OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #32

[molly1255]

What I find strange is the Dennell Rhoden who is one of the ones listed. She was KR's uncles daughter, his cousin? So why is she going after KR's estate?

That's very strange! Did he have a big estate? I don't know where to look to find the information on KR's estate. Is the web address something that can be provided here?

Is it possible the secret of what really happened lies with KR?

 

[Betty P]

That's very strange! Did he have a big estate? I don't know where to look to find the information on KR's estate. Is the web address something that can be provided here?

Is it possible the secret of what really happened lies with KR?

To view information about his estate, go to the Pike County Probate Court web site. Click on the"Record Search" tab. Do a search using the last name Rhoden and it will show all the relevant parties.

https://www.pikecountypjcourt.com/recordSearch.php?k=searchForm6603

KR didn't have much besides several hundred dollars in the bank and his portion of ownership of the family property inherited from Clarence. Also a used car. None of the family members had sufficient assets to motivate someone to take a huge risk in killing all 8 family members. As inexperienced killers, this would have been an extremely difficult murder spree to commit and cover up. If murder were that easy and family were so motivated over such small estates, we would see far more mass familial murders.

KR seemed to have been chosen, along with CR1 because of some business issues related to the MJ grow ops. Those were the only big assets they owned. Because the killers left cash strewn on his body, it seemed there was a message sent about a business deal gone wrong, issues with business competition or concern about "snitching" to LE.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

What I find strange is the Dennell Rhoden who is one of the ones listed. She was KR's uncles daughter, his cousin? So why is she going after KR's estate?

What would her relation be to GR then? A cousin as well?

 

[molly1255]

To view information about his estate, go to the Pike County Probate Court web site. Click on the"Record Search" tab. Do a search using the last name Rhoden and it will show all the relevant parties.

https://www.pikecountypjcourt.com/recordSearch.php?k=searchForm6603

KR didn't have much besides several hundred dollars in the bank and his portion of ownership of the family property inherited from Clarence. Also a used car. None of the family members had sufficient assets to motivate someone to take a huge risk in killing all 8 family members. As inexperienced killers, this would have been an extremely difficult murder spree to commit and cover up. If murder were that easy and family were so motivated over such small estates, we would see far more mass familial murders.

KR seemed to have been chosen, along with CR1 because of some business issues related to the MJ grow ops. Those were the only big assets they owned. Because the killers left cash strewn on his body, it seemed there was a message sent about a business deal gone wrong, issues with business competition or concern about "snitching" to LE.

Thanks, Betty! I remember from the discussions here over the last two years that it didn't appear there was very much in assets. And the money that was said to be thrown over KR's body, too. I can't recall if LE confirmed that, but I do recall DS stating this.

 

[molly1255]

What would her relation be to GR then? A cousin as well?

I read earlier on this forum that she is KR's uncle's daughter. If this is correct, then her father and KR were brothers and they were sons of Clarence R. I wonder if land in KR's estate was land that was once owned by Clarence and was somehow put in KR's name?

If the relationship is correct, this would make her KR's niece.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

To view information about his estate, go to the Pike County Probate Court web site. Click on the"Record Search" tab. Do a search using the last name Rhoden and it will show all the relevant parties.

https://www.pikecountypjcourt.com/recordSearch.php?k=searchForm6603

KR didn't have much besides several hundred dollars in the bank and his portion of ownership of the family property inherited from Clarence. Also a used car. None of the family members had sufficient assets to motivate someone to take a huge risk in killing all 8 family members. As inexperienced killers, this would have been an extremely difficult murder spree to commit and cover up. If murder were that easy and family were so motivated over such small estates, we would see far more mass familial murders.

KR seemed to have been chosen, along with CR1 because of some business issues related to the MJ grow ops. Those were the only big assets they owned. Because the killers left cash strewn on his body, it seemed there was a message sent about a business deal gone wrong, issues with business competition or concern about "snitching" to LE.

I agree there was bad business somewhere or maybe extreme resentment. I just cannot, for the life of me, understand how 200 plants could be the motive. In all honesty, it’s not that much weed.

CRsr has more assets in cars, equipment and tools(assuming) sitting around his property than they had in MJ.

I’d imagine, KR being someone who worked on cars as well, had quite a bit of tools as well.

And they both owned land.

There’s a lot to consider with the plants and a lot we don’t know. We don’t know how much light sources were being used, what kind of soil was being used, how many plants were actually mature with buds, how much (if any) was drying out etc.

Depending on all of those circumstances, those plants could have produced about 14oz of sellable weed per plant or they could have produced less.

There’s a calculator that gives an estimate of what is yielded per plant and it takes a few factors to figure out the correct estimate.

http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/yor/yieldcalc.htm

Just sharing so everyone can see the specifics that factor in to the final product.

 

[rsd1200]

For BJM I was talking about the Camp Creek Rd property that only CRsr owned. The 1.906 acre.

I ran another search and see where she is shown there on this one. I don't know why I hadn't seen that before. :facepalm: According to the data that I could view before the pva map changes, this year, it was purchased in 2008, but, a trailer was not placed on it, until sometime in 2014.

