OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #31

[Nickandnora]

Did they have open casket funerals?

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The only closed casket was HMG, she was the first one buried also. the others were buried a few days later. GR was next then CRsr and DR and their children, K R was the next day.

 

[Betty P]

Sherriff Reader and Leonard Manley have reiterated their belief it was locals who committed the genecide of the Rhoden's.

Please correct me but in recent memory the only people who are pushing hard the Mexican Cartel is the Wagners.

But the family's lawyer slammed the investigation for wasting time.
John Kearson Clark told DailyMail.com: 'Authorities have had leads. They have dropped the ball and not acted quick enough… time is of the essence in these type of cases.
<snip>
He said he believed the real answers to the murders lay with drug lords who police had failed to locate.
'I find it Interesting that the public said over a year ago, that the "Mexican cartel" was responsible for the execution-style murders of the Rhoden family.
'Maybe the public was correct a year ago, and the clueless authorities bungled, fumbled and missed out on solving these atrocious murders.'
He said the Wagners had supplied police with invaluable information to help the investigation.
'Why have the authorities not follow up on the leads that the Wagners wanted to give? Is it because the authorities carelessly waited 4-5 months to get back to Billy Wagner?
'Only now doing so, unexpectedly in a public place, and hence, putting the Wagners lives in danger? Malfeasance and incompetence at its finest.'​

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...focus-multiple-murder-hunt.html#ixzz59jYSwYbq


Almost as a rebuttal numerous times Sheriff Reader has repeated his mantra that the perps were locals.

Police have not gone on record to state the Wagners are suspects but their public information appeal led to them being labeled as persons of 'special focus.'A Piketon police spokesperson said officers were 'interested in receiving information regarding any interactions, conversations, dealings, or transactions that the public may have had with these individuals (Wagners), which could be personal, business, or otherwise. Specifically information&#8230; regarding vehicles, firearms, and ammunition.'​

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...focus-multiple-murder-hunt.html#ixzz59jXhZ8ue


I think it was a cumulative festering hatred of the Rhoden family.
i.e. [FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold]Hey I'm drilling down on this!The only survivors are kids under the age of 3.[/FONT][FONT=.SF UI Text]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold]Timeline motive & opportunity. Who possibly (inconsistencies)would have legitimate reason to be at CS. (covers why there could any DNA of theirs). LE says crime personal and locals are not talking. Perps took out the adults and anyone who could assume custody of (fill in blank). Who's been trying to get custody from a Rhoden's.

Finally I will never forget what Leonard Manley said about the early morning text between JM and JW.

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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold]Leonard Manley believes the text message is the impetus behind investigators&#8217; interest in his son. He said he did not know what the text message said.[/FONT][/FONT]​

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Please feel free to poke holes. oke:

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LOL with poking. We're good at that here, but I guess that's how we'll help get this resolved.

WRT outsiders and cartel involvement, I think some of us view cartel involvement as either domestic or foreign. It may not be a Mexican cartel per se. There are other types of organized crime groups (also cartels) that operate in the US and in the southern Ohio region. JMO, it could be either one, but an organization that has access to experienced killers capable of pulling off this kind of operation.

Also, there are probably two categories of suspects: Those who helped plan it and those who did the killing.

Re JM: The text message is important, but we're not sure how. If JM is the killer, LE would not have dropped charges and released him. They would have kept him locked up. They used the tampering charges as a way to force him to talk to the grand jury, to find out what he knows, who he communicated with and what was said. They wouldn't do this if he was a suspect in the murders.

LM's remarks about LE covering things up is important. It implies some complicity by LE and possibly others in the community. If that were the case, how would that affect Reader's public messaging about the case and suspects? If LE were involved in some way, would Reader want to bring them to justice? What about Pike Co prosecutor Junk? If they identify the suspects, is Junk somehow refusing to prosecute saying they don't have enough evidence?

Could it be that LE knows the killers but also knows if they're arrested they will start talking about others involved who community leaders want to protect? Hence, no arrests. It would explain why they've gone to great lengths to hide evidence and lock up the trailers. Perhaps if the public & news media have access to that, everyone will figure out who was involved. Are the killers holding LE hostage with information LE doesn't want revealed?

