OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #31

[Betty P]

You're sweet BettyP. Two years seems like an eternity, I honestly thought it would be wrapped up and headed to trial by now. I know it takes a long time for some things to happen, and that can be true of any case, but there's just so much corruption that's come to light. I've not closely followed Rebecca Zahau's case, but I do remember hearing about it, and thinking it was kind of bizarre at the time. I hope that justice is served, for her, and her family.

Among the many startling types of evidence revealed 6 - 7 years later in that case:

There was a butcher knife found in the room where the victim was killed. It had no fingerprints on the handle (wiped clean) but had the victim's fingerprints on the blade of the knife in a position showing she was using it to try to cut herself free from the ropes that were binding her wrists and ankles. At the time, LE said the only fingerprints on the knife were the victim's, implying she used the knife to cut the rope that she used for a noose..

Evidence the victim was hog tied before and possibly during hanging

Evidence the victim had been manually strangled before she was hung

Evidence the victim had been raped with the handle of another knife found at the scene that had been used to cut her down from the balcony.

Lots more like that. Covered up by the San Diego County, CA sheriff and ME, among others.

 

[Dudly]

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ETA: Found it

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My response to comments about "fixing" Medicaid

:blah: :liar: :hand: :stormingmad: :censored:

He is good at talking with out saying anything...

 

[Obiwankenobi]

I’ve been away for a while. I still search, at least weekly, for updates and sadly, I’ve seen none. I can’t believe it’s almost been 2 years and nothing. I can still remember, and probably always will, the exact moment I came across this story. The way it made me feel and the anticipation of reading news stories, threads here, etc. Have there been any updates on the 2 children, RR and SR? Are they still in protective custody? Did they ever figure out who SR’s father was? I’ve not heard until today that TR lives at BBL! I wonder if they did anything for him directly? Maybe I was naive in thinking this case would go strong until it unraveled! It seems so quiet. I can’t help but wonder if it’s still being actively investigated! A crime of this magnitude, it’s just unreal! Where has LM been? Why aren’t we hearing from him anymore?

 

[rsd1200]

Among the many startling types of evidence revealed 6 - 7 years later in that case:

There was a butcher knife found in the room where the victim was killed. It had no fingerprints on the handle (wiped clean) but had the victim's fingerprints on the blade of the knife in a position showing she was using it to try to cut herself free from the ropes that were binding her wrists and ankles. At the time, LE said the only fingerprints on the knife were the victim's, implying she used the knife to cut the rope that she used for a noose..

Evidence the victim was hog tied before and possibly during hanging

Evidence the victim had been manually strangled before she was hung

Evidence the victim had been raped with the handle of another knife found at the scene that had been used to cut her down from the balcony.

Lots more like that. Covered up by the San Diego County, CA sheriff and ME, among others.

That smells of a payoff. A big payoff too.

 

[rsd1200]

I’ve been away for a while. I still search, at least weekly, for updates and sadly, I’ve seen none. I can’t believe it’s almost been 2 years and nothing. I can still remember, and probably always will, the exact moment I came across this story. The way it made me feel and the anticipation of reading news stories, threads here, etc. Have there been any updates on the 2 children, RR and SR? Are they still in protective custody? Did they ever figure out who SR’s father was? I’ve not heard until today that TR lives at BBL! I wonder if they did anything for him directly? Maybe I was naive in thinking this case would go strong until it unraveled! It seems so quiet. I can’t help but wonder if it’s still being actively investigated! A crime of this magnitude, it’s just unreal! Where has LM been? Why aren’t we hearing from him anymore?

Hi Obiwan! Welcome back! I remember the exact moment when I heard about it too. Just stunned.

I think that the two little ones have gone to family now, and paternity was established for SR. I do not know that to be 100% correct, on family placement, but am about 98.9% sure that they have.

This was the first that I'd heard that TR was living at BBL, also. He must have moved there recently. Could be separated? Just a guess.

LM may have felt it better to lay low after his son got hauled into the grand jury. JM's lawyer(s) may have told him it was in JM's best interests. Not saying JM is involved but, it may not be helpful to them should they have to defend him.

The only family left, who could be very vocal, seem to either be in poor health, or siblings of the victims, who aren't making any noise. KR is the only victim who has surviving children, who are old enough to have a voice, and they've been pretty silent. Idk. They may know more than we do, and, feel it's best to be quiet for now, whether due to advice by atty., or LE, or fear, who knows.

 

[Betty P]

Hi Obiwan! Welcome back! I remember the exact moment when I heard about it too. Just stunned.

I think that the two little ones have gone to family now, and paternity was established for SR. I do not know that to be 100% correct, on family placement, but am about 98.9% sure that they have.

