OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #32

[Betty P]

I stumbled upon that to, and that they took a bulldozer or some kind of heavy equipment.

Most likely they would be looking for the weapons used in the crime.

 

[rsd1200]

If so, he's probably revealed that information to the GJ. It's a safe bet that all the Manleys have testified in the GJ convened after JM's charges were dropped (without attorneys present and required to answer all questions). No charges have been filed against them and laser focus is still on the W family, so it's probably safe to assume LM was not involved in killing his daughter and grandkids.

Somehow I think that even if the W's or whomever confessed, some folks would still blame the Manleys. It's kind of sad how years of unfounded rumors on the internet can sway people's opinions and harm the reputations of innocent, grieving people. Anyone ever wonder if the real killers are the ones who post false information on unmoderated online forums as a way to distract people?

I don't think, now, nor have I ever thought, that that man, LM, had anything at all to do with murdering his family. I have no clue why you'd think that, or that anyone else on here has thought that, Betty. There's little to discuss and wondering what the messages said, and going back over LM's interviews, is not naming him as a suspect, or a murderer. Not once has anyone implied that. It's just all we have. He's the one who has spoken publicly, and, he's mentioned more than custody as being a possible motive.

I realize that you are 100% sure that this was the Ws, and I agree that it looks bad for them, but I'm not going to call them murderers, of eight people, with what I have in front of me. That's a big. If they are not, and S stumbles across this board one day, I'm not having that on me. Also,at the present time, for some reason, "DeWine steadfastly declined to name father, George “Billy;” mom, Angela; and adult sons, Jake and George, as suspects". (see link). LE has also searched other properties, and one in particular, that I'm interested in, that all of the family had in common, but I can't call that property owner out as a murderer or poi either, but they look pretty sketchy to me.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...investigation-stands-after-2-years/531686002/

Edit: What unounded rumours on the internet, do you speak of? I don't visit the T place, so please share.

 

[Betty P]

I’m familiar with the accents and actually dated someone just outside Appalachia, after knowing him and his family close to 20 years. Although his family wasn’t technically in Appalachia, the culture was still prevalent in their area. This was about a little over an hour north of pike county. They actually always pointed out my accent because I guess I spoke differently. Anyways, outside of LM’s accent, I hear a slur. Especially when he says the word texts. It just makes me think of someone who’s had a stroke and can’t control saliva secretions in their mouth 100%, some type of brain injury or even alcoholism. Of course, maybe that’s just how he speaks-with a slight slur.

I've always thought he has a (somewhat minor) speech impediment.

 

[amauet1]

As much as I feel for LM, he does seem to have a selective memory. Not uncommon. Especially since they are looking at his family. He has not only tossed out the custody theory. He's tossed out at least three other possibilities and have said that LE doesn't listen to him, and can't catch a cold (that last one made me chuckle a bit). I think that the deal with JM has caused him to dial it back, over the past year. He went from being very vocal, to nearly mute.

I would bet a dime to a donut that he knows where the truck came from and what that text consisted of, or at least the gist of it, anyway.

And to me, that puts JM in it somehow. I'm sorry Betty P, but I can't take the Manleys out of this investigation. My gut feelings are they are involved with something in the murders. Maybe providing info before murders or knowing something after. JM put himself in the mix, by destroying that gps unit.

 

[rsd1200]

Do you have a link for that? Interesting, but not at all surprising. I would have hoped they checked out some of the people who live there.

It was in something I read, kinda like the blip about one police report at the scene of the trailer with two deceased, it and it stuck. I don't at hand, but there's a lot we've discussed w/o links and we know that there's been a lot of search warrants. People seem to forget that the one that made the news, was not the only one.

 

[Betty P]

I don't think, now, nor have I ever thought, that that man, LM, had anything at all to do with murdering his family. I have no clue why you'd think that, or that anyone else on here has thought that, Betty. There's little to discuss and wondering what the messages said, and going back over LM's interviews, is not naming him as a suspect, or a murderer. Not once has anyone implied that. It's just all we have. He's the one who has spoken publicly, and, he's mentioned more than custody as being a possible motive.

