OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #29

[rsd1200]

Their overdose rate for tonight (9 overdoses and 1 death per 22,000 people) is significantly lower than in my area on most days. No Konvicted Family or Mexican gangs selling hot shots exist in my area, yet addicts still overdose and die. I'm personally sick of LE essentially enabling addicts by blaming heroin dealers and even doctors. Addicts cannot become clean until they take complete responsibility for their own addiction. They search out dealers, pay for their bags, cook their heroin, and then inject themselves. Gangs and doctors don't force them to do this.

Big Pharma gives docs kickbacks for prescribing the pills, that are known to be highly addictive, for reasons that it was not made for, and oxy has now been approved by the FDA to be provided to children as young as 11. Withdrawal itself can be so dangerous, (even with alcoholics), that they have to be placed in the hospital and medically taken through the beginning withdrawal and Delirium tremens, so that they do not die, b/c they can become so frail that their body and organs cannot withstand what they will go through. I have seen that with alcoholics. Heroin is said to be some of the most horrible pain one can feel when going into withdrawal. Why else would someone risk their life, like Russian Roulette, to get a hit?

I've seen people do things that I'd have never thought, b/c they got hooked on pills and then the docs yanked them off, and Heroin, or other street drugs, was the closest thing, or the thing, to what they were prescribed. I feel bad for addicts. I'd never want to go through feeling like that whole life's focus was wondering where my next hit was coming from, and wondering if it would kill me next time, but the pain was so great that I'd take that chance. My friend's adult child is going through this. This is a man who held a high position in the military. Retired with full benefits and an honorable discharge. No one sets out to be an addict.

 

[jk204]

No one has said, so and so was there when there was a big confrontation between blank and blank and this happened. It has all been unknown source heard there was a big confrontation.

I am just saying that if there were serious confrontations before involving several Rhoden members, it is very likely friends and other family members knew about it.

The Rhodens had a social life. Boyfriend, girlfriend, friends, coworkers. It may be all hearsay and topix rumours since we have never seen anything in MSM.

But if it happened for real, it is very likely several people were told about it by family members and this has been shared with LE early

 

[rsd1200]

As a NP you should know why hospitals and doctors' office have to charge $6 for a Tylenol. It's because 40% of patients don't pay a dang dime for their health care. (There are some people who are indigent and cannot pay, but there are others who choose not to pay.)

The last time I was at my physician's office paying my bill, the woman beside me at the other receptionist's cubicle was whining about how she couldn't pay her bill $300 bill. She had an $800 iPhone. I don't have an $800 iPhone. I pay my bills and apparently her bill too.

Health insurance went to Hades in a handbasket way back in 1973. We're reaping what was sown now.

 

[jk204]

This is not meant to be disrespectful in any way toward the deceased, but this family's life was drama filled (I know the feeling and I've shut that stuff down, as much as possible. It ain't no fun and I refuse to die early from stress.).

I feel bad for DR. It seems she loved her family dearly but it also seemed that there was some sort of drama all of the time. Look at how many things were going on with this family within 14 days of the murder.

If anyone next door had heard any of this at CR1's, the way this family was so close-knit, they'd have likely run to CR1's, and descended upon the interloper with baseball bats, imo. I base this upon the fact that they did try to yank a dude out of his car and were armed w/baseball bats, firearm(s), and were ready to rock and roll (I don't think we truly know what the reason for that was either.). They descended upon a man, at his own home and knocked his teeth out over words spoken at a derby, to one of the Rs. If they'd heard this going on next door, or heard about this period, I feel that they'd have come loaded for bear. Just my feelings. However, maybe they'd been in a mellow mood and decided to let the interloper slide. I just don't see them sitting idly by waiting to take a beating or a shooting though. To me, all through this, I've felt that these folks were completely blindsided.

I can't prove when he completely moved his stuff out and was gone for good, but, if this fella was there at FR's, it's at least 300' from CR1's porch to FR's porch. I'm guessing the argument would have taken place inside CR1's trailer. Again, my closest neighbor is, give or take, around 300' from my front porch to theirs (I got curious and measured). I could not tell you what goes on inside their home, or if the screams that I hear outside, are sounds of grandkids playing, or if someone is being murdered, or beaten to death, and tend to keep my business to myself. If they need me they call. If I see anything odd around their place I call, they do the same for me. Not that we can even see that well. We just try to take note of odd cars idling around, etc...

When I write "The Drama" I usually refer to the murders. It's just for me one way of writing it.

