OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #28

[rsd1200]

I have been thinking what the motive could be. Drugs? Money? But neither of those made sense.
What about this and this is purely speculation I'm not accusing anyone of anything-I believe there was history or at least rumors of sex abuse with the old man Rhoden. A lot of times ppl abused will abuse. What if the someone thought there was sex abuse going on at the home and that nobody was doing anything to stop it? If someone had a child living there and thought/suspected she was being abused and nobody was protecting her that would be enough to want to kill the abuser and anyone who was allowing it yet not kill the little ones.

I've wondered on that. It's not been a top theory but when Reader said that it's more than a couple little pot grows or a possible stolen car or two on the property, it's deeper than that (loosely quoted), that's where my mind went to first. It's not been a top theory b/c I really, really, hope that's not the case. HMR looked so sad in many of her photos though and I've wondered, what was going on with her, especially with some of her memes. Many times we just like a quote and share it, but often it has a deeper meaning.

 

[Dudly]

Montgomery County in Ohio is most Opioid addicted county in America...

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/inside-america-s-most-opioid-addicted-county-970744899513

 

[IceIce9]

“They have nothing,” Fredericka Wagner said Tuesday in a Dayton Daily News interview. “Their searches have turned up zilch. Nothing. And they aren’t going to either because Jake had nothing to do with it.”

Grandma, what about the rest of the family? You only said "Jake had nothing to do with it".

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/ne...vestigators-want-know/u0j6B0ClMU9UbdLsQvYdpK/

Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk

Interesting that she said, "Jake had nothing to do with it" instead of "none of them had nothing to do with it" or "the family had nothing to do with it."

Did Grandma mention Jake because certain thoughts have crossed her mind, even if she didn't believe it? Because LE has always, at least to my knowledge, mentioned the entire family as a foursome rather than singling out Jake.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.

 

[molly1255]

I have been thinking what the motive could be. Drugs? Money? But neither of those made sense.
What about this and this is purely speculation I'm not accusing anyone of anything-I believe there was history or at least rumors of sex abuse with the old man Rhoden. A lot of times ppl abused will abuse. What if the someone thought there was sex abuse going on at the home and that nobody was doing anything to stop it? If someone had a child living there and thought/suspected she was being abused and nobody was protecting her that would be enough to want to kill the abuser and anyone who was allowing it yet not kill the little ones.

This is interesting. It struck me that HR seemed very unhappy and depressed in many of her fb posts, and she even posting sayings about darkness and demons.

I could be wrong, but I felt there was something more going on than angst over boyfriend problems, breakups, etc. There just seemed to be a very pervasive kind of sadness in her soul that I picked up on. Her longest relationship was with JW, and if she had experienced a damaging trauma in her life, she may have confided in him.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Montgomery County in Ohio is most Opioid addicted county in America...

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/inside-america-s-most-opioid-addicted-county-970744899513

Nine deaths in 47 minutes on one street. That is so sad. Everyone who has lost a person to overdose should start a lawsuit against the pharmaceutical companies peddling opioids.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

This is interesting. It struck me that HR seemed very unhappy and depressed in many of her fb posts, and she even posting sayings about darkness and demons.

I could be wrong, but I felt there was something more going on than angst over boyfriend problems, breakups, etc. There just seemed to be a very pervasive kind of sadness in her soul that I picked up on. Her longest relationship was with JW, and if she had experienced a damaging trauma in her life, she may have confided in him.

It crossed my mind that little SW may have said something to the W's that they chose to interpret as that. In custody cases that "he/she molested/abused the kids" is a real popular item right now.

But me, I just think the W's had this beautiful life planned in Alaska and had no intention of leaving any grandchildren behind in Ohio.

The other child's mother is one lucky lady in my opinion. But then maybe her family wasn't the rough and tumble kind like the R's and she was too intimidated to say no.

 

[Audrey Horne]

It crossed my mind that little SW may have said something to the W's that they chose to interpret as that. In custody cases that "he/she molested/abused the kids" is a real popular item right now.

But me, I just think the W's had this beautiful life planned in Alaska and had no intention of leaving any grandchildren behind in Ohio.

The other child's mother is one lucky lady in my opinion. But then maybe her family wasn't the rough and tumble kind like the R's and she was too intimidated to say no.

I agree entirely. The perps (if it happened this way) were going to have it their way, were used to having their way, and were willing to do whatever it took to get their way. It happens a lot in custody cases and other domestic/familial conflicts, as we can see all over this forum.

