OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #32

[rsd1200]

I agree. And this case has always went in many directions because there’s so many victims with all their own things going on personally.

The info that is stumbled on always seems to be out of sorts in some ways.

And I just have to add, I’ve never seen so many people go after one mans estate who lived in a camper and has kids who are the legal heirs.

I'm still not seeing all the names, I must not be hitting the right links. I can see that his 1/8th interest in the land at UHR and LF, combined, was valued at just over $15k. It shows, I think, 26 vehicles on the list of assets, but no appraisal amount on them just yet. He also had his last check on the list, from U.S. Utility.

 

[rsd1200]

I really don't think it was about money. JMO. but I personally think that whoever is responsible for the murders would very likely fit the definition of a psychopath. They may have had a primary reason to take out 8 lives, but they may had other reasons as well. A psychopath can appear to be a normal person, but they lack conscience, empathy and remorse. A psychopath is also wired to win at all costs.

A "normal" person or persons did not kill the Rhodens, IMO. I think it was very likely the person or persons who killed the Rhodens appeared to be quite normal and were perhaps very nice to the Rhodens. I think they were able to hide the hatred they felt toward the family and I don't think the Rhodens had any idea of "what" they were really dealing with and they were all caught completely off-guard.

BBM

I most especially agree with that part.

 

[rsd1200]

Another thing to consider...

From everything I’ve read, R & K remained in states custody for a very long time-according to the media.

Almost one year after the murders, Reader said in this article that the babies were still in foster care.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/100409216

However, if JW thought K was his child, why were him and his family making arrangements to move 4000 miles away?
Their house sold a month before this article. But K was still in foster care.

Perhaps, paternity test results were known by the W’s at that time, but surely paternity test results weren’t known in June 2016 when they began selling their animals.

BBM
This article was printed, June 4, 2016 @ 9:06 pm.

CG, 21, has never held K. But he aches to, he said. He's seen pictures of her.
"Have you seen her photo? She looks just like me,'' he beamed. "Don't you think?"
He, too, has hired a lawyer. And just like W, he is awaiting the material needed to have his DNA tested to establish paternity.
"It kills me every day that I can't see her. That she's with complete strangers. I can't stand the thought of it.
"I just can't wait to hold her," he said. "I know she's mine."

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...s-all-weve-got-left-just-those-kids/85231530/

 

[rsd1200]

just a couple of thoughts.. I don't believe these were professional hits... I believe they knew their killers
also I wonder if JW had S a week beforw and picked her up that night.. no reason both didn't happen
and lastly if my child had her entire family on other side of her family murdered this was I would move heaven and earth to get her as far from that place as I possibly could

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BBM

Same. If I had the money, or could get the money, I'd move my kids away from there. My grandchild was two when their father died. It was terrible. His s/o at the time, waited til after the funeral, and until paternity could be established (their baby was only days old), after which, she moved to the eastern seaboard to be with her own family. She brings the child to see his family, and her 1/2 sib, my grandchild, every other year, if she can, otherwise, they Skype. JW even spoke about her thinking they were going to HMR's when they passed the road. He said he wouldn't take her down UHR because of thinking she was going there, and, even her home was gone.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

O?T I know a man who's son and daughter in law lived in a house they rented. They got into a huge fight and packed up their suitcases and each moved to a different state.

The son called his father and said "Dad can you go over and move everything out of my house. The rent is due and we have to get all the furniture and other stuff out."

The dad said "Sure son, I'll move everything out."

He told me he then hung up the phone and immediately put up a garage sale sign in the front yard. He said "When I get through there won't be anything at all left in the house."

True story.

I shouldn’tlaugh but that’s Hilarious!

 

[MittenScarpetta]

BBM

Same. If I had the money, or could get the money, I'd move my kids away from there. My grandchild was two when their father died. It was terrible. His s/o at the time, waited til after the funeral, and until paternity could be established (their baby was only days old), after which, she moved to the eastern seaboard to be with her own family. She brings the child to see his family, and her 1/2 sib, my grandchild, every other year, if she can, otherwise, they Skype. JW even spoke about her thinking they were going to HMR's when they passed the road. He said he wouldn't take her down UHR because of thinking she was going there, and, even her home was gone.

That’s terrible. I’m glad she’s done the best she can though to keep in contact.