ETA: Also adding that other LE may want to protect someone. Early on, I thought the secretive behavior might be to protect undercover agents or informants working in the area. Two years on, that seems less likely. They've had plenty of time to pull undercover people out and wrap up any other ongoing investigation.

 

[Betty P]

I have wondered if there was messages left in the homes since they had to kept from public eyes. Maybe the killers identified themselves as part of the warning as to what can happen...

Seems likely. If that led to solving these murders, you would think LE would reveal it. LE in other cases often reveal that information (Manson family murders, etc). As we've discussed before, with 4 crime scenes, LE probably has plenty of information to hold back in order to rule out false confessions. Is there really a need to keep this secret, too? Maybe not.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Do you think that Reader thinks the W's did it all by themselves? Just curious.

Basically, with the help of JM or AM giving them info on DR's movements. That 2:00 AM text from JM's phone bothers me. If he worked days would he have been up that late at night? It is possible that AM was. I think it was either JW and hid dad or JW and his brother or possibly all three. But I do think the W's are involved.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I still don't see JM as participating in the massacre of his own sister, nieces and nephews. I do see him as possibly someone who was set up to take the blame, though. The W family seem the most likely suspects to have been involved, whether directly or indirectly.

I think LM has a pretty good idea, too, of who was behind it. I still keep going back to his remarks that LE was going to cover it up, just as they've covered up everything for years. Slightly OT, the reason we don't hear from LM anymore is that he and other family members are under a gag order - evidence that there is a grand jury, run by Rob Junk, working on this case. I wonder if there's a federal grand jury working on it, too?

Maybe the GJ will come back with an indictment then. Hoping....

 

[Dudly]

LOL with poking. We're good at that here, but I guess that's how we'll help get this resolved.

WRT outsiders and cartel involvement, I think some of us view cartel involvement as either domestic or foreign. It may not be a Mexican cartel per se. There are other types of organized crime groups (also cartels) that operate in the US and in the southern Ohio region. JMO, it could be either one, but an organization that has access to experienced killers capable of pulling off this kind of operation.

Also, there are probably two categories of suspects: Those who helped plan it and those who did the killing.

Re JM: The text message is important, but we're not sure how. If JM is the killer, LE would not have dropped charges and released him. They would have kept him locked up. They used the tampering charges as a way to force him to talk to the grand jury, to find out what he knows, who he communicated with and what was said. They wouldn't do this if he was a suspect in the murders.

LM's remarks about LE covering things up is important. It implies some complicity by LE and possibly others in the community. If that were the case, how would that affect Reader's public messaging about the case and suspects? If LE were involved in some way, would Reader want to bring them to justice? What about Pike Co prosecutor Junk? If they identify the suspects, is Junk somehow refusing to prosecute saying they don't have enough evidence?

Could it be that LE knows the killers but also knows if they're arrested they will start talking about others involved who community leaders want to protect? Hence, no arrests. It would explain why they've gone to great lengths to hide evidence and lock up the trailers. Perhaps if the public & news media have access to that, everyone will figure out who was involved. Are the killers holding LE hostage with information LE doesn't want revealed?

ETA: Also adding that other LE may want to protect someone. Early on, I thought the secretive behavior might be to protect undercover agents or informants working in the area. Two years on, that seems less likely. They've had plenty of time to pull undercover people out and wrap up any other ongoing investigation.

They have made it very difficult, if not impossible, to dismiss a cover up and/or protecting people. I thought protecting an undercover operation for a long time but that should have been finished, I would think, by now...

 

[Dudly]

Seems likely. If that led to solving these murders, you would think LE would reveal it. LE in other cases often reveal that information (Manson family murders, etc). As we've discussed before, with 4 crime scenes, LE probably has plenty of information to hold back in order to rule out false confessions. Is there really a need to keep this secret, too? Maybe not.

Why is EVERYTHING secret????

 

[Dudly]

Seems likely. If that led to solving these murders, you would think LE would reveal it. LE in other cases often reveal that information (Manson family murders, etc). As we've discussed before, with 4 crime scenes, LE probably has plenty of information to hold back in order to rule out false confessions. Is there really a need to keep this secret, too? Maybe not.

To that I say, why is EVERYTHING secret????The reason for the secrecy may be more important and anything else in this case...

