OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #31

[rsd1200]

Just a little local news, probably doesn't have anything to do with the Rhoden case, but you never know.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...enberger-ohio-speaker-travel-condo/502388002/

Smh... :notgood:

 

[rsd1200]

You would think that the company would have some way of getting in touch with their workers out in the field in case there's an emergency at home, or for the worker to receive the next place they need to go work at, or emergency utility repair at some disaster.

I think that some folks who work at these type of jobs, go straight out to the work site. If cell coverage is sketchy then it might not have dawned on them. They probably thought he would get their messages, and call back he went to lunch. What is so odd to me is DS. He actually said that KR wasn't going to work that day. So he's knowing that and says nothing? Also, his story is different than the way KR2 remembers.

Stone said he was due to have spent the previous evening with his cousin and slept overnight there adding: 'If I had, I would have been victim number nine. I feel lucky about that and to be alive today.' He said: 'Kenneth would normally padlock the camper where he lived from the outside when he left.

'I was supposed to meet him the night before and go to work on some cars with him in the morning.


'When I didn't hear from him I went to the camper and it was unlocked and his truck was outside and I felt there must have been something wrong.


'It was the afternoon and he would normally be out working on cars at 5.30 am.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-feet-shot-head-reveals-man-horror-scene.html

 

[Betty P]

Smh... :notgood:

Remember, Cliff is the one who got a state grant for Hadsell Chemical in Waverly to build their warehouse/chemical compounding facility. Hadsell raised money from investors telling them they would earn big profits from making cannabis oils and lotions, etc. Went bankrupt, now under investigation by the SEC (IIRC) for defrauding investors. "There's no tellin' where the money went..."

Also stored the Rhoden family trailers for several months for PCSO for around $16,000.

Rhoden evidence warehouse raid targeted chemical company

http://www.fox19.com/story/34385076/rhoden-evidence-warehouse-raided-overnight

Deputies wearing uniforms and what appeared to be undercover agents gathered at the warehouse, collecting boxes of what appeared to be evidence.

...

Reader, in an 11:07 a.m. Facebook posting, Reader wrote: "To alleviate the mis [sic] reporting of Fox 19 ' Jody Barr , AGAIN, he reported the Hadsell Chemical building being "raided" last night, this is the facts: my office was in receipt of a civil Writ of Possession for Personal Property against Hadsell Chemical Processing LLC. WE DID NOT EXECUTE A SEARCH WARRANT and DID NOT "RAID" anyone."

On Monday night, we watched as deputies took boxes out of the warehouse and loaded them into an enclosed trailer outside.

That trailer was taken to the Pike County impound lot and locked inside a garage there.

Just after we got to the warehouse, two Pike County ambulances pulled up to the warehouse gate and spent several minutes talking with a deputy who was posted there awaiting the medics’ arrival. The deputy eventually allowed the EMS units inside the gate. Once inside, the ambulances parked along the western wall of the warehouse.
Reader issued the statement after multiple attempts to reach him that started around 12:30 a.m. Tuesday. Initially, a message left for him with the sheriff's Pike County dispatchers went unreturned. At 12:43 a.m., a call and message left on the sheriff's cell phone went unanswered and unreturned. We were eventually able to reach Reader through a text message at 12:56 a.m.

 

[Betty P]

You would think that the company would have some way of getting in touch with their workers out in the field in case there's an emergency at home, or for the worker to receive the next place they need to go work at, or emergency utility repair at some disaster.

Sadly, many employers like this don't really care about such things. They'll make sure to have a way to communicate with a supervisor and a way to contact EMS, fire dept, etc. in case of emergency, but otherwise they don't usually care about employees personal lives. They sound rather strict anyway in that KR was not allowed to return phone messages until his lunch break. There's probably a company rule that employees can't use their cell phones during work hours.