This was the first that I'd heard that TR was living at BBL, also. He must have moved there recently. Could be separated? Just a guess.

LM may have felt it better to lay low after his son got hauled into the grand jury. JM's lawyer(s) may have told him it was in JM's best interests. Not saying JM is involved but, it may not be helpful to them should they have to defend him.

The only family left, who could be very vocal, seem to either be in poor health, or siblings of the victims, who aren't making any noise. KR is the only victim who has surviving children, who are old enough to have a voice, and they've been pretty silent. Idk. They may know more than we do, and, feel it's best to be quiet for now, whether due to advice by atty., or LE, or fear, who knows.

Yep, I think you're pretty much correct on all this. WRT LM not talking, when the charges for tampering with the GPS device were dismissed, the judge said the matter would be handled through grand jury proceedings.

Pike County judge: Evidence tampering charge to be heard by grand jury

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2017/05/22/rhoden-evidence-tampering-court-today/102003386/

Manley's lawyer, James Boulger objected, saying that he and his client wanted to know the evidence they have against him. However, after the hearing, Boulger said he was not surprised the prosecutor moved for a direct indictment. Grand juries meet monthly in Pike County with the next set for Thursday. The proceedings are secret.

"They don't want their witnesses cross-examined at this point,'' said Bougler of Chillicothe. "This was an unsuccessful strategy to put pressure on him."

Boulger said if the grand jury indicts his client, he then will start the discovery process -- which would likely force the state to unseal the warrant and the affidavit related to the tracking device.

"The affidavit is where the juice is,'' Boulger said. "They have done all of this behind closed doors.'"

Grand jury proceedings in Ohio are secret. They probably subpoenaed LM and the rest of the family as witnesses, explaining why they can no longer discuss the case. JMO


This may explain why many family members, friends, etc. are not talking about the case. They've probably been called as witnesses in JM's grand jury proceeding. With all the arrests of locals since the murders, it makes you wonder whether half the residents in the county have been called as witnesses in various grand jury proceedings and can no longer discuss anything. JMO

Ohio Grand Juries FAQ

http://www.acluohio.org/ohio-grand-juries-faq

https://www.ohiobar.org/forpublic/resources/lawyoucanuse/pages/lawyoucanuse-86.aspx

The United States Should Finally Abolish Criminal Grand Juries

https://www.slate.com/articles/news...ustice_for_eric_garner_and_michael_brown.html

 

[Obiwankenobi]

Hi Obiwan! Welcome back! I remember the exact moment when I heard about it too. Just stunned.

I think that the two little ones have gone to family now, and paternity was established for SR. I do not know that to be 100% correct, on family placement, but am about 98.9% sure that they have.

This was the first that I'd heard that TR was living at BBL, also. He must have moved there recently. Could be separated? Just a guess.

LM may have felt it better to lay low after his son got hauled into the grand jury. JM's lawyer(s) may have told him it was in JM's best interests. Not saying JM is involved but, it may not be helpful to them should they have to defend him.

The only family left, who could be very vocal, seem to either be in poor health, or siblings of the victims, who aren't making any noise. KR is the only victim who has surviving children, who are old enough to have a voice, and they've been pretty silent. Idk. They may know more than we do, and, feel it's best to be quiet for now, whether due to advice by atty., or LE, or fear, who knows.

Thank you and you are so right! I never thought about that. I hate his silence, it was almost the only information we had.

As far as the babies, I sure hope they are where they need to be, safe and loved. I hate this for the family. Just so sad!

 

[Obiwankenobi]

Yep, I think you're pretty much correct on all this. WRT LM not talking, when the charges for tampering with the GPS device were dismissed, the judge said the matter would be handled through grand jury proceedings.

Pike County judge: Evidence tampering charge to be heard by grand jury

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2017/05/22/rhoden-evidence-tampering-court-today/102003386/





Grand jury proceedings in Ohio are secret. They probably subpoenaed LM and the rest of the family as witnesses, explaining why they can no longer discuss the case. JMO


This may explain why many family members, friends, etc. are not talking about the case. They've probably been called as witnesses in JM's grand jury proceeding. With all the arrests of locals since the murders, it makes you wonder whether half the residents in the county have been called as witnesses in various grand jury proceedings and can no longer discuss anything. JMO

Ohio Grand Juries FAQ

http://www.acluohio.org/ohio-grand-juries-faq

https://www.ohiobar.org/forpublic/resources/lawyoucanuse/pages/lawyoucanuse-86.aspx

The United States Should Finally Abolish Criminal Grand Juries

https://www.slate.com/articles/news...ustice_for_eric_garner_and_michael_brown.html

Wow, very helpful information. Thank you!