 

[rsd1200]

BBM

Because I have been stuck on what the young smoker said for a few days and think it is important in some way, what about a theory that instead of a rumor about cash in a safe, it was a rumor about a large stash of pills that CR1 was selling? If it was a rumor going round that the R's were selling pills, it would explain what the guy said and explain why LE did not mention the R's selling pills.

What does everyone think?

JMO

I think that could be possible. If someone passing through, or from a nearby county, got stuck up in lockup and, for instance;

Someone bought weed from the Rs, and, could've scored a couple pills. While in lockup, they start gettin' chatty with the outsider dude(s). The outsider, overhears the others talking about the Rs, and someone pipes up, I heard Big C, was has gotten into dealing in X and had a whole safe full of the stuff, packed, with X and cash. Yada yada yada... Other dude, starts formulating their plan and starts talking up the fellas in jail. The locals, and any Rs in there, too. Maybe gettin all friendly with one or two of the Rs, as in, when the get out; Remember me dude? I was in Pike County lockup w/you? Hmu. Plan picks up speed.

Something like that?

 

[rsd1200]

It's odd. Very odd. How much have other friends, family, etc. validated the story of an MJ grow op?

It would be helpful if someone local stepped forward and said "yes, we saw the evidence or somehow knew the Rhoden men had a grow op." It's almost as if they're afraid to say, one way or another. Is LE intimidating these people to keep them quiet?

That's an entire topic unto its own in this case - very little discussion of the family and their murders. There have been some interviews of a few close family and friends (DS, BJM, LM, KR's daughter, TR, JW, etc.) Unfortunately, anyone who has talked in the news media has been accused of being complicit in the murders by rumor mongerers. Surely there are people out there who could speak up to validate or deny the MJ claims. Given past treatment by others who have spoken out, its easy to understand why some haven't.

I've gone back and forth on this, but I think there may have been some grow ops there, but an operation not quite as large as LE claimed. Ask me again next week, and I'll probably change my mind. :thinking:

These folks have been labeled "Drug Dealers". They've potentially done something to bring swift and brutal retribution upon themselves. Speaking up,says: I'm friends with the Drug Dealers, and/or their Family Members, who were just murdered, execution-style, in their homes, and their firearms, dogs, nor security systems, and most certainly, LE, could not save them.

Customers of drug dealers don't fit a certain demographic either. Jeff Ruby sure snatched back that $25k reward after Dewine made his little announcement. He didn't want to be associated, even if it meant getting the murderer(s) of a 16 y/o boy, and two young mothers, off the street. That's pretty rich, (no pun intended), and it speaks volumes. Folks have reputations...

 

[Betty P]

These folks have been labeled "Drug Dealers". They've potentially done something to bring swift and brutal retribution upon themselves. Speaking up,says: I'm friends with the Drug Dealers, and/or their Family Members, who were just murdered, execution-style, in their homes, and their firearms, dogs, nor security systems, and most certainly, LE, could not save them.

Customers of drug dealers don't fit a certain demographic either. Jeff Ruby sure snatched back that $25k reward after Dewine made his little announcement. He didn't want to be associated, even if it meant getting the murderer(s) of a 16 y/o boy, and two young mothers, off the street. That's pretty rich, (no pun intended), and it speaks volumes. Folks have reputations...

I don't know. A lot of that is probably gossip. LE would have mentioned if drug dealing was involved. Drug dealing isn't the only thing that can get your family massacred. Talking to LE, especially the feds, is probably right up at the top of the list. Stealing or owing a lot of money to the big bosses is also at the top of the list. Those were the two top reasons I was given when I discussed it with former LE.

What if someone local who had a grudge against the Rhodens and was also involved in the local MJ/drug biz decided to tell the big bosses that Rhodens were snitching, even if they weren't? What if a local LEO who was friendly to the local drug trade decided to validate that story? What if the local drug mule/dealer with a grudge and the LEO started whispering in the big boss's ear that they would need to take out CR1, KR, GR, Frankie, etc. and the big boss just said "let's kill them all". Then the local drug mule/dealer with a grudge said "don't kill all of them, just save the babies and small children. Tell me when you're going to do it and I'll make sure my kid isn't there". I suppose that would explain why the local drug mule/dealer had to leave town.