I dont like the "m" and "k" words. Big Brother is out there scanning everything.

 

[rsd1200]

When I write "The Drama" I usually refer to the murders. It's just for me one way of writing it.

I dont like the "m" and "k" words. Big Brother is out there scanning everything.

No snark intended, I thought you meant "The Drama" in regards to the fight, but "Big Brother" has been listening for decades. I've been in tech since before computers had hard drives. One of my favorite songs; "Vienna Teng - The Hymn of Acxiom". We've all got a file somewhere. :secret:

 

[jk204]

No snark intended, I thought you meant "The Drama" in regards to the fight, but "Big Brother" has been listening for decades. I've been in tech since before computers had hard drives. One of my favorite songs; "Vienna Teng - The Hymn of Acxiom". We've all got a file somewhere. :secret:

I know what you mean. I am in the tech business too.

I am a frequent traveler and I fly every month out of the country. That's why I've got chinese characters in my profile pic. I've been there many times and I like the country. Just in the past 2 months, I've been to Stockholm, London, Paris, Madrid and Berlin. All these places have been in terror alerts over the years. And they all deal with it in different ways and with different laws.

Did you know that in France, 10 000 people have homeland security surveillance files? They've done nothing wrong (yet). They are just under surveillance for their contacts and for what they write on the internet. A judge will grant electronic surveillance fairly easily on the basis of the terror act.

There are places I am careful with my internet searches and what I leave in my phone.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Big Pharma gives docs kickbacks for prescribing the pills, that are known to be highly addictive, for reasons that it was not made for, and oxy has now been approved by the FDA to be provided to children as young as 11. Withdrawal itself can be so dangerous, (even with alcoholics), that they have to be placed in the hospital and medically taken through the beginning withdrawal and Delirium tremens, so that they do not die, b/c they can become so frail that their body and organs cannot withstand what they will go through. I have seen that with alcoholics. Heroin is said to be some of the most horrible pain one can feel when going into withdrawal. Why else would someone risk their life, like Russian Roulette, to get a hit?

I've seen people do things that I'd have never thought, b/c they got hooked on pills and then the docs yanked them off, and Heroin, or other street drugs, was the closest thing, or the thing, to what they were prescribed. I feel bad for addicts. I'd never want to go through feeling like that whole life's focus was wondering where my next hit was coming from, and wondering if it would kill me next time, but the pain was so great that I'd take that chance. My friend's adult child is going through this. This is a man who held a high position in the military. Retired with full benefits and an honorable discharge. No one sets out to be an addict.

If America doesn't stop being politically correct towards addicts who can say "no", but choose not to or choose to blame others, we're doomed. Addicts have many choices. They can say "no", they can detox while under anesthesia, or they can go to methadone and sub clinics preventing them from experiencing detox symptoms (but over half of methadone users test positive for heroin, so a huge percentage never gives up heroin). There are a lot more addicts who just like to feel stoned who didn't start shooting up because they had chronic pain and took pain pills. That's a stupid lie that needs to end. These people deserve no sympathy.

In one government study, 86% of young addicts started their addiction as recreational users. Their addiction started by buying or stealing other people's prescription pills. If I hear one more LE officer state that heroin junkies all get started by taking pain pills prescribed by their doctors, I'm going to flip out. It's a lie and it enables junkies by creating sympathy for them and their (non-existent) chronic pain. People that like to feel stoned must be held accountable or they will never change their behavior and will die from their addiction.

A study of young, urban injection drug users interviewed in 2008 and 2009 found that 86 percent had used opioid pain relievers nonmedically prior to using heroin.
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/relationship-between-prescription-drug-heroin-abuse/prescription-opioid-use-risk-factor-heroin-use

 

[rsd1200]

I know what you mean. I am in the tech business too.

I am frequent traveler and I fly every month out of the country. That's why I've got chinese characters in my profile pic. I've been there many times and I like the country. Just in the past 2 months, I've been to Stockholm, London, Paris, Madrid and Berlin. All these places have been in terror alerts over the years. And they all deal with it in different ways and with different laws.

Did you know that in France, 10 000 people have homeland security surveillance files? They've done nothing wrong (yet). They are just under surveillance for their contacts and for what they write on the internet. A judge will grant electronic surveillance fairly easily on the basis of the terror act.

There are places I am careful I with my internet searches and what I leave in my phone.

