OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #30

[samanthalawson69]

It isn't closer. Unless I've been up too long and gotten the addresses confused at this point. Please correct me if so.

The impound lot is 5.5 miles from the Sheriff's Dept.

The Chemical Plant to the Sheriff's dept, was 3.0 miles.

I meant a closer look at the inside of the trailers and just moved them to their own lot. I also would love to know if LE moved it because someone has been messing around with then? Or trying to?

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[Subiechik21]

Well as one, who has this in my past, it doesn't matter how much time goes by, molestation stays with me. In my case it was a friend of the family, my babysitters sons, my girlfriends brother and my own father. It seemed to me I had some kind of invisiable sign on me that said to do these things to me. After a lot of therapy, drug use, getting sober and more therapy, I have a peaceful life where I don't blame myself anymore and most of the "people" who did this to me are gone. But I can be having a normal day and every things great, and a smell, or song, or just a random thought can send me back to those awful times.

I'm sorry that you had to endure that during your life! I am thankful that you were able to (after a lot of work it seems) get back to a small sense of normalcy.

 

[Betty P]

I don't think that they had a secured place. Under a picture I read,



I mean, they already had the impound lot, and other folk's impounded stuff, but no video protection for other folk's property? And, these trailers have to be inside? They stayed outside for years, and they even have the doors and windows boarded up now. I swear, I believe there's something significant, in at least one of those trailers, that they do not want out to the public, so they just took them all. That's just too weird. What if they'd been brick and mortar? I also think they knew the plant was leaving, so they requested the building specifically for the trailers, which looks like they may be hanging onto them for a bit longer.

Very interesting that they spent so much money to keep the trailers protected.

Also found this in the news today. May or may not be relevant. DeWine announced the arrest of a group of gang members in the Cleveland area who had been distributing heroin, cocaine, fentanyl, carfentanyl, etc. in southeast Ohio. As before, I don't think CR1 was selling hard drugs, but he may have come into contact with a gang that was selling in the area and possibly made threats to stop them.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/inde...sed_gang_members_a.html#incart_river_home_pop

Three men who investigators identified as members of the Cleveland-based "Down the Way" street gang led a 100-member drug dealing ring that trafficked enough heroin, fentanyl and cocaine to kill everyone in 12 counties in southeastern Ohio, authorities said.

Twenty four people were taken into custody and another 76 people were named in the indictment, for a total of 100.

The group funneled about 1 million doses of carfentanil and approximately 350,000 doses of fentanyl into Columbiana County, enough to kill every person in that county and 11 surrounding counties, DeWine's office said.

Still so strange that PCSO is spending so much to preserve those trailers.

 

[Betty P]

www.wcpo.com/news/insider/trailers I guess we found where Chris Graves went to . Want to add, this is an article about the trailers being moved again, and that probate has began, all the cars were released to family?

The story at this link is gone now. Can someone offer a recap? Odd that it was removed. Does anyone know where Chris Graves went? There's very little information about her leaving in the news media.

ETA: Here's another article that was updated yesterday, written by Chris Graves

http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/tr...in-pike-county-moved-for-a-second-time?page=2

From the article:

“The Board of Commissioners have also been advised by the Ohio Attorney General’s Office that it is imperative to maintain the integrity of these items as this investigation is still ongoing; and to continue to keep them in a secure fashion, or frankly, it makes all we have done this far for naught, certainly as it relates to these items,” according to the motion.

So, the order to preserve the trailers comes from DeWine's office. If not preserved, they indicate the investigation thus far is all "for naught". So they're saying the entire investigation would be meaningless without those trailers? Odd thing to say when they claim all the evidence they gathered from them has been removed from the trailers. What does this mean?

Well, we're not alone. The reporters also call the move "unprecedented" and the handling of the case "bizarre". Right they are.

Last week, Dan Tierney, spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said authorities are still focused on the Wagners. He declined to say why or if they have any evidence connecting them to the killings. The Rhoden and Wagner families knew each other.

Angela Wagner declined comment when contacted last week.

Boarding the trailers and moving them and dozens of cars from the Rhoden family properties cost $110,692. Storing the trailers and camper at the warehouse costs an annual flat fee of $15,000. Bedbug treatment and a camera system totaled another $21,800. Receipts provided by the Pike County sheriff’s office last year outlined the costs.

Now add another $98,000 to the price tag for building a new pole barn to store them at PCSO. There was likely a high price tag to have them transported again. They also paid $12,380 to the electric company to keep power on at Hasdell Chemical.

PCSO is approaching half a million dollars to preserve and store these trailers, yet the state has only reimbursed them for $139,074. Bizarre.