I realize that you are 100% sure that this was the Ws, and I agree that it looks bad for them, but I'm not going to call them murderers, of eight people, with what I have in front of me. That's a big. If they are not, and S stumbles across this board one day, I'm not having that on me. Also,at the present time, for some reason, "DeWine steadfastly declined to name father, George “Billy;” mom, Angela; and adult sons, Jake and George, as suspects". (see link). LE has also searched other properties, and one in particular, that I'm interested in, that all of the family had in common, but I can't call that property owner out as a murderer or poi either, but they look pretty sketchy to me.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...investigation-stands-after-2-years/531686002/

I'm not entirely sure the W's were the murderers, but I do think they had a role in the deaths and are connected in some way to the killers. I believe they know far more about the case than the Manleys do. It's still pretty shocking they weren't looked at more closely in the aftermath of the murders and that they were allowed to move out of state with no follow up by LE, other than the searches of the family estates after they left.

The surviving Rhoden/Manley/Gilley family members had no power to influence the investigation after the murders. They had no money to hire lawyers and were sitting ducks for LE. W's, JMO, had more money, power and influence in the community and possibly elsewhere to keep the focus away from their family until they could clean up and move out. If they had MJ grow ops on any of their extensive land holdings, they were not raided later, as were others in the area. Keep in mind, their residences and real estate holdings were in Adams and Scioto Counties, where things may have worked differently for them.

 

[rsd1200]

And to me, that puts JM in it somehow. I'm sorry Betty P, but I can't take the Manleys out of this investigation. My gut feelings are they are involved with something in the murders. Maybe providing info before murders or knowing something after. JM put himself in the mix, by destroying that gps unit.

I don't think, that LM, had a thing to do with this, but I do think that he is afraid for his son, at this point. With what we have in front of us, it looks kinda bad for JM and AM, if the Ws did do this.

 

[Betty P]

I don't think, that LM, had a thing to do with this, but I do think that he is afraid for his son, at this point. With what we have in front of us, it looks kinda bad for JM and AM, if the Ws did do this.

I still find it interesting that the attorney JM hired after his arrest was so focused on discovery and looking at the evidence that LE had to justify their focus on JM. It seemed to go beyond the attorney's belief that evidence from discovery would exonerate JM, but that the warrant, affidavits, etc. would reveal a lot more about the real killers and accomplices. More specifically, JMO, he wanted to see what the files showed about their case against JW.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2017/05/22/rhoden-evidence-tampering-court-today/102003386/

Boulger said if the grand jury indicts his client, he then will start the discovery process -- which would likely force the state to unseal the warrant and the affidavit related to the tracking device.

"The affidavit is where the juice is,'' Boulger said. "They have done all of this behind closed doors.'"

An affidavit is a statement that authorities must provide to a court stating their probable cause, which usually includes facts they have developed, in order to get a warrant.

Why didn't the prosecutor trump up some charge against JW and bring him in for questioning before he left town? The same prosecutor who says the W family is the main focus of the investigation? Why did they put a tracker on JW's truck?

 

[amauet1]

I don't think, now, nor have I ever thought, that that man, LM, had anything at all to do with murdering his family. I have no clue why you'd think that, or that anyone else on here has thought that, Betty. There's little to discuss and wondering what the messages said, and going back over LM's interviews, is not naming him as a suspect, or a murderer. Not once has anyone implied that. It's just all we have. He's the one who has spoken publicly, and, he's mentioned more than custody as being a possible motive.

I realize that you are 100% sure that this was the Ws, and I agree that it looks bad for them, but I'm not going to call them murderers, of eight people, with what I have in front of me. That's a big. If they are not, and S stumbles across this board one day, I'm not having that on me. Also,at the present time, for some reason, "DeWine steadfastly declined to name father, George “Billy;” mom, Angela; and adult sons, Jake and George, as suspects". (see link). LE has also searched other properties, and one in particular, that I'm interested in, that all of the family had in common, but I can't call that property owner out as a murderer or poi either, but they look pretty sketchy to me.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...investigation-stands-after-2-years/531686002/

Edit: What unounded rumours on the internet, do you speak of? I don't visit the T place, so please share.