It’s sad enough that the Rhoden’s and HG were all robbed of watching their children and grandchildren grow up. Only adding to that, I think it’s extremely sad that S and K will never grow up as sisters should. Honestly, we don’t even know if they know each other. The last I ever read or “heard” was that none of the Manley’s saw S, even before they moved. I’d imagine the same for S and K seeing each other. K was in protective custody with foster parents at 5 days old and by the time custody was granted, the W’s were close to on their way out of OH. Even if they did get a visit with each-other before the W’s moved, they were both so young at the time, would they even remember each other.

I totally get wanting to protect your child and move away. But I just have never found anything that supports that’s the reasoning they moved. Their move has always appeared to me that they were trying to fly under the radar and get out of dodge, JMO though. Didn’t the W’s have ties to AK prior to the murders w/their pastor or am I mistaken?

BTW, I believe it’s a strong possibility the W’s have relocated again. Not from AK, but not in the same place they were at there.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I really don't think it was about money. JMO. but I personally think that whoever is responsible for the murders would very likely fit the definition of a psychopath. They may have had a primary reason to take out 8 lives, but they may had other reasons as well. A psychopath can appear to be a normal person, but they lack conscience, empathy and remorse. A psychopath is also wired to win at all costs.

A "normal" person or persons did not kill the Rhodens, IMO. I think it was very likely the person or persons who killed the Rhodens appeared to be quite normal and were perhaps very nice to the Rhodens. I think they were able to hide the hatred they felt toward the family and I don't think the Rhodens had any idea of "what" they were really dealing with and they were all caught completely off-guard.

BBM. IMO, that’s exactly what these murders were about-someone or someones determined to win at all costs.

I think the Rhoden’s may have had recent disagreements with their killers possibly in the months prior to the murders but they didn’t anticipate these people being assassins.

I still don’t understand how KR was involved, unless he knew of something other extended family did not know.

I don’t believe the family was stalked in months prior by some unknown hitmen. Simply because of what we know about some properties having cameras. For the murderers to know where the cameras were, they would’ve had to have seen the cameras prior to 4/21-4/22.

For the killers to have seen the families cameras prior, they most likely would’ve been caught on camera. I think KR and CRsr would’ve noticed someone they didn’t know on their cameras.

 

[rsd1200]

I can attest to the married couples. I believe my ex husband & I argued and held up a divorce over a washer. It’s hilarious now, but at the time it was serious business LOL.

Emotions run extremely high when it comes to feeling a threat to money and property, with most people.

I shouldn't tell this on the internet, but, I will. If I could have gotten hold of my ex, when I realized that he'd bilked me out of around $8k+, and here I was working every day, and he was laid up drunk every day, I swear, if he'd been in front of me, I think I might be in prison right now. I thought my blood pressure was going to kill me, at the moment of realization. I couldn't figure out why some strange place out west was calling me, and yelling at me, to repay money, that I'd never spent... This was way back, even before AOL, so it took a bit longer to figure it all out. I didn't kill him, but I did call him up, and after I literally screamed into the phone, that I was taking him to court for fraud, he didn't find it so amusing anymore. I drew up a contract and he signed off, agreeing to repay every dime. It took him yearssss though, but, I was like a rat terrier, I badgered him til he paid the last dime. I can look back and laugh now, but it was NOT funny at the time. :gaah:

 

[rsd1200]

That’s terrible. I’m glad she’s done the best she can though to keep in contact.

It’s sad enough that the Rhoden’s and HG were all robbed of watching their children and grandchildren grow up. Only adding to that, I think it’s extremely sad that S and K will never grow up as sisters should. Honestly, we don’t even know if they know each other. The last I ever read or “heard” was that none of the Manley’s saw S, even before they moved. I’d imagine the same for S and K seeing each other. K was in protective custody with foster parents at 5 days old and by the time custody was granted, the W’s were close to on their way out of OH. Even if they did get a visit with each-other before the W’s moved, they were both so young at the time, would they even remember each other.

I totally get wanting to protect your child and move away. But I just have never found anything that supports that’s the reasoning they moved. Their move has always appeared to me that they were trying to fly under the radar and get out of dodge, JMO though. Didn’t the W’s have ties to AK prior to the murders w/their pastor or am I mistaken?