 

[crystal72]

Nine deaths in 47 minutes on one street. That is so sad. Everyone who has lost a person to overdose should start a lawsuit against the pharmaceutical companies peddling opioids.

I'm an opiate addict-I've been clean a few years now but started after surgery. How I'm alive now is the grace of god. It was nothing for me to take 20-25 of the strongest loretabs before I moved up to icy. They are horribly addictive. I call them the miracle drug ( I know that sounds horrible) because it's miraculous how they combat pain like nothing else by it's a miracle if you can break the addiction.
I do think these drug companies have a responsibility to try to add something to help stop the addictng components in them
When I tried to stop the withdraw pain was literally worse than child birth as well as the mental pain. You actually feel like you are bursting through your skin. It's horrific and the withdraws are why most can't stop unless you find a dr that can prescribe suboxone. There are so many restrictions on the drs it's hard to find one that can write them and then even wth good insurance it was costing me 300-400 a month supply.
Btw another misconception many have is its drug addicts that try these- I have a very good job and many of us are professionals, drs, lawyers I even met a judge at one meeting. It's a horrible epidemic

 

[Jleeryan99]

Charges just popped up on the Pike County Jail Population page. "Funding of drug trafficking", some have "obstruction of justice" also.

I don't know much about the law, but I've never heard of funding of drug trafficking as a charge. Its listed as a Felony 1.

I believe the plot is thickening and more is about to be revealed.


http://wp2.pikecosheriff.com/?page_id=893

 

[rsd1200]

It crossed my mind that little SW may have said something to the W's that they chose to interpret as that. In custody cases that "he/she molested/abused the kids" is a real popular item right now.

But me, I just think the W's had this beautiful life planned in Alaska and had no intention of leaving any grandchildren behind in Ohio.

The other child's mother is one lucky lady in my opinion. But then maybe her family wasn't the rough and tumble kind like the R's and she was too intimidated to say no.

We can't get a great interpretation from the one post and hearsay but from my understanding she had visits with the child. Just b/c one parent has sole custody doesn't mean they get to pack that child off to other states. I'm pretty sure those two were married too. So a court may have been involved in custody and visitation. The other parent has to either give consent or a judge determines consent. Maybe she gave consent. Maybe her other child's recent illness has distracted her, and she didn't realize they were moving, until they moved.

 

[Jleeryan99]

I googled it. Funding of drug trafficking in Ohio carries mandatory prison sentences. Either they have something significant on them or they are shaking the tree hard to see what falls out.

 

[Betty P]

I'm an opiate addict-I've been clean a few years now but started after surgery. How I'm alive now is the grace of god. It was nothing for me to take 20-25 of the strongest loretabs before I moved up to icy. They are horribly addictive. I call them the miracle drug ( I know that sounds horrible) because it's miraculous how they combat pain like nothing else by it's a miracle if you can break the addiction.
I do think these drug companies have a responsibility to try to add something to help stop the addictng components in them
When I tried to stop the withdraw pain was literally worse than child birth as well as the mental pain. You actually feel like you are bursting through your skin. It's horrific and the withdraws are why most can't stop unless you find a dr that can prescribe suboxone. There are so many restrictions on the drs it's hard to find one that can write them and then even wth good insurance it was costing me 300-400 a month supply.
Btw another misconception many have is its drug addicts that try these- I have a very good job and many of us are professionals, drs, lawyers I even met a judge at one meeting. It's a horrible epidemic

Thanks for sharing with us. A lot of us have no idea how opiate addiction happens to otherwise mentally healthy people living productive lives. I'm so grateful no one in our family has fallen victim after being treated for post-surgical pain. I feel lucky that most prescription pain meds give me very severe nausea. I ended up managing pain from a bilateral mastectomy with Tylenol 2 and Advil.

I'd do anything I could to help end the opiod epidemic. I feel so badly for people who do become addicted because, as you say, in most cases it's the result of highly addictive drugs prescribed for a serious health condition. Are there enough inpatient clinics for addicts to go to for medical assistance during withdrawal? Would it help if there were more places where people could check in and get suboxone to help? Throwing people in jail just doesn't seem to be working.

 

[evelezrn]

THANK YOU. Takes courage to share this with us.

 

[molly1255]

Nine deaths in 47 minutes on one street. That is so sad. Everyone who has lost a person to overdose should start a lawsuit against the pharmaceutical companies peddling opioids.