My son worked for a similar company a couple of years ago. They searched employees as they entered the job site, made them leave their cell phones in their cars/trucks while they worked. No way to make contact in case of an emergency. Company didn't care. At lunch, everyone went to their cars and caught up on phone calls/messages.

 

[Betty P]

Betty, I think you mentioned you had read the probate documents. Did you find KR's death certificate on his papers? His was the only one that didn't have one. And did you notice the additional family members filing for there piece of the pie from KR?

No, I didn't look that closely at KR's. Thanks for the heads up, will check again.

 

[rsd1200]

Remember, Cliff is the one who got a state grant for Hadsell Chemical in Waverly to build their warehouse/chemical compounding facility. Hadsell raised money from investors telling them they would earn big profits from making cannabis oils and lotions, etc. Went bankrupt, now under investigation by the SEC (IIRC) for defrauding investors. "There's no tellin' where the money went..."

Also stored the Rhoden family trailers for several months for PCSO for around $16,000.

Rhoden evidence warehouse raid targeted chemical company

http://www.fox19.com/story/34385076/rhoden-evidence-warehouse-raided-overnight



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This just doesn't set well.

 

[amauet1]

I think that some folks who work at these type of jobs, go straight out to the work site. If cell coverage is sketchy then it might not have dawned on them. They probably thought he would get their messages, and call back he went to lunch. What is so odd to me is DS. He actually said that KR wasn't going to work that day. So he's knowing that and says nothing? Also, his story is different than the way KR2 remembers.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-feet-shot-head-reveals-man-horror-scene.html

I know, it could have been to make sure he had a reason for his dna/fingerprints in the camper. But if that were true, SR who sent him and LR there would know something to. Why did he may a bee-line out to the garage to check on pot plants? That puzzles me to.

 

[amauet1]

Remember, Cliff is the one who got a state grant for Hadsell Chemical in Waverly to build their warehouse/chemical compounding facility. Hadsell raised money from investors telling them they would earn big profits from making cannabis oils and lotions, etc. Went bankrupt, now under investigation by the SEC (IIRC) for defrauding investors. "There's no tellin' where the money went..."

Also stored the Rhoden family trailers for several months for PCSO for around $16,000.

Rhoden evidence warehouse raid targeted chemical company

http://www.fox19.com/story/34385076/rhoden-evidence-warehouse-raided-overnight



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Maybe their starting to round up some of those higher ups.

 

[Betty P]

Maybe their starting to round up some of those higher ups.

There's not enough information to say, but it should stay on our radar because of the MJ manufacturing connection, close affiliation with Pike County & PCSO and, of course, storage of the Rhoden family trailers there and subsequent late night raid on the property by LE and undercover officers, accompanied by EMTs.

Apparently, Pike County is still involved in the mess

https://www.newswatchman.com/news/article_4b30716a-a523-5549-b3cb-dc51d21f2e45.html

Here's an old photo of the ceremony where Rep.Rosenberger awarded Hadsell the block grant

https://www.newswatchman.com/news/article_a87ca5ba-b3fc-11e1-bda7-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[Dudly]

Sadly, many employers like this don't really care about such things. They'll make sure to have a way to communicate with a supervisor and a way to contact EMS, fire dept, etc. in case of emergency, but otherwise they don't usually care about employees personal lives. They sound rather strict anyway in that KR was not allowed to return phone messages until his lunch break. There's probably a company rule that employees can't use their cell phones during work hours.

My son worked for a similar company a couple of years ago. They searched employees as they entered the job site, made them leave their cell phones in their cars/trucks while they worked. No way to make contact in case of an emergency. Company didn't care. At lunch, everyone went to their cars and caught up on phone calls/messages.

My nephew works for a company that does not allow you to use a cell phone in a company vehicle even if it is parked.... That is a bit much...

 

[Betty P]

Well, looks like Rep. Rosenberger will resign effective May 1

https://www.daytondailynews.com/new...nberger-stepping-down/dCtwkY4Jlu4cvkzifwMCOO/

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/04/cliff_rosenbergers_unlikely_te.html

I hope whomever replaces him can do more to help LE and the community to help find the Rhoden/Gilley family killers.

