OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #27

[Betty P]

More because they packed all their stuff before they took off. Pretty clear they're running from something. Question is are they running from LE or a threat? My guess is the former.

This. Wondering if its possible some had assistance from inside LE and had advance notice the raid was coming. Not sure, but it's possible. It's happened before and not impossible to think a wealthy, powerful family in that area might have that kind of access.

 

[sidv41]

Disagree. I think KR was killed after the other murders. By someone that heard the killings described as "execution style" and assumed one head shot. By someone who knew KR was known to have cash on hand and used the cover of the other murders to take the cash for themselves.

It's really the only explanation why it took so long for his body to be "found".

I agree that KR was killed last. I can't see that seven people could be killed by someone and then another independent person could get the word that the family was executed and then go and execute KR in the time frame. It is a small place though I believe. Anything is possible. IMO KR was collateral damage due to his relationship with the others.

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[MJKTOOL]

This. Wondering if its possible some had assistance from inside LE and had advance notice the raid was coming. Not sure, but it's possible. It's happened before and not impossible to think a wealthy, powerful family in that area might have that kind of access.

Either that or JM told him when he found the tracker and he knew the noose was tightening. I do believe in coincidences, but there's been far too much revealed this past week to think it's mere coincidence any longer.

1. JM and JW texted at the most likely time the murders were happening

2. JM wife was texting DR in that same time frame

3. After JM finds tracking device JW packs in an obvious rush and disappears to parts unknown.

No way that's mere coincidence.

 

[MJKTOOL]

I agree that KR was killed last. I can't see that seven people could be killed by someone and then another independent person could get the word that the family was executed and then go and execute KR in the time frame. It is a small place though I believe. Anything is possible. IMO KR was collateral damage due to his relationship with the others.

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I'll just say that I don't think the body was "found". It's either that or he was an accomplice and he was killed by whomever the other killers were without the obvious anger that the rest of the family was killed with.

 

[sidv41]

I'll just say that I don't think the body was "found". It's either that or he was an accomplice and he was killed by whomever the other killers were without the obvious anger that the rest of the family was killed with.

I agree with last two lines hence my collateral damage theory. JMO

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[Betty P]

Either that or JM told him when he found the tracker and he knew the noose was tightening. I do believe in coincidences, but there's been far too much revealed this past week to think it's mere coincidence any longer.

1. JM and JW texted at the most likely time the murders were happening

2. JM wife was texting DR in that same time frame

3. After JM finds tracking device JW packs in an obvious rush and disappears to parts unknown.

No way that's mere coincidence.

Of course that's also possible. But JW put his house on the market long before then, before he was even on the public radar. JMO, someone in law enforcement may have given him a heads up that he was part of the investigation.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Of course that's also possible. But JW put his house on the market long before then, before he was even on the public radar. JMO, someone in law enforcement may have given him a heads up that he was part of the investigation.

I noticed that as well.

I believe there is something to these W family searches. With a search warrant, what is required to then follow with a seizure of property? Do they have to find something relevant to the warrants orders? What are your thoughts on authorities taking the one trailer, as a whole with its contents?


"who owns the state Route 41 site visited by investigators during their search for evidence Friday and Saturday, said authorities searched two large trailers and took one smaller utility trailer owned by the Wagners, a local family."

http://www.wcpo.com/news/crime/auth...-of-pike-county-massacre-victims-ex-boyfriend

 

[Damarna]

There is something about KR's murder that just nags at me. I can't put my finger on it...

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[MJKTOOL]

Of course that's also possible. But JW put his house on the market long before then, before he was even on the public radar. JMO, someone in law enforcement may have given him a heads up that he was part of the investigation.

True, but selling it for $10,000 less than they paid for it tells me they wanted out in a hurry.

Have they said when the property was put on the market?

 

[grillzgirl]

There is something about KR's murder that just nags at me. I can't put my finger on it...

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Same here. I've felt this way all along. Nothing specific, it just doesn't fit in my mind.

 

[Agent.99]

This. Wondering if its possible some had assistance from inside LE and had advance notice the raid was coming. Not sure, but it's possible. It's happened before and not impossible to think a wealthy, powerful family in that area might have that kind of access.

I would suspect at least one of the W's was the subject of a Polygraph. For all we know a dozen other R's, W's and G's were as well. We only know about JM and BJM because Len told us so. It is possible the W's were feeling LE pressure that we were not privy to. I'm still puzzled by why they left their belongings with a friend rather than a relative. That's why I had questioned if there was any reason to believe that line of W's was a little estranged from the rest of the family.

 

[Dudly]

I agree, Audrey. It just doesn't feel right. It seems the press are badgering Leonard. And the questions-could they be any more on the nose? "How does it feel after 13 months for no one to be arrested yet...?" I think we all know that he's sure not doing a happy dance!!! He's been through so, so much. The press could at least be less insulting in their questions. They are like vultures.