BTW, I believe it’s a strong possibility the W’s have relocated again. Not from AK, but not in the same place they were at there.

BBM

Please don't think I meant it negatively that she left. She had no blood family here, and, she was devastated. It took several weeks for the paternity b/c just signing a birth cert isn't enough, here, if you are unmarried. His family had him cremated before they knew so they had to go by familial dna, to prove paternity, so the newborn would be eligible for his benefits. My grandchild and her 1/2 sib get to spend a day or so together on a rare occasion but they remember each other, and are very excited when they get to visit in person. It is something though, that has to work on all ends, even if they are 10 miles apart (we have one grandchild who has never met their 1/2 sib, even though they live within a few minutes drive of one another).

I have wondered, if the parents had planned to move, after the boys bought the home. Then, after the murders, the boys just pulled up stakes and went with the parents.

 

[Betty P]

Discussing the possibility of some relative killing 8 Rhoden family members, let's take a look at Ohio law regarding people dying intestate (with no will):

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2105

Here are the pertinent parts of the law as they apply to the deceased Rhoden family members:

When a person dies intestate having title or right to any personal property, or to any real property or inheritance, in this state, the personal property shall be distributed, and the real property or inheritance shall descend and pass in parcenary, except as otherwise provided by law, in the following course:

(A) If there is no surviving spouse, to the children of the intestate or their lineal descendants, per stirpes;

(F) Except as provided in section 2105.062 of the Revised Code, if there is no spouse and no children or their lineal descendants, to the parents of the intestate equally, or to the surviving parent;

IANAL, but it looks like things go this way, WRT personal or real property or inheritance, after payment of taxes and debts:

CR1 - Personal and real property would pass to his surviving grandchildren

DR - Property would pass to her surviving grandchildren

FR - Property would pass to his surviving children

HG - Property would pass to her surviving children

HR - Property would pass to her surviving children

CR2 - Property would pass to his surviving grandparents

KR - Property would pass to his daughter

GR - If he has surviving children, property would pass to them. If not, it would pass to his surviving parents

Also, keep in mind that any debts owed by the deceased must be paid from their estate. In the case of CR1, if he had an outstanding balance on the bank loan acquired to purchase DR's home, the bank can ask that it be repaid from his estate. They also may choose to repossess the remaining property at DR's address. Other debts to be paid include taxes, credit card debt, any other bank loans, etc.

It's possible that other distant relatives, etc. of KR are filing claims on his estate because they claim he owed them money or feel they had some other legal claim. They would have to prove it in court and, outside of debts or partnerships, there aren't many other options.

If someone other than the victims took out AD&D insurance policies on them, it will be difficult to collect due to the suspicious nature of their deaths. The insurance company who sold the policy will likely withhold payment until the killers have been identified by LE. Any policyholder will have a difficult time collecting on those policies and will likely have to spend money on attorney fees.

Overall, I don't see any motive for the heirs of the Rhoden family to kill them. By the time taxes, debts and legal fees are paid, there probably isn't much cash left. Most of the real property is jointly owned with CR1 & KR's siblings. Any legal guardian of the grandchildren would have to get them to agree to sell the real estate or purchase their share in order to cash out. Since the heirs are all minor children, I assume a parent or legal guardian would have to get consent from the court to sell the inherited real estate.

LE and the courts have obviously been watching the guardianship and custody process for the minor heirs very closely and will continue to do so.

 

[molly1255]

BBM. IMO, that’s exactly what these murders were about-someone or someones determined to win at all costs.

I think the Rhoden’s may have had recent disagreements with their killers possibly in the months prior to the murders but they didn’t anticipate these people being assassins.

I still don’t understand how KR was involved, unless he knew of something other extended family did not know.

I don’t believe the family was stalked in months prior by some unknown hitmen. Simply because of what we know about some properties having cameras. For the murderers to know where the cameras were, they would’ve had to have seen the cameras prior to 4/21-4/22.

For the killers to have seen the families cameras prior, they most likely would’ve been caught on camera. I think KR and CRsr would’ve noticed someone they didn’t know on their cameras.

Agree. I also don't understand how KR was involved, except that perhaps he knew something the rest of the extended family did not know and perhaps it is something that occurred earlier on the night of the murders or that he was killed in an attempt to throw LE off in the investigation.