Well Rsd and Betty, I am one who does visit other sites, all articles I can find, any place that I can think of that has any info. Then down the rabbit holes I go. And sometimes it pays off for me and I gleam a little info but most times it leads me to nothing. I try and back everything I post, but when I can't, I say I've "heard" or "read" or something to that affect. Sometimes others on here have facts to back up things I see and it helps me to rule out false info. Both of you have done this for me. I'm not accusing anyone of murder and haven't. Like Rsd said, you have to follow what little we are given, unfortunately. God I wish we had spell check on here! LOL!

 

[Betty P]

I don't think, that LM, had a thing to do with this, but I do think that he is afraid for his son, at this point. With what we have in front of us, it looks kinda bad for JM and AM, if the Ws did do this.

Yes, JMO, it looks like someone set them up to take the blame for the murders.

 

[rsd1200]

I'm not entirely sure the W's were the murderers, but I do think they had a role in the deaths and are connected in some way to the killers. I believe they know far more about the case than the Manleys do. It's still pretty shocking they weren't looked at more closely in the aftermath of the murders and that they were allowed to move out of state with no follow up by LE, other than the searches of the family estates after they left.

The surviving Rhoden/Manley/Gilley family members had no power to influence the investigation after the murders. They had no money to hire lawyers and were sitting ducks for LE. W's, JMO, had more money, power and influence in the community and possibly elsewhere to keep the focus away from their family until they could clean up and move out. If they had MJ grow ops on any of their extensive land holdings, they were not raided later, as were others in the area. Keep in mind, their residences and real estate holdings were in Adams and Scioto Counties, where things may have worked differently for them.

I agree. Especially with them being in a differing county. I don't think that Ws had all that much money though, unlike the elder Ws. I do think that their name carried weight though. I've seen it here, parents have money, and whatever the adult children do, in front of God and everybody, is ignored, or it's a slap on the wrist.

I do believe, though, that they were looked at early on, because, I do believe they turned everything over to LE that their lawyer said they did, and that they were questioned.

Unfortunately, LE says there was a text between JM and JW that night. JM isn't talking, and JW says it never happened. So, that's weird.

The other folks on my radar, also have money, and standing, in the county. The Rs and Ms, have generational standing, but no monetary standing.

And, I just cannot take plain old revenge over something, off the plate, either.

 

[rsd1200]

I still find it interesting that the attorney JM hired after his arrest was so focused on discovery and looking at the evidence that LE had to justify their focus on JM. It seemed to go beyond the attorney's belief that evidence from discovery would exonerate JM, but that the warrant, affidavits, etc. would reveal a lot more about the real killers and accomplices. More specifically, JMO, he wanted to see what the files showed about their case against JW.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2017/05/22/rhoden-evidence-tampering-court-today/102003386/



Why didn't the prosecutor trump up some charge against JW and bring him in for questioning before he left town? The same prosecutor who says the W family is the main focus of the investigation? Why did they put a tracker on JW's truck?

BBM
Million dollar question. The reason they stated, to me, was blatant overreach. You're tracking the truck, but not the driver, who is not a poi? I do not get that. Was the truck supposed to do something? Take control and drive itself to evidence? It makes no sense to me.

 

[amauet1]

I'm not entirely sure the W's were the murderers, but I do think they had a role in the deaths and are connected in some way to the killers. I believe they know far more about the case than the Manleys do. It's still pretty shocking they weren't looked at more closely in the aftermath of the murders and that they were allowed to move out of state with no follow up by LE, other than the searches of the family estates after they left.

The surviving Rhoden/Manley/Gilley family members had no power to influence the investigation after the murders. They had no money to hire lawyers and were sitting ducks for LE. W's, JMO, had more money, power and influence in the community and possibly elsewhere to keep the focus away from their family until they could clean up and move out. If they had MJ grow ops on any of their extensive land holdings, they were not raided later, as were others in the area. Keep in mind, their residences and real estate holdings were in Adams and Scioto Counties, where things may have worked differently for them.

The surviving family members do have some power to influence the investigation, by telling the truth in the first place. If they lie in this case their protecting themselves. Example, LM saying he wasn't that close to CRsr. He picked up cars for him, ran errands for him, worked for him. IMO between him and BJM and other family members and the way that the Rhoden's seemed to live their lives out loud, a lot of people knew what was going on in everybody's lives that lived there. But that's not uncommon in a small town. The personal problems are usually kept withing the families, but when your entire family has been killed, you would think the families would tell them everything they know down to what perfume DR wore. I'm not just speaking of the Manley's in this mess. " Rumor" and some published info, has said that numerous people including the families have been questioned, some more than once. Some have taken ploly's and failed and some refuse to even take one. The Manley's were there when the bodies were found, LM has spoken many times about what he knows and others, his family and pastor have even been involved with what little info we have. As I said before, JM removing a gps tracking device from his truck has put this family out there for whomever has questions. Lesson learned for the Manley's now, but it's all out there to question.