Also looks like Hasdell Chemical is in a lot of trouble for lying to investors about it's assets and contracts. A lot of people lost money. There were a lot of questions about this company back when the trailers were stored there. Connections to local state representative, some state money spent on their operation. JMO, Hasdell is part of this whole mess, too.

 

[Subiechik21]

The story at this link is gone now. Can someone offer a recap? Odd that it was removed. Does anyone know where Chris Graves went? There's very little information about her leaving in the news media.

If you do a search for Chris Graves in the search bar the story will come up, or at least that is how I found the story. It will bring up a survey for you to take before reading the story, but as soon as it comes up you can exit out & click continue to story.

 

[Betty P]

If you do a search for Chris Graves in the search bar the story will come up, or at least that is how I found the story. It will bring up a survey for you to take before reading the story, but as soon as it comes up you can exit out & click continue to story.

Thanks! I'm so glad she's still around, over at WCPO. Her reporting has been so critical to this case. Were it not for her and some of the other reporters, JMO, this case would have been swept under the rug a long time ago.

 

[Dudly]

I don't think that they had a secured place. Under a picture I read,



I mean, they already had the impound lot, and other folk's impounded stuff, but no video protection for other folk's property? And, these trailers have to be inside? They stayed outside for years, and they even have the doors and windows boarded up now. I swear, I believe there's something significant, in at least one of those trailers, that they do not want out to the public, so they just took them all. That's just too weird. What if they'd been brick and mortar? I also think they knew the plant was leaving, so they requested the building specifically for the trailers, which looks like they may be hanging onto them for a bit longer.

They make it sound like they have no case without the homes. What can be in them that can't be removed and preserved a different way? Something is really bizarre about this case. I can not understand the level of secrecy they have achieved considering all the people involved. I would have bet big money that it would be impossible to do that.
I've wondered if messages were left on the wall or something. What else could be in them?

 

[Dudly]

Two other things I have considered as possible reasons this happened. A large purchase from a large dealer with counterfeit money. Or, a large sale to a large dealer with counterfeit drugs. Either one could result in harsh retribution....

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I'm referring to the "it couldn't be backwoods type justice" If you can't find it then it's been removed. I'm quite sure evil can run through any race or group of people. I would never mention any one person nor, do I think you posted it. I could never imagine that you would be dishonest about a post or you would step up and say you posted it.

I will admit to being late in getting to websleuths but I do care about this family. I will continue to care for years to come. I do hope this tragedy ends for the family.

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BBM

If it has been removed, then it is against TOS and should not be discussed on here any further.

For the record, my main theory almost from the beginning was it was either drug related due to a local crime ring or child custody related. In other words the killers are local.

I never believed nor posted that it was the "Mexican cartel or any other such types" or anyone else from outside Pike county. I based my belief on what Sheriff Reader said from the beginning. He said "the killers are local, from right here in Pike county." LM also stated that from day one, Sheriff Reader told the family gathered at the church "someone sitting here in this church right now knows who killed this family and they know why" implying that the killers were either members of the R, M or G families or close friends of them. I happen to believe that the killers are both close friends and family members who helped them. Because it is my belief that only family would have spared the lives of the children, especially a 3 year old boy who could have identified them if they were familiar to him.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I didn't take it that samantha meant, on here, per se, but we've all read some of the comments outside of here, and some of the Hazlitt article caused her to show her ignorance, and that article by the writer in the DailyBeast, talked about all of the rednecks, and folks with tobacco stained teeth.

From the Hazlett article: Sometimes people even stalked from bed and shot blind into the dark because they couldn’t sleep. :facepalm:

Either someone fed her a big ole load of b.s. or she made that up out of thin air. Anyone, who knows anything, about firearms (and I'd guess that the region's folks do/did), knows that you don't do s**t like that.

That was just my take on her comment. As for the education part, it would be great if things were better educational wise, but jobs coming into the region would be great too. If they pass the deal about the teacher's retirement in my region, we likely won't have many new folks wanting to teach, and I fear that there will be quite a few good, seasoned, teachers, retiring out. It is just that bad.

If you will recall RSD1200 I was the first poster on here that read that article and came back and noted how derogatory it was to the people in that area. I was also the first one to try to debunk that reporter by noting that she "grabbed her friend with the southern accent to help her fit in" because after all it was Southern Ohio, showing how completely ignorant she was of not only that region but of the entire United States.

I was deeply offended by that article. I continue to be deeply offended by it even though I am not from the area because to portray an entire region in that manner should be and is offensive to everyone.