 

[amauet1]

I'm sure the surviving family members would or have shared what they know to bring the killers to justice. They may have shared that information already. The only reason they would remain silent would be concern for their own safety, it seems. And LE was clear from the start that they were not going to protect these families.

That leaves a big question: Does LE really want the families to talk about what they might know? Locking up the Rhoden family's possessions may have been punitive, but why?

If surviving Rhoden family members knew something about the people behind the killings, why wouldn't they reveal that to LE? Do they fear retribution from the killers? If so, why hasn't LE protected them? We've asked these questions many, many times with no answers. Just silence and a case that's quickly going cold.

My thoughts are anything that could be moved out of the trailers, furniture, personal items, paperwork, etc,etc was taken out of the trailers to look for clues/evidence in the murders before they were sealed. Wasn't BCI/LE moving a trailer load of evidence out of the warehouse the night Jamie Barr was there? I think they (BCI/LE) left those trailers there were everyone knew they were there, hoping someone would break in. Somewhere it was said , that while the trailers were still at their old addresses that people were coming up through the woods in back of them, and trying to break in them. LE never said who or why, but I believe the trailers would have been burned down or destroyed in some way and that thieves or suspects would have gotten into them. If true, what were they going after that they hadn't found during the murders? And if these murders were so well planned why did the perps leave the scenes before they got "it"?

 

[amauet1]

Among the many startling types of evidence revealed 6 - 7 years later in that case:

There was a butcher knife found in the room where the victim was killed. It had no fingerprints on the handle (wiped clean) but had the victim's fingerprints on the blade of the knife in a position showing she was using it to try to cut herself free from the ropes that were binding her wrists and ankles. At the time, LE said the only fingerprints on the knife were the victim's, implying she used the knife to cut the rope that she used for a noose..

Evidence the victim was hog tied before and possibly during hanging

Evidence the victim had been manually strangled before she was hung

Evidence the victim had been raped with the handle of another knife found at the scene that had been used to cut her down from the balcony.

Lots more like that. Covered up by the San Diego County, CA sheriff and ME, among others.

And this is why I have a problem with all the "secrets" going on in this case! If you have no information given to you (public), how do you know that things are being investigated ? Is this case going to take "years" to solve and turn out to contain "corruption" also? It truly pizzes me off that we can not hold our officials accountable for this case and how it's being handled! In my book, even if Dewine is not holding back info in this case to help his election, it sure appears that way. I hope he realizes that.

 

[rsd1200]

My thoughts are anything that could be moved out of the trailers, furniture, personal items, paperwork, etc,etc was taken out of the trailers to look for clues/evidence in the murders before they were sealed. Wasn't BCI/LE moving a trailer load of evidence out of the warehouse the night Jamie Barr was there? I think they (BCI/LE) left those trailers there were everyone knew they were there, hoping someone would break in. Somewhere it was said , that while the trailers were still at their old addresses that people were coming up through the woods in back of them, and trying to break in them. LE never said who or why, but I believe the trailers would have been burned down or destroyed in some way and that thieves or suspects would have gotten into them. If true, what were they going after that they hadn't found during the murders? And if these murders were so well planned why did the perps leave the scenes before they got "it"?

Just pondering, maybe they were also concerned about folks who were not involved, getting into the trailers, out of morbid curiosity too. After the Ws sold their farm, someone trespassed there, and a No Trespassing sign, is very obvious, in the video of themselves, trespassing, of which they uploaded to YouTube. That was brazen. I almost believe there is something specific to the inside of the trailers, that they don't want us to know about. If a bold trespasser made it inside, word would get out.

 

[Betty P]

Just pondering, maybe they were also concerned about folks who were not involved, getting into the trailers, out of morbid curiosity too. After the Ws sold their farm, someone trespassed there, and a No Trespassing sign, is very obvious, in the video of themselves, trespassing, of which they uploaded to YouTube. That was brazen. I almost believe there is something specific to the inside of the trailers, that they don't want us to know about. If a bold trespasser made it inside, word would get out.

That's a risk, though, in many murder cases. Once LE has removed all the evidence they need, they leave the crime scene in place locked up, until it's no longer needed. It's pretty rare for LE to go to such great lengths to continue protecting a crime scene after evidence is stored away. In this case, they left the trailers in such a condition that the remaining contents have likely been rendered useless.