How are these people getting these drugs? There are now serious regulations in place about prescribing and filling and doctors and pharmacies are very careful about the distribution of these drugs. At least where I live. Maybe I'm naive, but I really do not understand how this has gotten so out of control.

 

[Betty P]

I googled it. Funding of drug trafficking in Ohio carries mandatory prison sentences. Either they have something significant on them or they are shaking the tree hard to see what falls out.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2925.05

2925.05 Funding, aggravated funding of drug or marihuana trafficking.

(A) No person shall knowingly provide money or other items of value to another person with the purpose that the recipient of the money or items of value use them to obtain any controlled substance for the purpose of violating section 2925.04 of the Revised Code or for the purpose of selling or offering to sell the controlled substance in the following amount:

(1) If the drug to be sold or offered for sale is any compound, mixture, preparation, or substance included in schedule I or II, with the exception of marihuana, cocaine, L.S.D., heroin, and hashish, or schedule in, IV, or V, an amount of the drug that equals or exceeds the bulk amount of the drug;

(2) If the drug to be sold or offered for sale is marihuana or a compound, mixture, preparation, or substance other than hashish containing marihuana, an amount of the marihuana that equals or exceeds two hundred grams;

(3) If the drug to be sold or offered for sale is cocaine or a compound, mixture, preparation, or substance containing cocaine, an amount of the cocaine that equals or exceeds five grams;

(4) If the drug to be sold or offered for sale is L.S.D. or a compound, mixture, preparation, or substance containing L.S.D., an amount of the L.S.D. that equals or exceeds ten unit doses if the L.S.D. is in a solid form or equals or exceeds one gram if the L.S.D. is in a liquid concentrate, liquid extract, or liquid distillate form;

(5) If the drug to be sold or offered for sale is heroin or a compound, mixture, preparation, or substance containing heroin, an amount of the heroin that equals or exceeds ten unit doses or equals or exceeds one gram;

(6) If the drug to be sold or offered for sale is hashish or a compound, mixture, preparation, or substance containing hashish, an amount of the hashish that equals or exceeds ten grams if the hashish is in a solid form or equals or exceeds two grams if the hashish is in a liquid concentrate, liquid extract, or liquid distillate form.

Subsection C - sounds like this applies to the "aggravated" portion of charges; does it sound like they're referring to people giving money to purchase items used in the manufacture, etc. of some kind of Schedule 1 or 2 drug?

(C)

(1) If the drug involved in the violation is any compound, mixture, preparation, or substance included in schedule I or II, with the exception of marihuana, whoever violates division (A) of this section is guilty of aggravated funding of drug trafficking, a felony of the first degree, and, subject to division (E) of this section, the court shall impose as a mandatory prison term one of the prison terms prescribed for a felony of the first degree.

Could this be busting someone for buying the raw materials used to make meth? If they can't get someone for possession, etc, they bust them for buying stuff to make it? It could be one way to get people to come in and tell what they know about the Rhoden murders? IDK.

 

[Jleeryan99]

( suppose the arrests yesterday and last night could be a round up of meth cookers and not related to the R investigation, , but It's a pretty big coincidence for this to happen right when it seems like the investigation is heating up. Considering most if not all of those arrested have connections with AW in some way, it seems related to me.

 

[Dudly]

I'm an opiate addict-I've been clean a few years now but started after surgery. How I'm alive now is the grace of god. It was nothing for me to take 20-25 of the strongest loretabs before I moved up to icy. They are horribly addictive. I call them the miracle drug ( I know that sounds horrible) because it's miraculous how they combat pain like nothing else by it's a miracle if you can break the addiction.
I do think these drug companies have a responsibility to try to add something to help stop the addictng components in them
When I tried to stop the withdraw pain was literally worse than child birth as well as the mental pain. You actually feel like you are bursting through your skin. It's horrific and the withdraws are why most can't stop unless you find a dr that can prescribe suboxone. There are so many restrictions on the drs it's hard to find one that can write them and then even wth good insurance it was costing me 300-400 a month supply.
Btw another misconception many have is its drug addicts that try these- I have a very good job and many of us are professionals, drs, lawyers I even met a judge at one meeting. It's a horrible epidemic

I've been lucky I guess. I've been on about every kind of pain meds there is over the years. I've always been more likely to forget to take them than to take them too often or too much of them. The last time I had a prescription I had to take urine specimens to prove I was taking them and not selling them.