 

[amauet1]

I still find it interesting that the attorney JM hired after his arrest was so focused on discovery and looking at the evidence that LE had to justify their focus on JM. It seemed to go beyond the attorney's belief that evidence from discovery would exonerate JM, but that the warrant, affidavits, etc. would reveal a lot more about the real killers and accomplices. More specifically, JMO, he wanted to see what the files showed about their case against JW.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2017/05/22/rhoden-evidence-tampering-court-today/102003386/



Why didn't the prosecutor trump up some charge against JW and bring him in for questioning before he left town? The same prosecutor who says the W family is the main focus of the investigation? Why did they put a tracker on JW's truck?

Because "everyone" is watching this case more closely than others in the past and the W family is more powerful than the Manleys. That's why officials have to be careful of what they do. I agree with what you say about the W's, there's a reason why their focused on them. But for all we know , LE/BCI might be wanting some other person to think their safe from being caught by drawing atteniton to the W's.

 

[Betty P]

The surviving family members do have some power to influence the investigation, by telling the truth in the first place. If they lie in this case their protecting themselves. Example, LM saying he wasn't that close to CRsr. He picked up cars for him, ran errands for him, worked for him. IMO between him and BJM and other family members and the way that the Rhoden's seemed to live their lives out loud, a lot of people knew what was going on in everybody's lives that lived there. But that's not uncommon in a small town. The personal problems are usually kept withing the families, but when your entire family has been killed, you would think the families would tell them everything they know down to what perfume DR wore. I'm not just speaking of the Manley's in this mess. " Rumor" and some published info, has said that numerous people including the families have been questioned, some more than once. Some have taken ploly's and failed and some refuse to even take one. The Manley's were there when the bodies were found, LM has spoken many times about what he knows and others, his family and pastor have even been involved with what little info we have. As I said before, JM removing a gps tracking device from his truck has put this family out there for whomever has questions. Lesson learned for the Manley's now, but it's all out there to question.

But they've all been before the GJ now, without their lawyers. Penalty for lying in a GJ is pretty severe and they're aware of that. They're also not allowed to plead the 5th Amendment in a GJ proceeding, they have to answer all questions. There's no limit on the kinds of questions asked in a GJ. Information can be brought up that other GJ witnesses have revealed. I don't see the M family members lying in the GJ. If they had some information to incriminate themselves in the murders, charges would have been filed.

Let's also not forget the Manleys have all submitted DNA samples to LE - JM when arrested and LM and BJM through their own admission in the news media. If LE is taking DNA, it means they have incriminating evidence from the killers. If no one who has submitted DNA through voluntary submission or as a result of being charged with a felony offense has been fingered as one of the killers, that only leaves people who haven't submitted DNA. Seems likely none of the W's have submitted any voluntarily or otherwise.

I have my own theory about why DNA evidence gathering has been selective, but will not say for now.

 

[Betty P]

BBM
Million dollar question. The reason they stated, to me, was blatant overreach. You're tracking the truck, but not the driver, who is not a poi? I do not get that. Was the truck supposed to do something? Take control and drive itself to evidence? It makes no sense to me.

JMO, they were tracking JW's truck to see where he was going, what he was doing and with whom he was meeting. His associates and activities were the focus of LE's investigation. Perhaps they thought that information would lead them to some evidence or accomplices. If these were professional killers, LE may have followed JW to find the connection to the person who hired them or the killers themselves. Maybe they thought with the upcoming move to AK, he would visit the scene where he dumped the guns or other evidence to make sure it was still hidden.

ETA: Also adding that the extended W family would be very motivated to help JW's family unit if they were facing arrest for murder. Families do that to protect each other and themselves. If anything shady was going on at any of the elder W's properties, they could stand to lose a great deal. Same with a possible civil suit if JW's family was convicted of the murders or of being accessories to the murders. W's stick together just like all the other families in the area.