ETA: from the cleveland.com article above, Rosenberger was the one who pushed through the bill to legalize MJ.

ETA2: More news: Former Ohio Congressman John Boehner Joins Marijuana Firm's Advisory Board:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...boehner-joins-marijuana-firm-s-advisory-board

Also, another former aide to Gov. Kasich is getting involved in the medical MJ business, working to head up a lobbying firm for MJ growers

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/03/ohio_medical_marijuana_grower.html

The companies have formed the Ohio Medical Marijuana License Holder Coalition, a trade association that will represent the interests of companies awarded licenses by the state to cultivate, process and dispense medical marijuana on legislative, compliance and enforcement issues.

Companies hired Thomas and Matt Borges, lobbyists with Columbus law firm Roetzel & Andress, to set up the organization. Thomas is a former aide to Gov. John Kasich and was a registered lobbyist for the Kasich administration until December 2017, according to state records. Borges, a Kasich ally and former Ohio Republican Party chairman, previously represented a medical marijuana company that was not chosen for a cultivator license.

That's a lot of very powerful people now involved in running legal MJ grow ops in Ohio. I wonder what will happen to all the small, illegal growers similar to the Rhoden brothers?

 

[rsd1200]

I know, it could have been to make sure he had a reason for his dna/fingerprints in the camper. But if that were true, SR who sent him and LR there would know something to. Why did he may a bee-line out to the garage to check on pot plants? That puzzles me to.

I've wondered about this, and, at the time that they were murdered, it was early to be setting out plants. It would be early for here too. Last chance of a temps in the 32 degree, or below, zone would be at least a week, or two, away.

We only know that LE said that it was a large amount of plants, nothing about the size of the plants. Yes, they may have had a small, well put together, grow setup in one of those barns, and there may have been the leavings of last falls outdoor harvest in a couple places on the property.

However, what if someone either put those plants there, or put additional ones there, to make it look like it this was over weed. Those flats that you start your garden plants in, before setting them out, come in 5x10 layouts, or 50 plants to a tray. DS said he walked out to the garage and saw a tray of plants and thought they'd better call LE. Why? Why go wandering out to the barn when you find your kin murdered? If he was as tight with KR as he said he was, those plants were no surprise, anyway. Stacking four, 5x10 trays, in the vehicle, and setting them in the barns, wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to stage a scene. One could easily stack those in the boot of a vehicle.

Again, just some thoughts.

Sureroots, 50 Deep Cell Plug Trays

http://www.greenhousemegastore.com/...2gPrHGOTUWqf72SuhbE-CxGhY4JXop9YaAplKEALw_wcB

 

[rsd1200]

There's not enough information to say, but it should stay on our radar because of the MJ manufacturing connection, close affiliation with Pike County & PCSO and, of course, storage of the Rhoden family trailers there and subsequent late night raid on the property by LE and undercover officers, accompanied by EMTs.

Apparently, Pike County is still involved in the mess

https://www.newswatchman.com/news/article_4b30716a-a523-5549-b3cb-dc51d21f2e45.html

Here's an old photo of the ceremony where Rep.Rosenberger awarded Hadsell the block grant

https://www.newswatchman.com/news/article_a87ca5ba-b3fc-11e1-bda7-0019bb2963f4.html

It wants me to subscribe. Sadness. Could you summarize for me Betty? or anyone else? I've not even read enough to get blocked this month. They must know me now... I'm going to try and find another news source. I might subscribe if it isn't too pricey, I do like the NewsWatchman.

 

[Betty P]

It wants me to subscribe. Sadness. Could you summarize for me Betty? or anyone else? I've not even read enough to get blocked this month. They must know me now... I'm going to try and find another news source. I might subscribe if it isn't too pricey, I do like the NewsWatchman.