 

[everybodhi]

Thanks for sharing with us. A lot of us have no idea how opiate addiction happens to otherwise mentally healthy people living productive lives. I'm so grateful no one in our family has fallen victim after being treated for post-surgical pain. I feel lucky that most prescription pain meds give me very severe nausea. I ended up managing pain from a bilateral mastectomy with Tylenol 2 and Advil.

I'd do anything I could to help end the opiod epidemic. I feel so badly for people who do become addicted because, as you say, in most cases it's the result of highly addictive drugs prescribed for a serious health condition. Are there enough inpatient clinics for addicts to go to for medical assistance during withdrawal? Would it help if there were more places where people could check in and get suboxone to help? Throwing people in jail just doesn't seem to be working.

There are not enough treatment facilities available unless you have thousands or even hundreds of thousands out of pocket, a lot of insurance doesn't cover or is not accepted. For instance, medicaid is not accepted in most facilities and the ones that accept it have long waiting lists, so poor people have no options.
When one of my family members became addicted, we paid $32,000 for rehab, upfront, cash or credit card accepted, and that was cheap.

Doctors have to take an 8 hour class and get a special number from the DEA to prescribe suboxone and then they are limited to 30 patients, I'm in the SF Bay Area where we have a lot of medical providers compared to rural areas and it is very hard to find a suboxone doctor in the area that takes new patients, when a new doctor gets approved, they fill up their 30 patient quota in a minute.
https://www.naabt.org/faq_answers.cfm?ID=29

Another problem with suboxone, the company that created it switched from a pill (which they stopped distributing in the US) to a dissolving film as soon as their patent wore off which would have opened up the market to cheaper generics as it is very expensive, about $400 a month, cash. 36 states are suing the company over the patent issue.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-suboxone-lawsuit-20160922-story.html

On top of all that, states have put additional restrictions on prescribing, causing suboxone to be one of the most "abused" drugs out there. People that have a prescription take less than prescribed and sell the rest to other needy addicts, so now a drug used to get them off opiates is considered abused if you do it without a prescription.
http://wate.com/2015/08/28/new-tennessee-law-puts-restrictions-on-suboxone-subutex-prescribing/

Suboxone is highly "abused" in jails, the few who have scripts share with those who don't.
http://fox59.com/2017/02/03/indiana...-the-center-of-states-drug-trafficking-issue/

There is another problem too, some judges and state lawmakers are against any kind of replacement drug for addiction treatment, believing "cold turkey" is the only way to go.
Addiction specialists know, taking away the craving while an addict recovers saves lives. Period.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/promising-heroin-treatment-unavailable-in-many-states/

 

[rsd1200]

I'm an opiate addict-I've been clean a few years now but started after surgery. How I'm alive now is the grace of god. It was nothing for me to take 20-25 of the strongest loretabs before I moved up to icy. They are horribly addictive. I call them the miracle drug ( I know that sounds horrible) because it's miraculous how they combat pain like nothing else by it's a miracle if you can break the addiction.
I do think these drug companies have a responsibility to try to add something to help stop the addictng components in them
When I tried to stop the withdraw pain was literally worse than child birth as well as the mental pain. You actually feel like you are bursting through your skin. It's horrific and the withdraws are why most can't stop unless you find a dr that can prescribe suboxone. There are so many restrictions on the drs it's hard to find one that can write them and then even wth good insurance it was costing me 300-400 a month supply.
Btw another misconception many have is its drug addicts that try these- I have a very good job and many of us are professionals, drs, lawyers I even met a judge at one meeting. It's a horrible epidemic

Thank you for sharing. Good to hear that you're doing well. Hang in there.

BBM
How true both of these statements are. Now the F.D.A.'s approved prescribing OxyContin to children as young as 11. I don't want to see cancer patients, and people who've been in horrific wrecks, and nerve pain sufferers, to suffer, at all, but docs were getting kickbacks and began prescribing them for anything and everything and, as you said, they are super addictive. Big Pharma wants our money they don't care about us.

 

[rsd1200]

Charges just popped up on the Pike County Jail Population page. "Funding of drug trafficking", some have "obstruction of justice" also.

I don't know much about the law, but I've never heard of funding of drug trafficking as a charge. Its listed as a Felony 1.

I believe the plot is thickening and more is about to be revealed.


http://wp2.pikecosheriff.com/?page_id=893

No person shall knowingly provide money or other items of value to another person with the purpose that the recipient of the money or items of value use them to obtain any controlled substance for the purpose of violating section 2925.04 of the Revised Code or for the purpose of selling or offering to sell the controlled substance in the following amount

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2925.05