 

[Betty P]

I don't know. A lot of that is probably gossip. LE would have mentioned if drug dealing was involved. Drug dealing isn't the only thing that can get your family massacred. Talking to LE, especially the feds, is probably right up at the top of the list. Stealing or owing a lot of money to the big bosses is also at the top of the list. Those were the two top reasons I was given when I discussed it with former LE.

What if someone local who had a grudge against the Rhodens and was also involved in the local MJ/drug biz decided to tell the big bosses that Rhodens were snitching, even if they weren't? What if a local LEO who was friendly to the local drug trade decided to validate that story? What if the local drug mule/dealer with a grudge and the LEO started whispering in the big boss's ear that they would need to take out CR1, KR, GR, Frankie, etc. and the big boss just said "let's kill them all". Then the local drug mule/dealer with a grudge said "don't kill all of them, just save the babies and small children. Tell me when you're going to do it and I'll make sure my kid isn't there". I suppose that would explain why the local drug mule/dealer had to leave town.

ETA: What if CR1 was tired of having to deal with a crooked cop who was always demanding a cut of his MJ revenue and threatened the cop in some way? Yeah, someone was enraged at the Rhodens, but it wasn't the outrage of upright local citizens.

The only reason I'm putting a possible crooked LEO or other community leader in the scenario is because of LM's remark about "them covering it up, like they've been doing for years".

 

[rsd1200]

I want to clarify my earlier post, above, #510. Jack Ruby, came up from a terrible childhood. His story is really unbelievable, and inspiring. However, something is off with his retraction. I'm not accusing him of anything, either. This is just strange.

Jeff Ruby could afford to offer a $25k reward. He is a generous man. His net worth is reportedly around $850k.(1) I'd not be surprised if he had security, but I could be wrong.

The point of the post, if you'll hang in here with me, is, that if a man in Ruby's position, and history of putting up rewards, offers this huge reward on 4/23/2016, and then pulls it, five days later: UPDATE on Thursday, April 28, 12:20 p.m.: Jeff Ruby has withdrawn his $25,000 reward because of the "recent complex criminal developments" surrounding the Pike County case, according to a post on his Twitter page. Ruby told The Enquirer his advisers have asked him not to talk publicly about his decision, and he has declined comment.(2)

"In a Tweet posted around 6:15 p.m. Friday, Ruby said, "The savage execution of the Rhoden family was barbaric! If by cartel, my involvement puts our family in harms way." The tweet included what appeared to be a picture of Ruby and family.Ruby might have also hinted at his reasoning for withdrawing the money in a Thursday Twitter post in which he used the hashtag, "#6kids4grandkids."
Ruby told The Enquirer Thursday he had been advised not to discuss withdrawing his money from the investigation.
Ruby has since protected his tweets, so only confirmed followers can view them." (2)

With that said, in an article dated May 22, 2017;

Cincinnati restaurateur Jeff Ruby is known as much for his rewards and taking on criminals as he is for his steaks.

Ruby offered a $10,000 reward to find the people who murdered a 9-year-old girl in Mount Auburn and, most famously, kicked O.J. Simpson out of his Louisville steakhouse in 2007.

Donte Rogers, 21, who had worked for Ruby for three years, was shot in the back at his home in Evanston. It ended up being was killed in a drug-related dispute with a man who had nothing to do with the murder case. Ruby feared the young man would become the latest unsolved murder in Cincinnati. He contacted the president of the Fraternal Order of Police and decided the best way to find Donte's murderer was to offer a reward -- his very first -- of $5,000. Ruby said that's all it took. "The next day they find the murderer," he said. (3)

Despite assurances from police, worried witnesses in several other homicide cases called detectives Monday saying they now are afraid to testify because they don't want to end up like Rogers. Police detectives spent much of the day meeting with those witnesses in an effort to change their minds. (4)

Finally, 3/27/2017; Ruby is offering $10,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of a person responsible for the fatal shooting of one and injury of 17 others at the Cameo nightclub. Police said the club has a history of gun violence. (5)

If Jeff Ruby, a man who is in the habit of offering rewards, pulls his reward, then what about the folks who live in that town, county, region? If Ruby didn't want to get near this, who has the money hire protection, why would the average person in Piketon take the risk?