As for being a redneck, I don't think any other state in the country is referred to as redneck more than my own. And there are a whole lot of Skoal cans visible around here. So I guess that reporter can just refer to the people in my state as tobacco dipping rednecks. I would be very proud for her to do so because I would rather be a Skoal carrying redneck than an ignorant uneducated reporter who doesn't even know where the Mason-Dixon line is.

I got my doubts that reporter was even from the United States. If she is she sure didn't pay much attention in her US history classes and it is my firm belief she failed them all.

I believe that the offensive nature of that article is why the Administrators on here decreed that article should not be discussed on here and removed all the posts pertaining to it IIRC.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

The story at this link is gone now. Can someone offer a recap? Odd that it was removed. Does anyone know where Chris Graves went? There's very little information about her leaving in the news media.

ETA: Here's another article that was updated yesterday, written by Chris Graves

http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/tr...in-pike-county-moved-for-a-second-time?page=2

From the article:



So, the order to preserve the trailers comes from DeWine's office. If not preserved, they indicate the investigation thus far is all "for naught". So they're saying the entire investigation would be meaningless without those trailers? Odd thing to say when they claim all the evidence they gathered from them has been removed from the trailers. What does this mean?

Well, we're not alone. The reporters also call the move "unprecedented" and the handling of the case "bizarre". Right they are.






Now add another $98,000 to the price tag for building a new pole barn to store them at PCSO. There was likely a high price tag to have them transported again. They also paid $12,380 to the electric company to keep power on at Hasdell Chemical.

PCSO is approaching half a million dollars to preserve and store these trailers, yet the state has only reimbursed them for $139,074. Bizarre.

Also looks like Hasdell Chemical is in a lot of trouble for lying to investors about it's assets and contracts. A lot of people lost money. There were a lot of questions about this company back when the trailers were stored there. Connections to local state representative, some state money spent on their operation. JMO, Hasdell is part of this whole mess, too.

BBM

[FONT=&quot]Last week, Dan Tierney, spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said authorities are still focused on the Wagners. He declined to say why or if they have any evidence connecting them to the killings. The Rhoden and Wagner families knew each other.
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[FONT=&amp]Reader’s testimony came in a hearing to keep proceedings about the surviving Rhoden children closed to the public and the media.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Reader told Pike County Juvenile Judge Robert Rosenberger: “I believe if the information about the minor children is released, it would put the minor children or their caregivers in grave danger.”[/FONT][FONT=&amp]

[/FONT]Also this: If indeed the minor children are with the G family, I believe that this statement shows that Sheriff Reader at least believes there is still a lot of rage and jealousy in JW and the W family that is directed toward the former boyfriend of HR, CG, who was apparently the answer to our unanswered question about the paternity of tiny KR.

[FONT=&amp]JMO
[/FONT]

 

[rsd1200]

I meant a closer look at the inside of the trailers and just moved them to their own lot. I also would love to know if LE moved it because someone has been messing around with then? Or trying to?

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Sorry, misunderstood. No, I think it's either b/c the plant is leaving, and they either aren't going to be able to keep them there any longer, or, the rent they'd pay to store them there, or somewhere else for the duration of all this is much more than bldg a pole barn. I think the pole barn was built specifically for these trailers, with the push that after the case is over they can use it for other LE stuff. I don't know when impound lots started putting folks vehicles in shelters but they don't here. It's a mess to go get one out, especially if its been raining, believe me.

 

[rsd1200]

The story at this link is gone now. Can someone offer a recap? Odd that it was removed. Does anyone know where Chris Graves went? There's very little information about her leaving in the news media.

ETA: Here's another article that was updated yesterday, written by Chris Graves

http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/tr...in-pike-county-moved-for-a-second-time?page=2

From the article:



So, the order to preserve the trailers comes from DeWine's office. If not preserved, they indicate the investigation thus far is all "for naught". So they're saying the entire investigation would be meaningless without those trailers? Odd thing to say when they claim all the evidence they gathered from them has been removed from the trailers. What does this mean?

Well, we're not alone. The reporters also call the move "unprecedented" and the handling of the case "bizarre". Right they are.






Now add another $98,000 to the price tag for building a new pole barn to store them at PCSO. There was likely a high price tag to have them transported again. They also paid $12,380 to the electric company to keep power on at Hasdell Chemical.

PCSO is approaching half a million dollars to preserve and store these trailers, yet the state has only reimbursed them for $139,074. Bizarre.

Also looks like Hasdell Chemical is in a lot of trouble for lying to investors about it's assets and contracts. A lot of people lost money. There were a lot of questions about this company back when the trailers were stored there. Connections to local state representative, some state money spent on their operation. JMO, Hasdell is part of this whole mess, too.