I have taken note of your profile pic and am only fluent in English w/a significant drawl. I have meant to ask the meaning of your new pic, as I don't think I can decipher it properly.. You're traveling in a bigger and touchier area than I ever did. I've traveled quite a bit but not out of the country. I started out in the early 80s when we booted from two, 5 1/4 floppies, then on into networking, training, buying, installation, a little mainframe work, etc... From what I understand it's that way here now (like France). Words to avoid, areas to stay away from, etc... I do not use a webcam period. I am careful w/internet searches and where I search, too. Same here with searches and phone. I follow this case and a couple others and I don't want anything to throw up flags. I can see why you must be more careful than me, b/c of your working country to country.

 

[rsd1200]

If America doesn't stop being politically correct towards addicts who can say "no", but choose not to or choose to blame others, we're doomed. Addicts have many choices. They can say "no", they can detox while under anesthesia, or they can go to methadone and sub clinics preventing them from experiencing detox symptoms (but over half of methadone users test positive for heroin, so a huge percentage never gives up heroin). There are a lot more addicts who just like to feel stoned who didn't start shooting up because they had chronic pain and took pain pills. That's a stupid lie that needs to end. These people deserve no sympathy.

In one government study, 86% of young addicts started their addiction as recreational users. Their addiction started by buying or stealing other people's prescription pills. If I hear one more LE officer state that heroin junkies all get started by taking pain pills prescribed by their doctors, I'm going to flip out. It's a lie and it enables junkies by creating sympathy for them and their (non-existent) chronic pain. People that like to feel stoned must be held accountable or they will never change their behavior and will die from their addiction.

A study of young, urban injection drug users interviewed in 2008 and 2009 found that 86 percent had used opioid pain relievers nonmedically prior to using heroin.
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/relationship-between-prescription-drug-heroin-abuse/prescription-opioid-use-risk-factor-heroin-use

I disagree. Addiction does not affect everyone. No one bats an eye at the monstrous bills to save the broke alcoholic to give him two more years after 40 years of abusing his body, or the patient w/o insurance who has cancer from his lungs that have spread to his brain to his liver b/c of the same, over 40 years of drinking a legal drug and smoking pack after pack of tobacco that has no benefit other than to kill it's customer. In the 50s and 60s doctors were paid to be in ads to recommend a favored cigarette. An aunt of mine with emphysema was actually told back years ago to NOT quit smoking that smoking would probably help her emphysema. I know of several people who were in accidents and that's how they got hooked on pills. Not all of them but several. Let the stomach bypass person eat themselves to death b/c of their food addiction, after they lose 500 pounds and then put it right back on, and have a heart attack, w/ no insurance and no money. I was behind a guy in the docs office the other day and he told them his insulin had gone up so high that he couldn't afford so he was testing himself everyday and if it was up, he'd take a little insulin and if not he wouldn't. They told him, OH NO, you can't do that you must take it every day. He said the price has gone up, I can't afford it anymore. My friend almost died b/c they went two year w/o their meds and it caught up to them. Everybody hates the junkies but they're no different than any other addict. If you can't lay down your smokes you're addicted to them, can't set down that alcohol, you're an addict, can't push that plate back? you're an addict. Lost the family farm gambling? You're an addict. People just tend to hate on junkies more than any one else. It's not about being politically correct for me. I'm pretty darn straight w/folks. For me it is b/c I am a follower of Christ. Christ's words that He spoke. That means I must have compassion for when might it be Him? Matthew 25:35-45

 

[asmi106082]

Big Pharma gives docs kickbacks for prescribing the pills, that are known to be highly addictive, for reasons that it was not made for, and oxy has now been approved by the FDA to be provided to children as young as 11. Withdrawal itself can be so dangerous, (even with alcoholics), that they have to be placed in the hospital and medically taken through the beginning withdrawal and Delirium tremens, so that they do not die, b/c they can become so frail that their body and organs cannot withstand what they will go through. I have seen that with alcoholics. Heroin is said to be some of the most horrible pain one can feel when going into withdrawal. Why else would someone risk their life, like Russian Roulette, to get a hit?

I've seen people do things that I'd have never thought, b/c they got hooked on pills and then the docs yanked them off, and Heroin, or other street drugs, was the closest thing, or the thing, to what they were prescribed. I feel bad for addicts. I'd never want to go through feeling like that whole life's focus was wondering where my next hit was coming from, and wondering if it would kill me next time, but the pain was so great that I'd take that chance. My friend's adult child is going through this. This is a man who held a high position in the military. Retired with full benefits and an honorable discharge. No one sets out to be an addict.

