I forgot who but it was a brilliant call) brought up revenge on LM or others. I hadn't considered that yet. But why revenge on him? I have yet to uncover a reason for that.
The motive(s) I'm between right now are a mixture of money and revenge - and it's tied up (IMO) between the grow operation and the cars. I'm still learning towards someone with LE experience being involved - the murders just seem too quick and too "clean" - almost clinical to me. Just MOO.....

Maybe not revenge in the way some folks would think. Nothing to do w/drugs, cars, chickens, etc... Quote: "If they want to shoot me, let them shoot me. I don't give a hoot. They took the best thing in my life," he said . Just think about that statement. I took that to mean DR. I've taken it from the get go that she was the apple of his eye. That's just me though.

 

[amauet1]

I totally agree with you glf! I just wouldn't want to live somewhere where someone was murdered period! I think there were multiple reasons for storing the MH's. The first being they could. Saving the families treasures, pictures, etc. But I think the main reason was so evidence couldn't be destroyed, and I fully believe someone would have burned those places down. I not for sure that the land wouldn't be conviscated after all this, for growing "pot" on it. Who knows? JMO

 

[amauet1]

I agree with that rsd

 

[Tillicum]

I think part of the reason for moving the MHs was to insure that evidence already found and removed will not be obvious to the killers if they were to enter the MHs.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I think part of the reason for moving the MHs was to insure that evidence already found and removed will not be obvious to the killers if they were to enter the MHs.

Can you imagine a jury walkthrough on all that?

 

[glf]

Can you imagine a jury walkthrough on all that?

I remember after the OKC bombing, personal items that were found were placed in Ziploc bags and given to the families. They were told that there were unpleasant odors lingering, and suggested people put Mentholatum in their nostrils before opening anything. Nothing about this case has been funny, but can you imagine being a juror and the court gives out tubes of mentholatum before going into the crime scenes?
When they catch these maggots, I seriously doubt they will be tried in Pike county. So then the courts will have to transport the jurors to Waverly for a walkthrough of the crime scenes. This has been a huge mess since day one, and I think the trial might be an even bigger mess before this is all over.

 

[Dudly]

I agree, the main purpose of storing all four homes is evidence. LM stated he wouldn't want them after what happened. And, I imagine the rest of the family feels that way. And not trying to be gory, but with no air conditioning in those homes in the summer, no windows open, even if the floors and carpeting were replaced in Chris's house, I would think there would be a lingering odor that might not be removable.
I knew somebody who bought a MH that had been shut up for quite awhile, and, to make things worse, the previous owners were pigs, to put it mildly. She said they hadn't even removed food from the fridge, dirty dishes, clothes, etc. Said it was like they took what they wanted, locked it up and left. She said they ripped the carpeting up and scrubbed the flooring with pine Sol, scrubbed all the paneling, replaced wallpaper in the bathroom. She said it took her and her sister two weeks to do all that. Back in the 60's and70's if there was no central air, the old evaporated water coolers were usually mounted on the roof in the hallway in order to cool the entire house. They even added two bottles pine Sol to the air conditioner and then had to wait a couple of days before she could move in!
And body fluids definitely have strong unpleasant odors, and would probably be harder to remove.
I had a cat die after I went to bed one nite, and there was saliva and drainage from his mouth that smelled pretty bad. I was lucky he had died on the linoleum, so I just scrubbed really well with disinfectant.
The other three homes, which I believe the people were killed in bed could be made liveable again after furniture is removed, but it would take a while to air out, along with alot of thorough cleaning.
The family could probably sell them after all that, but if anyone knew their history probably wouldn't want them either. And if I were a family member and had visited in those homes regularly, I don't think I could live there with the all the memories, and especially knowing my family had been murdered there. Sorry for the "book", but this is the best way I can make my point!

The best thing that could be done is burn them to the ground. You would likey have to gut them and replace most of the interior. Once they were boarded up there was no where for any odors to escape. It is likely food was still in them with no electricity.

 

[Tillicum]

I remember after the OKC bombing, personal items that were found were placed in Ziploc bags and given to the families. They were told that there were unpleasant odors lingering, and suggested people put Mentholatum in their nostrils before opening anything. Nothing about this case has been funny, but can you imagine being a juror and the court gives out tubes of mentholatum before going into the crime scenes?
When they catch these maggots, I seriously doubt they will be tried in Pike county. So then the courts will have to transport the jurors to Waverly for a walkthrough of the crime scenes. This has been a huge mess since day one, and I think the trial might be an even bigger mess before this is all over.

Just curious, why do you think they won't be tried in Pike County?

 

[mamamumbles]

They would not have a fair trial in Pike county. I'm sure they would ask for a change and it would probably be granted.

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[glf]

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The best thing that could be done is burn them to the ground. You would likey have to gut them and replace most of the interior. Once they were boarded up there was no where for any odors to escape. It is likely food was still in them with no electricity.

I agree. That's why I referred back to my friend who now lives in Calif. Everything she had to go through to live in her home, and the unpleasant body fluid odor would be harder to remove. The protein odor from dried blood makes me kind of queasy. I would hate to try to live anywhere I could even remotely sense that odor.

 

[Tillicum]

They would not have a fair trial in Pike county. I'm sure they would ask for a change and it would probably be granted.

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If the perps are local I think they'll want the trial in Pike County.