I also think there were recent disagreements between the R's and their killers. I think it is also possible the R's really underestimated just "who" they were dealing with. I think of it this way. If I had a daughter who had a child with a young man and my daughter was a good mother, and the child was raised with loving relatives and had everything they needed, I'd be very peeved if the young man was trying to get my daughter to sign over her parental rights. If the young man and/or his family was making an argument about poor living conditions, if I had the money, I'd get a nicer place. End of argument. But in this case, maybe it wasn't the end of the argument?

In a newspaper interview, JW puts himself at DR's home on the night of the murders, when he said he went to pick up S. Then his mother later changes the story and said JW had S the week prior, which makes sense, because HR had given birth that week. I suspect LE knows exactly when JW got S and I suspect it was the week prior. So why was JW at DR's home, where HR was with her new baby? DR would have been at work when he stopped by, but she left within a half hour of his stated visit and she was upset when she left work, according to her coworkers.

Unless something else really compelling is brought forth, I'm going to go with LE on this one. I think LE has plenty of circumstantial evidence, but I also think they lack physical evidence and until they can get either a witness or a confession, they don't feel they have a strong enough case to prosecute. JMO.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

BBM

Please don't think I meant it negatively that she left. She had no blood family here, and, she was devastated. It took several weeks for the paternity b/c just signing a birth cert isn't enough, here, if you are unmarried. His family had him cremated before they knew so they had to go by familial dna, to prove paternity, so the newborn would be eligible for his benefits. My grandchild and her 1/2 sib get to spend a day or so together on a rare occasion but they remember each other, and are very excited when they get to visit in person. It is something though, that has to work on all ends, even if they are 10 miles apart (we have one grandchild who has never met their 1/2 sib, even though they live within a few minutes drive of one another).

I have wondered, if the parents had planned to move, after the boys bought the home. Then, after the murders, the boys just pulled up stakes and went with the parents.

I didn’t take it negatively in any way just sad circumstances.

I’ve wondered the same about the parents, but it seemed Defiance farms was quite the passion of AW’s even after the murders.

Would it be normal to build a new barn (right before moving to AK) and then start selling off all animals, pregnant pigs included? (Honest question and not meant with snark, I know zip zero zilch about farming and raising farm animals)

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Agree. I also don't understand how KR was involved, except that perhaps he knew something the rest of the extended family did not know and perhaps it is something that occurred earlier on the night of the murders or that he was killed in an attempt to throw LE off in the investigation.

I also think there were recent disagreements between the R's and their killers. I think it is also possible the R's really underestimated just "who" they were dealing with. I think of it this way. If I had a daughter who had a child with a young man and my daughter was a good mother, and the child was raised with loving relatives and had everything they needed, I'd be very peeved if the young man was trying to get my daughter to sign over her parental rights. If the young man and/or his family was making an argument about poor living conditions, if I had the money, I'd get a nicer place. End of argument. But in this case, maybe it wasn't the end of the argument?

In a newspaper interview, JW puts himself at DR's home on the night of the murders, when he said he went to pick up S. Then his mother later changes the story and said JW had S the week prior, which makes sense, because HR had given birth that week. I suspect LE knows exactly when JW got S and I suspect it was the week prior. So why was JW at DR's home, where HR was with her new baby? DR would have been at work when he stopped by, but she left within a half hour of his stated visit and she was upset when she left work, according to her coworkers.

Unless something else really compelling is brought forth, I'm going to go with LE on this one. I think LE has plenty of circumstantial evidence, but I also think they lack physical evidence and until they can get either a witness or a confession, they don't feel they have a strong enough case to prosecute. JMO.

Ya know, I watched evil geniuses today on. Netflix (if anyone hasn’t seen it yet, it’s a must see) and in the 3rd episode one of the detectives said something that stuck with me.

He said there’s no coincidences in a homicide investigation and when the evidence keeps coming back around to the same suspect(s) it can’t be ignored.

I’m with LE on this one as well. I don’t believe they would publicly call a family of 4 out multiple times in the last almost year on national news, unless they had strong reason to. Hopefully, it’s just a matter of time.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I shouldn’tlaugh but that’s Hilarious!