I'll have to subscribe, too. The older article, which I read more than a year ago, was basically announcing the grant and tax abatement scheme that Hadsell Chemical got to help them start the business. The first article is about how the state is pressuring Pike County Commissioners to account for the grant that was given to Hadsell Chemicals a few years ago, now that Hadsell has gone out of business. It sounds like it was a pass-through grant where the state gives the money to Pike County, who then gives the grant to the business - in this case Hadsell Chemical. The county has to make reports to the state on the status of the grants,not a good thing now with this one.

Here is a link to info about the grant

https://development.ohio.gov/HB420/ViewReport.aspx

Recipient Name

Recipient Number

ZIP Code

Division or Office

Fiscal Year

Loan or Grant

Award Amount

Amount Paid

Remaining Amount

County

Purchase Order Date

Source of Funds

Fund Code

ALI Description

Appropriation Line Item (ALI)

HADSELL CHEMICAL PROCESSING LLC

0000201326

45690

Strategic Business Investment

2012

Loan

$850,000.00

$850,000.00

$0.00

PIKE COUNTY

6/14/2012

FACILITIES ESTABLISHMENT

7037

FACILITIES ESTABLISHMENT

195615

Sorry I can't get it to format, but it basically says $850,000 was granted to the county and all of it was given the same year to Hadsell. Pike County may be on the hook for it and right now further grant funds to them have been stopped.

ETA: All of these funds are federal money, just passed through the state, then to counties. See report at link.

 

[rsd1200]

Well, looks like Rep. Rosenberger will resign effective May 1

https://www.daytondailynews.com/new...nberger-stepping-down/dCtwkY4Jlu4cvkzifwMCOO/

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/04/cliff_rosenbergers_unlikely_te.html

I hope whomever replaces him can do more to help LE and the community to help find the Rhoden/Gilley family killers.

ETA: from the cleveland.com article above, Rosenberger was the one who pushed through the bill to legalize MJ.

ETA2: More news: Former Ohio Congressman John Boehner Joins Marijuana Firm's Advisory Board:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...boehner-joins-marijuana-firm-s-advisory-board

Also, another former aide to Gov. Kasich is getting involved in the medical MJ business, working to head up a lobbying firm for MJ growers

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/03/ohio_medical_marijuana_grower.html





That's a lot of very powerful people now involved in running legal MJ grow ops in Ohio. I wonder what will happen to all the small, illegal growers similar to the Rhoden brothers?

BBM

I think there will still be a place for them, and, for the most part, they may be left alone, especially if they take weed off of the schedule with Heroin. Kinda like bootleggers when a town goes wet.

Bill Weld has also joined on the board.

Joining Boehner on Acreage's board is Bill Weld, the former governor of Massachusetts governor and, well, not the first person we'd expect Boehner, a Republican from Ohio, to team up with. Most recently, Weld, who says he has supported legalization since 1992, was the Libertarian Party's nominee for Vice President in the 2016 election.

Acreage founder CEO Kevin Murphy added that he expects Boehner and Weld to change the federal conversation around marijuana "overnight."

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a19745192/john-boehner-marijuana-advocate-acreage/

 

[rsd1200]

I'll have to subscribe, too. The older article, which I read more than a year ago, was basically announcing the grant and tax abatement scheme that Hadsell Chemical got to help them start the business. The first article is about how the state is pressuring Pike County Commissioners to account for the grant that was given to Hadsell Chemicals a few years ago, now that Hadsell has gone out of business. It sounds like it was a pass-through grant where the state gives the money to Pike County, who then gives the grant to the business - in this case Hadsell Chemical. The county has to make reports to the state on the status of the grants,not a good thing now with this one.

Here is a link to info about the grant

https://development.ohio.gov/HB420/ViewReport.aspx



Sorry I can't get it to format, but it basically says $850,000 was granted to the county and all of it was given the same year to Hadsell. Pike County may be on the hook for it and right now further grant funds to them have been stopped.