(1) Jeff Ruby: The story behind the provocative, outspoken restaurateur/net worth.

https://networthpost.com/net-worth/jeff-ruby-net-worth/


(2) Reason Jeff Ruby Rescinded $25k Reward in Piketon Murders
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/04/23/jeff-ruby-offers-25k-arrest-pike-co-mass-shooter/83432754/

(3) Cincinnati restaurateur Jeff Ruby is known as much for his rewards and taking on criminals as he is for his steaks.
http://http://www.wlwt.com/article/meet-jeff-ruby-the-story-behind-the-provocative-outspoken-restaurateur/9908482

(4) Shooting tied to drugs not revenge.
URL="http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/08/10/loc_loc1ahomicide.html"]http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/08/10/loc_loc1ahomicide.html[/URL]

(5)Ruby Offers Reward for Nightclub Shooting.
https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/03/27/jeff-ruby-offers-10-000-reward-in-nightclub.html

 

[rsd1200]

I don't know. A lot of that is probably gossip. LE would have mentioned if drug dealing was involved. Drug dealing isn't the only thing that can get your family massacred. Talking to LE, especially the feds, is probably right up at the top of the list. Stealing or owing a lot of money to the big bosses is also at the top of the list. Those were the two top reasons I was given when I discussed it with former LE.

What if someone local who had a grudge against the Rhodens and was also involved in the local MJ/drug biz decided to tell the big bosses that Rhodens were snitching, even if they weren't? What if a local LEO who was friendly to the local drug trade decided to validate that story? What if the local drug mule/dealer with a grudge and the LEO started whispering in the big boss's ear that they would need to take out CR1, KR, GR, Frankie, etc. and the big boss just said "let's kill them all". Then the local drug mule/dealer with a grudge said "don't kill all of them, just save the babies and small children. Tell me when you're going to do it and I'll make sure my kid isn't there". I suppose that would explain why the local drug mule/dealer had to leave town.

But, they were drug dealers. What else would you call CR1, and KR, if they sold weed? To me, weed ain't nothin', it's a phenomenal pain reliever, especially for neuropathic pain, but they're still dealers, whether it's Heroin or weed. If one of them was snitchin' they could've just made that one disappear.

Maybe it was a setup. Maybe the assailant(s) were going to set up a meet w/ CR1 and GR at the trailer (or insert KR). They send in a decoy and the decoy texts when it's time to hit them. It's possible only CR1 & GR were the initial targets, but they'd been seen, and recognized, by a couple other of the R's who were murdered, while they were there. Is it possible the other R's knew, and recognized them, and , it would stick in their memory, because they were not regulars to the area. They were visitors from Ky.?

 

[amauet1]

LOL with poking. We're good at that here, but I guess that's how we'll help get this resolved.

WRT outsiders and cartel involvement, I think some of us view cartel involvement as either domestic or foreign. It may not be a Mexican cartel per se. There are other types of organized crime groups (also cartels) that operate in the US and in the southern Ohio region. JMO, it could be either one, but an organization that has access to experienced killers capable of pulling off this kind of operation.

Also, there are probably two categories of suspects: Those who helped plan it and those who did the killing.

Re JM: The text message is important, but we're not sure how. If JM is the killer, LE would not have dropped charges and released him. They would have kept him locked up. They used the tampering charges as a way to force him to talk to the grand jury, to find out what he knows, who he communicated with and what was said. They wouldn't do this if he was a suspect in the murders.

LM's remarks about LE covering things up is important. It implies some complicity by LE and possibly others in the community. If that were the case, how would that affect Reader's public messaging about the case and suspects? If LE were involved in some way, would Reader want to bring them to justice? What about Pike Co prosecutor Junk? If they identify the suspects, is Junk somehow refusing to prosecute saying they don't have enough evidence?

Could it be that LE knows the killers but also knows if they're arrested they will start talking about others involved who community leaders want to protect? Hence, no arrests. It would explain why they've gone to great lengths to hide evidence and lock up the trailers. Perhaps if the public & news media have access to that, everyone will figure out who was involved. Are the killers holding LE hostage with information LE doesn't want revealed?