I think they are focusing on the LM family because they are most likely the people who would, know the dogs, know where cameras were located, know the work schedules, already have their DNA all over all the scenes, get easy access, etc.. That does not make them guilty but they are the only people LE knows that fit so many parameters...

 

[Tiff23fr]

True, but selling it for $10,000 less than they paid for it tells me they wanted out in a hurry.

Have they said when the property was put on the market?

https://www.redfin.com/OH/Peebles/260-Peterson-Rd-45660/home/78937969

The listing details are included. I'm not sure how to follow the price changes because I'm not sure if additional acreage may have been included or removed along the way.

 

[Betty P]

True, but selling it for $10,000 less than they paid for it tells me they wanted out in a hurry.

Have they said when the property was put on the market?

I don't recall, it was in an online listing. I'm in and out of here this morning but can look it up later. Yes, they took a loss on the home (sold on March 10), so they knew months ago that some real heat was coming down from LE.

It would also be interesting to know when they hired an attorney. Assume that's already happened. If they have an attorney, they may have gotten early warning through them. DeWine and Reader were trying to keep things quiet, but apparently something leaked or these people wouldn't have put their home on the market. Could be they were spooked by LE interviews or a previous search of their property. Assume DeWine & Reader were disappointed that JW got out of town before the raid, but maybe not. Maybe JW's attorney talked to LE and said "Look, they're selling and leaving town. You can come in after that and do a big search."

My other question: How did LE know to search the Brown property? Assume they tracking JW before the raid, so why didn't they stop them from leaving town?

 

[IceIce9]

I'll just say that I don't think the body was "found". It's either that or he was an accomplice and he was killed by whomever the other killers were without the obvious anger that the rest of the family was killed with.

I have always thought KR was killed, not as a piece of the other 7 murder scheme, but separately.

KR's murder didn't match the other murders.

My theories:

1. He was killed to make the crimes appear to be drug cartel, thus the scattering of cash around his body (cartel "statement")

2. He was an accomplice.

3. He was killed as simply robbery, as a crime of opportunity, because the killers knew he kept large amounts of cash.

 

[WVWoman]

I don't recall, it was in an online listing. I'm in and out of here this morning but can look it up later. Yes, they took a loss on the home (sold on March 10), so they knew months ago that some real heat was coming down from LE.

It would also be interesting to know when they hired an attorney. Assume that's already happened. If they have an attorney, they may have gotten early warning through them. DeWine and Reader were trying to keep things quiet, but apparently something leaked or these people wouldn't have put their home on the market. Could be they were spooked by LE interviews or a previous search of their property. Assume DeWine & Reader were disappointed that JW got out of town before the raid, but maybe not. Maybe JW's attorney talked to LE and said "Look, they're selling and leaving town. You can come in after that and do a big search."

My other question: How did LE know to search the Brown property? Assume they tracking JW before the raid, so why didn't they stop them from leaving town?

Only one question ...how would they legally keep them from leaving town? No arrest warrant ,nothing.
They are as free to leave town as I assume you are.


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[Betty P]

https://www.redfin.com/OH/Peebles/260-Peterson-Rd-45660/home/78937969

The listing details are included. I'm not sure how to follow the price changes because I'm not sure if additional acreage may have been included or removed along the way.

Thanks! It was first listed August 27, 2016

 

[MJKTOOL]

I have always thought KR was killed, not as a piece of the other 7 murder scheme, but separately.

KR's murder didn't match the other murders.

My theories:

1. He was killed to make the crimes appear to be drug cartel, thus the scattering of cash around his body (cartel "statement")

2. He was an accomplice.

3. He was killed as simply robbery, as a crime of opportunity, because the killers knew he kept large amounts of cash.

#3 has been my thought since the beginning. There's a pretty obvious suspect as well IMO.

 

[Betty P]

Only one question ...how would they legally keep them from leaving town? No arrest warrant ,nothing.
They are as free to leave town as I assume you are.


[emoji237]Always My Own Opinion[emoji4]

We don't know. Legally speaking, they may not have been able to, but they could have done those extensive searches earlier and possibly retrieved enough evidence to warrant some kind of charge. Recall they arrested JM on a minor charge, they could have done the same with JM. I just have a gut feeling JW, through money and legal help, has better access to and control of the system, allowing him to get out of town early.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Honestly I don't see how sticking a tracking device on the truck gleaned much information. Unless, they thought that truck may make a visit to its prior owner, and since they feel the truck was possibly used in the commission of the murders, that would be interesting information. The tracking device, I think, was something they came up with to stir stuff up. They know who previously owned that truck. What is that person doing now? Where are they? Did all of this stuff suddenly hitting the news make them previous truck owner uncomfortable?

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Click here: Rhoden relative charged with evidence tampering in Pike County Massacre posts bond
However if James Manley knows something about the killings, the charges and subsequent jailing are a way to pressure on him to divulge information to investigators, said attorney Mike Allen, Hamilton County’s former prosecutor.
“If he was inclined to talk, or if he was on the fence about it,” Allen said, “then a jail cell might push him along with that.”
Manley faces up to four years in prison on the two felony charges.