 

[amauet1]

BBM
Million dollar question. The reason they stated, to me, was blatant overreach. You're tracking the truck, but not the driver, who is not a poi? I do not get that. Was the truck supposed to do something? Take control and drive itself to evidence? It makes no sense to me.

I think knowing the anger and disrespect the Manley's have for LE, they used that againest JM, knowing it would pizz him off to find the tracker on his truck. It gave LE the excuse to arrest him. Again knowing the Manley's had no money to get him out of jail. IMO it was a ploy to get him to talk and a treat to keep him in jail until he would. When that didn't work (or maybe it did for LE), they could now legally put him before a grand jury to question him. Two things happened in favor of LE, they got to question him in private, and anger the Manley family even more. I don't think there is any love lost between local LE and the Manley's and hasn't been way before this investigation. I wonder why?

 

[Betty P]

I think knowing the anger and disrespect the Manley's have for LE, they used that againest JM, knowing it would pizz him off to find the tracker on his truck. It gave LE the excuse to arrest him. Again knowing the Manley's had no money to get him out of jail. IMO it was a ploy to get him to talk and a treat to keep him in jail until he would. When that didn't work (or maybe it did for LE), they could now legally put him before a grand jury to question him. Two things happened in favor of LE, they got to question him in private, and anger the Manley family even more. I don't think there is any love lost between local LE and the Manley's and hasn't been way before this investigation. I wonder why?

They did all that and came up with nothing to cause them to arrest JM or anyone in his family for the murders. I'm not sure why some folks think the fact that M's found the bodies of their dead relatives makes them the killers. They've been run through the wringer with nothing to show for it.

 

[amauet1]

But they've all been before the GJ now, without their lawyers. Penalty for lying in a GJ is pretty severe and they're aware of that. They're also not allowed to plead the 5th Amendment in a GJ proceeding, they have to answer all questions. There's no limit on the kinds of questions asked in a GJ. Information can be brought up that other GJ witnesses have revealed. I don't see the M family members lying in the GJ. If they had some information to incriminate themselves in the murders, charges would have been filed.

Let's also not forget the Manleys have all submitted DNA samples to LE - JM when arrested and LM and BJM through their own admission in the news media. If LE is taking DNA, it means they have incriminating evidence from the killers. If no one who has submitted DNA through voluntary submission or as a result of being charged with a felony offense has been fingered as one of the killers, that only leaves people who haven't submitted DNA. Seems likely none of the W's have submitted any voluntarily or otherwise.

I have my own theory about why DNA evidence gathering has been selective, but will not say for now.

I agree with you on the treatment of the Manleys, yes they are being hounded in this case. But why? Are local LE's being unjust with them, because of past encounter's with them, or because they lied about something the day of the murders, I mean when they wake you up at 3am there eager for something they need answers to. But the thing is BCI is involved in the case and as far as I know have nothing personal againest the Manley's. That's what keeps me from ruling them out of these investigation all together. Maybe LE/BCI have finally gotten what they needed from the Manley's and are leaving them alone now. We don't know.

 

[Betty P]

I agree with you on the treatment of the Manleys, yes they are being hounded in this case. But why? Are local LE's being unjust with them, because of past encounter's with them, or because they lied about something the day of the murders, I mean when they wake you up at 3am there eager for something they need answers to. But the thing is BCI is involved in the case and as far as I know have nothing personal againest the Manley's. That's what keeps me from ruling them out of these investigation all together. Maybe LE/BCI have finally gotten what they needed from the Manley's and are leaving them alone now. We don't know.

LE has been taking DNA evidence from people connected to the victims, including the Manleys. That implies they have DNA evidence from the killers, possibly from a victim who fought back and had the killers DNA on their clothing, bodies or under their fingernails. If any of the Manleys were the kilers, they would have been arrested by now. They also didn't have the means or motive to hire professional killers to murder their family members. Whomever hired them probably paid quite a lot for that service, probably in the 6 figures.

In addition, following all the raids on the Manley homes and cars, LE has never found evidence to charge them for possession of drugs or MJ. These people have very little in the way of a criminal record and nothing in the way of past drug use, stolen cars, etc. to connect them to people who would kill family or be associated with anyone in the world of organized crime.