ETA: Also adding that other LE may want to protect someone. Early on, I thought the secretive behavior might be to protect undercover agents or informants working in the area. Two years on, that seems less likely. They've had plenty of time to pull undercover people out and wrap up any other ongoing investigation.

In my point of view, if there is corruption from local LE, then why hasn't "higher ups" in authority found this out? Or are they in the mix also? I have also thought of undercover agents being involved. In my belief's these "task forces" have been going on since the early 2000's (maybe earlier). Could "the powers that be" be investigating local business owner's, banks and prominent families in the area who could be involved? It sounds like a giant spider lose on the community! For some reason, it seemed that LM when he was vocal, was extremely pizzed off with local LE and didn't seem to scared to talk about them. But the way family, friends, community, media has remained quiet they are scared. Of what or whom? Who could all those people be afraid of?

 

[amauet1]

Seems likely. If that led to solving these murders, you would think LE would reveal it. LE in other cases often reveal that information (Manson family murders, etc). As we've discussed before, with 4 crime scenes, LE probably has plenty of information to hold back in order to rule out false confessions. Is there really a need to keep this secret, too? Maybe not.

Them taking the homes and putting them in storage was strange to me also. But finding out that LE was watching the place with CCTV camera's, sounds like they were waiting for someone to break in for some reason. Most crime scenes are recorded on video and by photographing everything. So what was left in the trailers that LE felt that a murder suspect would endanger themselves or be stupid enough to go after and be caught?

 

[amauet1]

Basically, with the help of JM or AM giving them info on DR's movements. That 2:00 AM text from JM's phone bothers me. If he worked days would he have been up that late at night? It is possible that AM was. I think it was either JW and hid dad or JW and his brother or possibly all three. But I do think the W's are involved.

JMO

I also believe that JM and AM are involved. The W's could have provided ammo, gun, 4 wheeler, info I feel they are involved in that way maybe?

 

[amauet1]

I don't know. A lot of that is probably gossip. LE would have mentioned if drug dealing was involved. Drug dealing isn't the only thing that can get your family massacred. Talking to LE, especially the feds, is probably right up at the top of the list. Stealing or owing a lot of money to the big bosses is also at the top of the list. Those were the two top reasons I was given when I discussed it with former LE.

What if someone local who had a grudge against the Rhodens and was also involved in the local MJ/drug biz decided to tell the big bosses that Rhodens were snitching, even if they weren't? What if a local LEO who was friendly to the local drug trade decided to validate that story? What if the local drug mule/dealer with a grudge and the LEO started whispering in the big boss's ear that they would need to take out CR1, KR, GR, Frankie, etc. and the big boss just said "let's kill them all". Then the local drug mule/dealer with a grudge said "don't kill all of them, just save the babies and small children. Tell me when you're going to do it and I'll make sure my kid isn't there". I suppose that would explain why the local drug mule/dealer had to leave town.

You would think that CRsr being in the "business" for how long? Would know better than to rip somebody big off. If this were true, he must have been very desperate to do something like that. Even "snitching" on someone "big", he would know that he put his whole family in extreme danger. Which lets me to think that he considered the person/person's he was dealing with to be "a friend" or someone who would not have gone to these extreme's (murders). Even with all of the troubles the Rhoden's had going on in their lives, I can't get over them not being more careful in the safety of their families. It makes sense that they were not aware of the danger they truly were in. Who was feeding them information that they should just be careful and not on alert?

 

[amauet1]

I want to clarify my earlier post, above, #510. Jack Ruby, came up from a terrible childhood. His story is really unbelievable, and inspiring. However, something is off with his retraction. I'm not accusing him of anything, either. This is just strange.

Jeff Ruby could afford to offer a $25k reward. He is a generous man. His net worth is reportedly around $850k.(1) I'd not be surprised if he had security, but I could be wrong.