If America doesn't stop being politically correct towards addicts who can say "no", but choose not to or choose to blame others, we're doomed. Addicts have many choices. They can say "no", they can detox while under anesthesia, or they can go to methadone and sub clinics preventing them from experiencing detox symptoms (but over half of methadone users test positive for heroin, so a huge percentage never gives up heroin). There are a lot more addicts who just like to feel stoned who didn't start shooting up because they had chronic pain and took pain pills. That's a stupid lie that needs to end. These people deserve no sympathy.

In one government study, 86% of young addicts started their addiction as recreational users. Their addiction started by buying or stealing other people's prescription pills. If I hear one more LE officer state that heroin junkies all get started by taking pain pills prescribed by their doctors, I'm going to flip out. It's a lie and it enables junkies by creating sympathy for them and their (non-existent) chronic pain. People that like to feel stoned must be held accountable or they will never change their behavior and will die from their addiction.

A study of young, urban injection drug users interviewed in 2008 and 2009 found that 86 percent had used opioid pain relievers nonmedically prior to using heroin.
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/relationship-between-prescription-drug-heroin-abuse/prescription-opioid-use-risk-factor-heroin-use

I'm sorry but I sincerely disagree. The opioid epidemic is a crisis that is killing a record number of people in this country. Does that mean that suddenly, the number of Americans using heroin tripled because they all want to feel stoned??
I knew a woman who was a stay at home mom of 3 adopted, special needs children. Years back, she was in a serious car accident and destroyed several vertebrae in her spine. She suffered through years of surgeries and pain. Her doctor eventually prescribed an opioid pain killer. She finally found relief from chronic pain and her long-time doctor assured her that the drug was completely safe.
That was years ago, before the drug companies cared to admit that their newest pain killer affects the same neurotransmitters as heroin and morphine.
Long story short, while there are some addicts who chose to abuse pain killers or street drugs, there truly are a good number of people overdosing on fentynal-laced heroin that go to church with you, work next to you each day, and even family members!
Too many people are living in denial that heroin could ever be a problem for the regular old Joe Schmo but it's happening! A lot!

 

[jk204]

I have taken note of your profile pic and am only fluent in English w/a significant drawl. I have meant to ask the meaning of your new pic, as I don't think I can decipher it properly.. You're traveling in a bigger and touchier area than I ever did. I've traveled quite a bit but not out of the country. I started out in the early 80s when we booted from two, 5 1/4 floppies, then on into networking, training, buying, installation, a little mainframe work, etc... From what I understand it's that way here now (like France). Words to avoid, areas to stay away from, etc... I do not use a webcam period. I am careful w/internet searches and where I search, too. Same here with searches and phone. I follow this case and a couple others and I don't want anything to throw up flags. I can see why you must be more careful than me, b/c of your working country to country.

Well, you'd better learn to read mandarin like a fifth of mankind because it holds an essential clue to solve the Rhoden case.

Just kidding.

It says "two hundred and four" according to the machine translation I use. I am very curious of China, but I am like you, born in the middle of North America, and my knowledge of the language is fairly limited.

 

[GoofyJen]

Addiction is NOT a choice. I believe that there are some very opinionated, and yet ignorant, folks here spewing very hateful and offensive words about those who have been afflicted with addiction. When someone over uses ANY substance or activity, the chemistry in the brain begins to change. That continuous change in brain chemistry causes the person to make irrational decisions. Irrational decisions that those who are not "over using" could not possibly comprehend, because their brain chemistry is "normal".

I know this because I am a recovering addict. I respectfully ask that if you are not a medical professional with experience in treating addiction, or an addict yourself with experience, that you please refrain from blaming people for being unfortunate enough to have to live with addiction. It is simply offensive.

I share this with love and hope.

 

[IceIce9]

No, I am not mistaken. This is what I meant. I dont believe this person has spoken in mean stream media.

I understood your meaning. I haven't seen an MSM link for what was being discussed either.

 

[jk204]

I understood your meaning. I haven't seen an MSM link for what was being discussed either.

I don't blame dudly for not understanding what I write. I write in a made-for-desktop web page from my mobile phone. It keeps completing my spelling, I end up writing "mean" instead of "main".

Although some days, you could argue "mean media" is more appropriate than "main media"

 

[Elley Mae]

Agree.