I know. The guy called to ask if he had to pay taxes on money from a garage sale. He is retired and has a lot of health problems. He said he couldn't believe they just packed up, filed for a divorce and left him with the mess to deal with knowing there was no way he could lift any of their furniture and him with only his retirement check and no money to hire anyone to move it for him.

I hung up the phone and laughed for a good 15 minutes thinking about that empty house and how he got it emptied.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Ya know, I watched evil geniuses today on. Netflix (if anyone hasn’t seen it yet, it’s a must see) and in the 3rd episode one of the detectives said something that stuck with me.

He said there’s no coincidences in a homicide investigation and when the evidence keeps coming back around to the same suspect(s) it can’t be ignored.

I’m with LE on this one as well. I don’t believe they would publicly call a family of 4 out multiple times in the last almost year on national news, unless they had strong reason to. Hopefully, it’s just a matter of time.

BBM
And post up their pictures from here to Alaska making sure everyone knows who they are and what they look like. Even making them look like mugshots.

If LE did not believe they are the killers, that would be an terribly vindictive move on the part of LE.

No, I think LE knows who did it and why, they just don't have the evidence to back up what they know yet. If those four are the only ones involved LE may never get enough evidence as I cannot see them turning on each other.

After all Junk said he could tell the reporter some things that would clear it all up for him in a few seconds.

There may be hope though. JW is bringing another girl into the family. Maybe he will talk to her and her conscience will dictate she tells what she knows to LE.

JMO

 

[rsd1200]

Discussing the possibility of some relative killing 8 Rhoden family members, let's take a look at Ohio law regarding people dying intestate (with no will):

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2105

Here are the pertinent parts of the law as they apply to the deceased Rhoden family members:





IANAL, but it looks like things go this way, WRT personal or real property or inheritance, after payment of taxes and debts:

CR1 - Personal and real property would pass to his surviving grandchildren

DR - Property would pass to her surviving grandchildren

FR - Property would pass to his surviving children

HG - Property would pass to her surviving children

HR - Property would pass to her surviving children

CR2 - Property would pass to his surviving grandparents

KR - Property would pass to his daughter

GR - If he has surviving children, property would pass to them. If not, it would pass to his surviving parents

Also, keep in mind that any debts owed by the deceased must be paid from their estate. In the case of CR1, if he had an outstanding balance on the bank loan acquired to purchase DR's home, the bank can ask that it be repaid from his estate. They also may choose to repossess the remaining property at DR's address. Other debts to be paid include taxes, credit card debt, any other bank loans, etc.

It's possible that other distant relatives, etc. of KR are filing claims on his estate because they claim he owed them money or feel they had some other legal claim. They would have to prove it in court and, outside of debts or partnerships, there aren't many other options.

If someone other than the victims took out AD&D insurance policies on them, it will be difficult to collect due to the suspicious nature of their deaths. The insurance company who sold the policy will likely withhold payment until the killers have been identified by LE. Any policyholder will have a difficult time collecting on those policies and will likely have to spend money on attorney fees.

Overall, I don't see any motive for the heirs of the Rhoden family to kill them. By the time taxes, debts and legal fees are paid, there probably isn't much cash left. Most of the real property is jointly owned with CR1 & KR's siblings. Any legal guardian of the grandchildren would have to get them to agree to sell the real estate or purchase their share in order to cash out. Since the heirs are all minor children, I assume a parent or legal guardian would have to get consent from the court to sell the inherited real estate.

LE and the courts have obviously been watching the guardianship and custody process for the minor heirs very closely and will continue to do so.

I don't think that GR had any children, and, I believe any property that he might have, would likely be in Kentucky. I do believe that GR didn't own much. I would like to know more about him, but no one ever talks about him. His former sil said, quoting loosely, that GR was "a harmless person whose killer(s) were cowards, that hurting G was akin to kicking a dog". In other words, I took it that he was easy going, friendly, probably had an addiction problem, but wouldn't hurt anyone. They'd either waited for GR to be at CR1's place, so they could get him too, or he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. The longer this has gone on, I think that there were no wrong place/wrong time victims. They all had to go.

KR does have two other children besides KR2 (so they'd split a 1/8th share three ways unless he had a will stating otherwise). I've always seen him as a sort of easy going type fella. Don't know much about him but seemed he liked to stay off to himself.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

BBM
And post up their pictures from here to Alaska making sure everyone knows who they are and what they look like. Even making them look like mugshots.