 

[Betty P]

My thoughts are anything that could be moved out of the trailers, furniture, personal items, paperwork, etc,etc was taken out of the trailers to look for clues/evidence in the murders before they were sealed. Wasn't BCI/LE moving a trailer load of evidence out of the warehouse the night Jamie Barr was there? I think they (BCI/LE) left those trailers there were everyone knew they were there, hoping someone would break in. Somewhere it was said , that while the trailers were still at their old addresses that people were coming up through the woods in back of them, and trying to break in them. LE never said who or why, but I believe the trailers would have been burned down or destroyed in some way and that thieves or suspects would have gotten into them. If true, what were they going after that they hadn't found during the murders? And if these murders were so well planned why did the perps leave the scenes before they got "it"?

According to articles I linked to a little ways back, they only took evidence from the trailers and put it in their evidence lockers. Furnishings, personal items, etc. were all left in the trailers. That's why surviving family members were trying to retrieve personal items nearly a year later. LE wouldn't allow it. It's possible they changed their mind since then, but it hasn't been confirmed.

 

[rsd1200]

That's a risk, though, in many murder cases. Once LE has removed all the evidence they need, they leave the crime scene in place locked up, until it's no longer needed. It's pretty rare for LE to go to such great lengths to continue protecting a crime scene after evidence is stored away. In this case, they left the trailers in such a condition that the remaining contents have likely been rendered useless.

Iirc, they shrink wrapped them. We have had our boat, back when we had one, sealed/shrink wrapped, for storage, and it was pristine come spring (the two happiest days of a boat owners life, are they day they buy it and they day they sell it...). I think that CR1's would have to have been the worst. If they removed the bedding in the other trailers, dried blood is going to be the main thing. No, I'd never want to live in them, but anything in the carpets had probably dried by the time they shrink wrapped them. If they have become useless, though, what was the point in taking them to begin with? Like you said, this was extremely rare. I don't recall ever seeing it done before. Why take them? That was a costly decision too.

 

[StrangeOne]

No matter what is said all 8 along with their surviving children and family members are victims. The killer/killers think the whole world has been outsmarted. I have wondered if there are other killings like this in OH or surrounding states.

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[amauet1]

Just pondering, maybe they were also concerned about folks who were not involved, getting into the trailers, out of morbid curiosity too. After the Ws sold their farm, someone trespassed there, and a No Trespassing sign, is very obvious, in the video of themselves, trespassing, of which they uploaded to YouTube. That was brazen. I almost believe there is something specific to the inside of the trailers, that they don't want us to know about. If a bold trespasser made it inside, word would get out.

I have seen those video's and they were done after trailers were moved, I think.

 

[amauet1]

I been thinking about how they got into CRsr's trailer. I noticed a bullet hole in his front window by the porch. Could the perps have shot guns out in front of his trailer to get his attention, and when he opened the front door, he either sent the dogs out, or they ran out. While he's at the front door someone could have used key in back door and surprised him and GR. What do you think?

 

[rsd1200]

According to articles I linked to a little ways back, they only took evidence from the trailers and put it in their evidence lockers. Furnishings, personal items, etc. were all left in the trailers. That's why surviving family members were trying to retrieve personal items nearly a year later. LE wouldn't allow it. It's possible they changed their mind since then, but it hasn't been confirmed.

Totally different circumstances, but, small town, and evidence. When I was a kid we walked in on a thief. He dropped the pillowcase full of stuff that he'd filled. LE was called, and took the bag of stuff as evidence. We've never seen it since that night. Well, I take that back. My Mother, went up, several months after the break-in, to ask for the items to be returned. They said they were processing them. As she was leaving, she saw her pillowcase, still full, and covered in dust, in a corner of the office. Upon pointing it out to them, they said they'd been very busy. They've apparently been very busy for several decades. Losing pictures, possibly items that have been handed down, sentimental items, family Bibles, etc... it's not right, but I have doubts that they'll ever see those items again. I really hope that I am wrong.

 

[rsd1200]

I have seen those video's and they were done after trailers were moved, I think.

Yes, it was after the trailers were moved, but the one that he actually got out and went onto the property, that I saw, was at the W's place, after they sold it to new folks.

 

[Gracie55]

Bird fighting, cartels, heroin, fentanyl go hand in hand, and legalization in the US has changed the playing field. Ohio has been hit hard.

There seems like a lot of LE enforcement goings on in that direction if you google creatively. Maybe we will see the connection eventually. I

The initials DH keep scrolling through my mind and I’m not talking about the hillbilly dude. This is a kind of surprising actor tied to cartel. Hm.

Local LE is likely awaiting feds to land their big fish and hoping none of their ranks have been bought. Reader is stalling trying to sell an uneasy public on stupid theories. Maybe they have?

To me this smacks of cartel or an insult to one of their lackeys.

(That’s when I’m not swayed by the antics some of the other players have pulled, need I mention names, Maybe we will even be surprised when it comes back some totally off the wall perp no one anticipated.)

This is all my humble opinion