If America doesn't stop being politically correct towards addicts who can say "no", but choose not to or choose to blame others, we're doomed. Addicts have many choices. They can say "no", they can detox while under anesthesia, or they can go to methadone and sub clinics preventing them from experiencing detox symptoms (but over half of methadone users test positive for heroin, so a huge percentage never gives up heroin). There are a lot more addicts who just like to feel stoned who didn't start shooting up because they had chronic pain and took pain pills. That's a stupid lie that needs to end. These people deserve no sympathy.

In one government study, 86% of young addicts started their addiction as recreational users. Their addiction started by buying or stealing other people's prescription pills. If I hear one more LE officer state that heroin junkies all get started by taking pain pills prescribed by their doctors, I'm going to flip out. It's a lie and it enables junkies by creating sympathy for them and their (non-existent) chronic pain. People that like to feel stoned must be held accountable or they will never change their behavior and will die from their addiction.

A study of young, urban injection drug users interviewed in 2008 and 2009 found that 86 percent had used opioid pain relievers nonmedically prior to using heroin.
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/relationship-between-prescription-drug-heroin-abuse/prescription-opioid-use-risk-factor-heroin-use

 

[Dudly]

As a NP you should know why hospitals and doctors' office have to charge $6 for a Tylenol. It's because 40% of patients don't pay a dang dime for their health care. (There are some people who are indigent and cannot pay, but there are others who choose not to pay.)

The last time I was at my physician's office paying my bill, the woman beside me at the other receptionist's cubicle was whining about how she couldn't pay her bill $300 bill. She had an $800 iPhone. I don't have an $800 iPhone. I pay my bills and apparently her bill too.

A surgeon told me in the early 70s that they collect about 30% of what they bill. The subject came up when I told him I didn't know how I'd get him paid if I couldn't go back to doing the work I had been doing. He said don't worry about it and I never got a bill from him for what insurance didn't cover.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Pleasure to meet you too. I think we are just one state away. We should have lunch. And don't get me started on the Media.

Lunch sounds great. CNN is so busy reporting on Trump there is no room fo rthe real news. Anyone else on here having trouble with the spacing?

 

[Dudly]

I have taken note of your profile pic and am only fluent in English w/a significant drawl. I have meant to ask the meaning of your new pic, as I don't think I can decipher it properly.. You're traveling in a bigger and touchier area than I ever did. I've traveled quite a bit but not out of the country. I started out in the early 80s when we booted from two, 5 1/4 floppies, then on into networking, training, buying, installation, a little mainframe work, etc... From what I understand it's that way here now (like France). Words to avoid, areas to stay away from, etc... I do not use a webcam period. I am careful w/internet searches and where I search, too. Same here with searches and phone. I follow this case and a couple others and I don't want anything to throw up flags. I can see why you must be more careful than me, b/c of your working country to country.

I tell people I speak American English but can understand hillbilly...lol

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Addiction is NOT a choice. I believe that there are some very opinionated, and yet ignorant, folks here spewing very hateful and offensive words about those who have been afflicted with addiction. When someone over uses ANY substance or activity, the chemistry in the brain begins to change. That continuous change in brain chemistry causes the person to make irrational decisions. Irrational decisions that those who are not "over using" could not possibly comprehend, because their brain chemistry is "normal".

I know this because I am a recovering addict. I respectfully ask that if you are not a medical professional with experience in treating addiction, or an addict yourself with experience, that you please refrain from blaming people for being unfortunate enough to have to live with addiction. It is simply offensive.

I share this with love and hope.

BBM

I agree. No one uses a drug to purposely get addicted. It happens and no one ever thinks it will happen to them. I heard on the news last night that for some people it only takes one Oxycontin pill for some people to get addicted. Imagine. Take one pill and be an addict for life? The Dr's should be much more cautious when prescribing pain relievers. Start small with something non addicting and work forward if that doesn't work. I remember back in the day when Dr's only prescribed 10 pain pills no matter what surgery. 10 pills, no refills.


Add religion to that list of addictions.That is my son's drug of choice. I told him he is so worried about the end of time and getting into Heaven he can't enjoy the world he lives in today.

 

[rsd1200]

Well, you'd better learn to read mandarin like a fifth of mankind because it holds an essential clue to solve the Rhoden case.

Just kidding.

It says "two hundred and four" according to the machine translation I use. I am very curious of China, but I am like you, born in the middle of North America, and my knowledge of the language is fairly limited.

BBM
I did wonder if it had something to do with this case. LOL I had 2410 and thought it may be similar to Roman Numerals so came with 214 or and a couple other variations, including Feb 14. I've been aiming to ask but wanted to give it a shot first to see if I could get close. lol