If LE did not believe they are the killers, that would be an terribly vindictive move on the part of LE.

No, I think LE knows who did it and why, they just don't have the evidence to back up what they know yet. If those four are the only ones involved LE may never get enough evidence as I cannot see them turning on each other.

After all Junk said he could tell the reporter some things that would clear it all up for him in a few seconds.

There may be hope though. JW is bringing another girl into the family. Maybe he will talk to her and her conscience will dictate she tells what she knows to LE.

JMO

I’m very curious the red truck of JM’s comes into play somehow as well. I almost feel like someone pulled a fast one on him and made sure he ended up with that truck.

I would guess there is probably a lot of circumstantial evidence but LE is hesitant to bring charges because he wants convictions.

Perhaps they’ll just keep building circumstantial evidence until there’s so much it can’t be ignored. After all, with 8 people, the evidence collection alone has had to be nothing short of exhausting.

 

[rsd1200]

I didn’t take it negatively in any way just sad circumstances.

I’ve wondered the same about the parents, but it seemed Defiance farms was quite the passion of AW’s even after the murders.

Would it be normal to build a new barn (right before moving to AK) and then start selling off all animals, pregnant pigs included? (Honest question and not meant with snark, I know zip zero zilch about farming and raising farm animals)

I don't believe that is a stock barn. I believe it is a barn built to pull equipment into, including those diesel truck(s), if needed, to do the upkeep, and keep them out of the elements (especially nice to have if working on them and it is windy, or rainy). GW4 was into otr and JW was too, I believe, at one time, but he is also a diesel mechanic. They had a transfer truck at one time.

Something happened to change their minds between April 19, 2015 and Dec 1, 2015. On 4/19/2015, they were keeping all of the "Hair Sheep" offspring, that were ewes, in order to increase their herd size. They said they'd have ewes for sale next year. As of Dec 1, 2015, they were offering their whole herd of "Hair Sheep" for sale. All 67 rams, ewes, and lambs, with some ewes already bred back. That was the first big sale that I saw on the site. I screenshotted the posts, jic, but as of 10 minutes ago, they were still there.

There is a whole bunch of coincidences with this case, and with the month of April, too.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I don't believe that is a stock barn. I believe it is a barn built to pull equipment into, including those diesel truck(s), if needed, to do the upkeep, and keep them out of the elements (especially nice to have if working on them and it is windy, or rainy). GW4 was into otr and JW was too, I believe, at one time, but he is also a diesel mechanic. They had a transfer truck at one time.

Something happened to change their minds between April 19, 2015 and Dec 1, 2015. On 4/19/2015, they were keeping all of the "Hair Sheep" offspring, that were ewes, in order to increase their herd size. They said they'd have ewes for sale next year. As of Dec 1, 2015, they were offering their whole herd of "Hair Sheep" for sale. All 67 rams, ewes, and lambs, with some ewes already bred back. That was the first big sale that I saw on the site. I screenshotted the posts, jic, but as of 10 minutes ago, they were still there.

There is a whole bunch of coincidences with this case, and with the month of April, too.

I’m not trying to be difficult, I swear lol, but on 6/3/2016, the post said “well almost done. Can’t wait to be able to move our animals into the new barn” with a picture of the inside, almost complete, with stables.

 

[rsd1200]

I’m not trying to be difficult, I swear lol, but on 6/3/2016, the post said “well almost done. Can’t wait to be able to move our animals into the new barn” with a picture of the inside, almost complete, with stables.

That barn! I think it is a different barn than the one across the road. The one across the road may be the same, though, but have stalls, but it looks like the barns around here that has an open side so folks can drive their tractors into them, store hay rolls on the open side, put tools and other equipment in them, etc...

That is an odd post. They go from keeping a herd, to selling a herd, to the new barn. I honestly, whether they killed anyone or not, do not think that they were cut out to be farmers. They seem to be the folks that show up on house hunters. I raise hair sheep and paint rocks, and earn $100k a year, and my husband leads hunting parties on our farm so you can kill a Dahl Ram of your very own, he earns $80k a year. We have a budget of $3.2 million.