I think Hasdell is in the mess on the back-end and someone got a little change handed to them for suggesting that they store the trailers there. Money...

I've been thinking about all the trailers and what it could be and why it needs to be sooooo secured and quiet.

If you are too young to remember the Manson murders, read Bugliosi's book, Helter Skelter, or just go to Google. The maid that found the bodies of Tate, and the others, ran screaming from the home. She'd been saved b/c of a migraine. The headlines screamed Sharon Tate, Murdered in Ritual! Things like that. Lots of info on that case came out. Grisly details. "Pigs", iirc, written on the walls in blood and "Helter Skelter", among other things, I think. When the trial was going one, the POTUS at the time was Richard Nixon. He actually got up and made a statement that they were all guilty. A president, made a statement like that, during a major trial! They had to go in and talk with the jurors about any impact that it made on them. Sure, they were guilty and some more-so than others, but he could have caused a mistrial. A person in power, coming out and saying something like that is not kosher. I got to thinking, is there something like that on the insides of these trailers? Is there something they don't want certain folks to know about, until, SURPRISE, when it comes out at the trial? Just some random thoughts this morning.

 

[Betty P]

BBM

[FONT="]Last week, Dan Tierney, spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said authorities are still focused on the Wagners. He declined to say why or if they have any evidence connecting them to the killings. The Rhoden and Wagner families knew each other.
[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Reader’s testimony came in a hearing to keep proceedings about the surviving Rhoden children closed to the public and the media.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Reader told Pike County Juvenile Judge Robert Rosenberger: “I believe if the information about the minor children is released, it would put the minor children or their caregivers in grave danger.”[/FONT][FONT=&]

[/FONT]Also this: If indeed the minor children are with the G family, I believe that this statement shows that Sheriff Reader at least believes there is still a lot of rage and jealousy in JW and the W family that is directed toward the former boyfriend of HR, CG, who was apparently the answer to our unanswered question about the paternity of tiny KR.

[FONT=&]JMO
[/FONT]

If Reader and BCI think the W family is involved and still a threat, why haven't they questioned them? Why did they allow them to leave the state and not bother to send someone up there to interrogate them? They didn't. They let them go, free and clear, no questions asked. It wasn't until they left Ohio that other LE (most likely federal agents) stopped them and interrogated them.

If you don't ask questions of suspects and their family members, you'll never solve a crime.

Re what's in the trailers that could be construed as evidence, what if there were religious messages, etc. indicating they were a "sinful" family? Another option is keeping trailers around so incriminating evidence can be planted. I've always wondered if LE knew early on who did the killings but chose not not to prosecute for quasi-political reasons. Maybe they're having a hard time finding someone to pin it on.

As LM said, they've been covering this stuff up for years.

 

[rsd1200]

BBM

If it has been removed, then it is against TOS and should not be discussed on here any further.

For the record, my main theory almost from the beginning was it was either drug related due to a local crime ring or child custody related. In other words the killers are local.

I never believed nor posted that it was the "Mexican cartel or any other such types" or anyone else from outside Pike county. I based my belief on what Sheriff Reader said from the beginning. He said "the killers are local, from right here in Pike county." LM also stated that from day one, Sheriff Reader told the family gathered at the church "someone sitting here in this church right now knows who killed this family and they know why" implying that the killers were either members of the R, M or G families or close friends of them. I happen to believe that the killers are both close friends and family members who helped them. Because it is my belief that only family would have spared the lives of the children, especially a 3 year old boy who could have identified them if they were familiar to him.

Just a side note; Since the Gs have the babies, I'm pretty much ruling them out at this point. I'm sure they went through extreme vetting, and there's proof of parentage, for HMR's youngest. HHG's bro, murdering her, just never fit for me. I don't see any familial animosity there.

 

[evelezrn]

I think Hasdell is in the mess on the back-end and someone got a little change handed to them for suggesting that they store the trailers there. Money...

I've been thinking about all the trailers and what it could be and why it needs to be sooooo secured and quiet.

If you are too young to remember the Manson murders, read Bugliosi's book, Helter Skelter, or just go to Google. The maid that found the bodies of Tate, and the others, ran screaming from the home. She'd been saved b/c of a migraine. The headlines screamed Sharon Tate, Murdered in Ritual! Things like that. Lots of info on that case came out. Grisly details. "Pigs", iirc, written on the walls in blood and "Helter Skelter", among other things, I think. When the trial was going one, the POTUS at the time was Richard Nixon. He actually got up and made a statement that they were all guilty. A president, made a statement like that, during a major trial! They had to go in and talk with the jurors about any impact that it made on them. Sure, they were guilty and some more-so than others, but he could have caused a mistrial. A person in power, coming out and saying something like that is not kosher. I got to thinking, is there something like that on the insides of these trailers? Is there something they don't want certain folks to know about, until, SURPRISE, when it comes out at the trial? Just some random thoughts this morning.