ETA: All of these funds are federal money, just passed through the state, then to counties. See report at link.

Curiosity, I wonder if some of the investors were out of Pike, or Pike area?

The SEC also alleges that Walton created fake purchase orders and falsified financial statements from Hadsell Chemical, which he gave to investors. And, the SEC alleges that, from January through at least August 2015, Walton told investors that $1.2 million of their money would be used to buy part of a business selling topical ointments containing cannabis.

Hmmmm, seems he has a green thumb too based on his locale. Also, the companies that don't have brick and mortar, that have CR1's name attached? I remember that at least one, if not all, were mostly health related, Adams Health something, (I'm guessing Adams, for Adams County), iirc. :thinking:

https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2017/lr23835.htm

 

[Nickandnora]

Curiosity, I wonder if some of the investors were out of Pike, or Pike area?



Hmmmm, seems he has a green thumb too based on his locale. Also, the companies that don't have brick and mortar, that have CR1's name attached? I remember that at least one, if not all, were mostly health related, Adams Health something, (I'm guessing Adams, for Adams County), iirc. :thinking:

https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2017/lr23835.htm

Adams Health Solutions, 100 Grove St, Peebles

 

[Bootsctr]

I've spent the morning going through the probate records and some new info has been released since the last time I checked them (last month). First of all on all the dockets (documents) I have found a death certificate except on Kenneth's. Some of the docs you can see and some you can't, but there is no death cert. listed on Kenneth's. I checked several times, I wonder why? All the insurance monies for HMR, FR and CRjr have been released to admin TR with a date of April 30th 2018 set for a hearing on the accounts. All had about 6,000.00 deducted from the accounts for debts and claims againest the estate. Maybe money was still owed on funerals or head stone?
FR's asset's included a 2000 Ford pickup that was listed as worth 100.00 because it was wrecked and totaled. 7.54 in the bank and his insurance money. No mention of the 3000.00 Derby car that everyone was so jealous of. The kids cars (HMR and CRjr) must have been in one of their parents names. HMR had income listed as 938.13. Their has been a guardian ad litem assigned for the minor children.
Dana and CRsr both have extensions filed on their asset lists. Inventory lists are due April 24th 2018.
On Kenneth's there are some things listed but it's just a partcial list because all asset's can't be listed until everything is released by LE, this includes Dana and CRsr's also. There is KR's final paycheck of 744.96 and 671.26 in a bank account, 13 cars listed, but value not included until release and appraised. Also included in Kenneth's documents the property co owned by CRsr, TR, BR1 and KR. Properties have been appraised and value listed. All together property value is 120,500.00. Each owned 1/4 share that comes to 30,125.00 each.
Just thought some would like to know this.

Thank you amauet1! I find this fascinating for some reason. I was under the impression that none of the insurance monies would be paid out because CR1 by having the indoor pot grows and that would be a felony. I'm glad the family was able to obtain the insurance monies. My personal situation involved insurance not paying because the insured person was killed while committing a felony of breaking and entering.

I feel sort of like RSD that KR may have been the unwitting informant to the murderers, but I also put BJM in that category too.

Eight people murdered for custody of a child seems like overkill. However, I find it interesting that at least one male heir was murdered at each crime scene. When I look at this video that Betty P posted in the Media & Timeline thread:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/04/24/ohio-killings-marijuana-grow-operations-nick-valencia.cnn

I very much get the feeling that this was a compound, the Rhoden compound. I don't want to say similar to Waco, but it just reminds me of a compound. At the end, the reporter says that a good friend of Dana felt that the family had been stalked. Sheriff warned everyone to arm themselves, but the reporter said everyone he had talked to was very pro #2A and were already armed (sounds like my county and state). Reporter talks about how LE was very familiar with the R's and this reporter said they dug into court records. I know y'all have hashed and rehashed this information so I apologize for bring it up again. It just seems as we approach the 2nd anniversary that something is in the air. It has to be horrible for the people living right there who knew the Rhodens (and extended relatives) on a personal level, worked with them and partied with them. Now I'm spooking myself! I don't blame the W's for leaving town (not that they didn't play a part in order to be able to get custody of S). I bet others would leave too if they could afford the move.