The point of the post, if you'll hang in here with me, is, that if a man in Ruby's position, and history of putting up rewards, offers this huge reward on 4/23/2016, and then pulls it, five days later: UPDATE on Thursday, April 28, 12:20 p.m.: Jeff Ruby has withdrawn his $25,000 reward because of the "recent complex criminal developments" surrounding the Pike County case, according to a post on his Twitter page. Ruby told The Enquirer his advisers have asked him not to talk publicly about his decision, and he has declined comment.(2)

"In a Tweet posted around 6:15 p.m. Friday, Ruby said, "The savage execution of the Rhoden family was barbaric! If by cartel, my involvement puts our family in harms way." The tweet included what appeared to be a picture of Ruby and family.Ruby might have also hinted at his reasoning for withdrawing the money in a Thursday Twitter post in which he used the hashtag, "#6kids4grandkids."
Ruby told The Enquirer Thursday he had been advised not to discuss withdrawing his money from the investigation.
Ruby has since protected his tweets, so only confirmed followers can view them." (2)

With that said, in an article dated May 22, 2017;

Cincinnati restaurateur Jeff Ruby is known as much for his rewards and taking on criminals as he is for his steaks.

Ruby offered a $10,000 reward to find the people who murdered a 9-year-old girl in Mount Auburn and, most famously, kicked O.J. Simpson out of his Louisville steakhouse in 2007.

Donte Rogers, 21, who had worked for Ruby for three years, was shot in the back at his home in Evanston. It ended up being was killed in a drug-related dispute with a man who had nothing to do with the murder case. Ruby feared the young man would become the latest unsolved murder in Cincinnati. He contacted the president of the Fraternal Order of Police and decided the best way to find Donte's murderer was to offer a reward -- his very first -- of $5,000. Ruby said that's all it took. "The next day they find the murderer," he said. (3)

Despite assurances from police, worried witnesses in several other homicide cases called detectives Monday saying they now are afraid to testify because they don't want to end up like Rogers. Police detectives spent much of the day meeting with those witnesses in an effort to change their minds. (4)

Finally, 3/27/2017; Ruby is offering $10,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of a person responsible for the fatal shooting of one and injury of 17 others at the Cameo nightclub. Police said the club has a history of gun violence. (5)

If Jeff Ruby, a man who is in the habit of offering rewards, pulls his reward, then what about the folks who live in that town, county, region? If Ruby didn't want to get near this, who has the money hire protection, why would the average person in Piketon take the risk?



(1) Jeff Ruby: The story behind the provocative, outspoken restaurateur/net worth.

https://networthpost.com/net-worth/jeff-ruby-net-worth/


(2) Reason Jeff Ruby Rescinded $25k Reward in Piketon Murders
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...ers-25k-arrest-pike-co-mass-shooter/83432754/

(3) Cincinnati restaurateur Jeff Ruby is known as much for his rewards and taking on criminals as he is for his steaks.
http://http://www.wlwt.com/article/...he-provocative-outspoken-restaurateur/9908482

(4) Shooting tied to drugs not revenge.
URL="http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/08/10/loc_loc1ahomicide.html"]http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/08/10/loc_loc1ahomicide.html[/URL]

(5)Ruby Offers Reward for Nightclub Shooting.
https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinn...f-ruby-offers-10-000-reward-in-nightclub.html

Very true, either he was concerned about his and his families safety, or his businesses, or both. That speaks of someone very powerful.

 

[Betty P]

But, they were drug dealers. What else would you call CR1, and KR, if they sold weed? To me, weed ain't nothin', it's a phenomenal pain reliever, especially for neuropathic pain, but they're still dealers, whether it's Heroin or weed. If one of them was snitchin' they could've just made that one disappear.

Maybe it was a setup. Maybe the assailant(s) were going to set up a meet w/ CR1 and GR at the trailer (or insert KR). They send in a decoy and the decoy texts when it's time to hit them. It's possible only CR1 & GR were the initial targets, but they'd been seen, and recognized, by a couple other of the R's who were murdered, while they were there. Is it possible the other R's knew, and recognized them, and , it would stick in their memory, because they were not regulars to the area. They were visitors from Ky.?

I'm still going with the opinions of many pros in the aftermath that it was well-planned operation. There were too many risks in a spontaneous mass murder. Too easy for someone to be alerted, to call 911 or grab weapons and shoot back. Most indicative was their ability to kill CR1 & GR not far from Frankie's trailer.

I also dispute the opinion big in the rumor mill that there were lots of people going in and out of CR1s trailer all the time. If that was his place of business, his grow op, the place where he may have kept large amounts of cash, I don't see CR1 allowing it to be "party central" or the favorite hang out of friends and family. I don't think he allowed many people to come in, let alone hang out there. JMO.