My first thought about what's in trailer was also "writing on the walls" just like in Manson murders. Yeah, they can show photos to a jury, but having jurors physically SEE whatever it is would make a lasting impression with far greater impact. The cost would be worth a conviction in 8 murders. All my opinion.

 

[Betty P]

BBM

[FONT="]Last week, Dan Tierney, spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said authorities are still focused on the Wagners. He declined to say why or if they have any evidence connecting them to the killings. The Rhoden and Wagner families knew each other.
[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Reader’s testimony came in a hearing to keep proceedings about the surviving Rhoden children closed to the public and the media.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Reader told Pike County Juvenile Judge Robert Rosenberger: “I believe if the information about the minor children is released, it would put the minor children or their caregivers in grave danger.”[/FONT][FONT=&]

[/FONT]Also this: If indeed the minor children are with the G family, I believe that this statement shows that Sheriff Reader at least believes there is still a lot of rage and jealousy in JW and the W family that is directed toward the former boyfriend of HR, CG, who was apparently the answer to our unanswered question about the paternity of tiny KR.

[FONT=&]JMO
[/FONT]

When I hear Reader talk about danger and threats to the safety of caregivers and family members, I sometimes wonder if its a veiled threat to them to keep quiet. His early comments to those in the families to keep their guns nearby for safety, instead of offering police protection to them, has never set well with me. What's going on that the county sheriff and state police can no longer keep people safe?

If they think the killers are local and know who they are, it's time to arrest them. They seem capable of arresting plenty of people in the region for other offenses.

 

[rsd1200]

When I hear Reader talk about danger and threats to the safety of caregivers and family members, I sometimes wonder if its a veiled threat to them to keep quiet. His early comments to those in the families to keep their guns nearby for safety, instead of offering police protection to them, has never set well with me. What's going on that the county sheriff and state police can no longer keep people safe?

If they think the killers are local and know who they are, it's time to arrest them. They seem capable of arresting plenty of people in the region for other offenses.

Although it was an odd statement to make, it is understandable. In the context of where a lot of these folk live, they are far from support, especially in the middle of the night. UHR is 20 miles from the nearest Sheriff's office and the force is not a large one in these small mountain towns. I've called, and I'm much closer than them, over suspicious activity on our farm, and if it were someone lookin' to kill me, I'd have been gone (but, that's why I have an equalizer). My kid had a car wreck up in the mountains, in the night, and it took an hour for someone to get there! Too many little twisty roads and long mountain parkways, and too few cops, to get to folks.

 

[rsd1200]

I'm going to put this here, the author is from Greenville, SC. Another Appalachian town. I found it interesting, in as much as we, in Appalachia can be different, we are all similar, too, and have experienced similar things. It is an interesting article, and topics that many find themselves grappling with, including myself, for lifetimes.

"An Essential Novel About Poverty, Bigotry, and Sexual Abuse, Twenty-five Years Later"
https://www.newyorker.com/books/sec...otry-and-sexual-abuse-twenty-five-years-later

 

[RAISINISBACK]

If Reader and BCI think the W family is involved and still a threat, why haven't they questioned them? Why did they allow them to leave the state and not bother to send someone up there to interrogate them? They didn't. They let them go, free and clear, no questions asked. It wasn't until they left Ohio that other LE (most likely federal agents) stopped them and interrogated them.

If you don't ask questions of suspects and their family members, you'll never solve a crime.

Re what's in the trailers that could be construed as evidence, what if there were religious messages, etc. indicating they were a "sinful" family? Another option is keeping trailers around so incriminating evidence can be planted. I've always wondered if LE knew early on who did the killings but chose not not to prosecute for quasi-political reasons. Maybe they're having a hard time finding someone to pin it on.

As LM said, they've been covering this stuff up for years.

We don't know that they have not questioned them. LE had a year before the W's moved. That may be why the W's moved. LE could have been calling them in for interviews every week for all we know. They could have even been to Alaska recently to question them. AW is the only one denying they have been questioned, but I do not believe her since the W's attorney stated that the family is cooperating fully, leading me to believe they have been questioned and maybe more than a few times. He also stated that the W's had turned over electronic equipment such as computers and cell phones.

DeWine said the BCI was focused on the W's. Reader said it was locals. I am more inclined to believe DeWine and Reader than AW and the rest of the W's.

As far as them moving out of state, until they are charged with a crime LE cannot stop them from leaving the state.