One of the small outbuildings looked as if it had a solar panel on the roof. Not positive, but it kinda looked like a solar panel. Very, very unassuming building and if you just glanced at it, you probably wouldn't think twice about that being a pot grow. I wonder if CR1 took advantage of the added incentive of a tax credit by purchasing some solar panels.



There were 2 other children besides the newborn infant K and little S. And since K was DNA-proven to be a G too, is that the same G family as HHG? Gotta give credit where credit is due, these people do NOT LEAK INFORMATION! Washington should take notes on how not to leak information. LE showed LM what lengths they were willing to go to in order to shut LM up. Another thought is that that tracking device LE attached to JM's truck and they also attached one to the W's vehicles, but I think that vehicle was left behind (no link). I wonder if JW tipped JM off about the tracking device being on his truck too? I know JM was supposedly working on his truck when he found the device, but he could have been tipped off. These murders were methodical and it feels mafia-like to me.

ETA: DS is fishy to me too.

For the record, I live in Texas and yes I am a redneck. I am 100% positive if I lived in Ohio that I would definitely be a hillbilly.

 

[rsd1200]

Adams Health Solutions, 100 Grove St, Peebles

I think that I know who used this building, and for what, but, I don't understand why it was registered in CR2's name. If my thinking is correct; Why would I register a business in my name, in a field that I've never been associated with, for someone of no relation to me, to set up shop, in a building that I do not own?

 

[amauet1]

Well, looks like Rep. Rosenberger will resign effective May 1

https://www.daytondailynews.com/new...nberger-stepping-down/dCtwkY4Jlu4cvkzifwMCOO/

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/04/cliff_rosenbergers_unlikely_te.html

I hope whomever replaces him can do more to help LE and the community to help find the Rhoden/Gilley family killers.

ETA: from the cleveland.com article above, Rosenberger was the one who pushed through the bill to legalize MJ.

ETA2: More news: Former Ohio Congressman John Boehner Joins Marijuana Firm's Advisory Board:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...boehner-joins-marijuana-firm-s-advisory-board

Also, another former aide to Gov. Kasich is getting involved in the medical MJ business, working to head up a lobbying firm for MJ growers

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/03/ohio_medical_marijuana_grower.html





That's a lot of very powerful people now involved in running legal MJ grow ops in Ohio. I wonder what will happen to all the small, illegal growers similar to the Rhoden brothers?

Ok, following your line of thought. RW and CRsr had a medical LLC formed in Adams Co in (can't remember the year). RW owns BBL which is a resort where both rich and poor rent out camping spots and hang out for "recreation". RW has businesses in various circles of interest, in Ohio and other states. Could RW have received inside info before other businesses in and around Ohio about this legallization of medical mj coming to Ohio? I'm assuming that since the Rhoden family always worked at BBL and help build it , that RW was aware that KR and CRsr grew mj.
While waiting for the legalization to come through, CRsr and KR begin planning for larger grows, maybe outside and inside grow ups to increase the productiveity of the mj. This would require more land for future growths and profits, so CRsr began buying up foreclosures and aquiring more land. Bankers and other Higher Ups could be in this circle providing help with money and inside info about the lands that could be bought at a low price. This would keep the higher ups hands clean since the only name on things that can be traced would be CRsr's.
Here's where it gets tricky. If this is the scenerio, it means that CRsr was going legit and making lots of money, the potencial profits could immense!
Now who would know of this? I've "heard" about plans made by Dana and CRsr wanting to retire after CRJrc graduated high school and move to Florida. Family would know and whomever else because I've again "herad" that Dana liked to talk.