 

[rsd1200]

To view information about his estate, go to the Pike County Probate Court web site. Click on the"Record Search" tab. Do a search using the last name Rhoden and it will show all the relevant parties.

https://www.pikecountypjcourt.com/recordSearch.php?k=searchForm6603

KR didn't have much besides several hundred dollars in the bank and his portion of ownership of the family property inherited from Clarence. Also a used car. None of the family members had sufficient assets to motivate someone to take a huge risk in killing all 8 family members. As inexperienced killers, this would have been an extremely difficult murder spree to commit and cover up. If murder were that easy and family were so motivated over such small estates, we would see far more mass familial murders.

KR seemed to have been chosen, along with CR1 because of some business issues related to the MJ grow ops. Those were the only big assets they owned. Because the killers left cash strewn on his body, it seemed there was a message sent about a business deal gone wrong, issues with business competition or concern about "snitching" to LE.

I don't think it's the weed business, though, and there's just a very personal feel to it too. I do think Reader is being truthful, when he says it's deeper than a couple weed grows.

On the estates, the only thing I'm seeing for Denell Rhoden, is a petition to relieve her of her guardian. Am I looking at the wrong thing?

 

[rsd1200]

I read earlier on this forum that she is KR's uncle's daughter. If this is correct, then her father and KR were brothers and they were sons of Clarence R. I wonder if land in KR's estate was land that was once owned by Clarence and was somehow put in KR's name?

If the relationship is correct, this would make her KR's niece.

I am almost positive that she is GR's first cousin. GR's father, KR from Greenup, and her father, also from Greenup, but who passed in March of 2017, in Piketon at a nursing home, are brothers. There's one more living brother, JR, at least, last I think he's still living. I think the latter, JR, is the one who helped CRsr move the land around.

ETA: WRDR is her father.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I am almost positive that she is GR's first cousin. GR's father, KR from Greenup, and her father, also from Greenup, but who passed in March of 2017, in Piketon at a nursing home, are brothers. There's one more living brother, JR, at least, last I think he's still living. I think the latter, JR, is the one who helped CRsr move the land around.

ETA: WRDR is her father.

This is accurate. Dennell’s father was Clarence Rhoden’s brother.

Which makes her 1st cousin to all three of the Rhoden men murdered-CRsr, GR, & KR.

But I haven’t seen her name listed as someone seeking interest in the estate of KR. I have only seen her name regarding a guardianship case of a minor child, filed 3/2017.

 

[rsd1200]

This is accurate. Dennell’s father was Clarence Rhoden’s brother.

Which makes her 1st cousin to all three of the Rhoden men murdered-CRsr, GR, & KR.

But I haven’t seen her name listed as someone seeking interest in the estate of KR. I have only seen her name regarding a guardianship case of a minor child, filed 3/2017.

Yes. You said it much better, and that's all that I can see on her too.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I wonder who’s going to get all those cars. Well at least the ones that are legally owned by any of the deceased.

What happens to any vehicles that weren’t titled to any of the deceased but were on the property?

I know they’re in custody of Pike county right now, but I can’t imagine that will be the case forever.

And what happens with Dana’s house since it has a mortgage? Is the mortgage company just out that money and home? Someone must be paying the mortgage payment because wouldn’t the bank have foreclosed now and taken possession of the land (minus the house)?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Because of the story I told above, and others like it, insurance companies are tougher in their underwriting in terms of making certain the proposed insured actually knows there is an application out on them and also making sure the person who is buying the coverage has an insurable interest in the life of the proposed insured. In the case I mentioned, the woman was indeed a horrible person and she killed herself before the sheriff was able to arrest her for murder.

A fiance typically does not have an insurable interest in the life of her husband-to-be and vice versa. An exception might be made if there is a court order for child support.

A divorced couple might have an insurable interest in the life of their former partners when alimony and/or child support is involved. In those cases, pretty sure the underwriter would want to see the court order.

There are cases where an ex-wife or ex-husband purchased a policy on their ex-spouse when they were married (and had an insurable interest) and also named themselves as the owner of the policy. When someone owns the life insurance policy of another, they are in charge of the policy, as long as they make the premium payments to keep it in force. The owner can also change the beneficiary whenever they wish. In cases like this, the ex-spouse may not even be aware that this old life insurance policy is still in force!

How does that work with me and my son, grandchildren, DIL ect. Since doing research on here am thinking about taking out the AD&D on them. We have life insurance on them but that AD&D sounds really good.

Hubby is listed as beneficiary on the ones we have now. We pay the policies on them. I am his beneficiary.

So if we are paying the policies, and hubby is beneficiary, something happens to my son, God forbid, does my DIL or grandchildren get the money instead of hubby? Or can we just set it up so that her and the grandchildren get the money if we pay the policy? The way it is now, we would just give her the money left after the last expenses are paid. But after being on here I am wondering if mine and hubby's siblings could protest that (not that I think they would).

I also want to take out a policy where my younger sister is the beneficiary (so if something happens to me she still has a financial support for her ministry).

Which brings me to this. What if DR or CR1 had an AD&D on KR with CR1 as beneficiary? After all KR helped CR1 with his work.

Would KR's kids get it if CR1 was the beneficiary or would CR1's grandchildren get it since he was the beneficiary?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

For BJM I was talking about the Camp Creek Rd property that only CRsr owned. The 1.906 acre.

Amauet could you be a dear and post how to get into that probate again. I treid but could get into it to see who is involved,

Thank you

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Well there's an awful lot of people fighting for piece of a pie of KR's estate. I don't see anything in the probate records that is looks like he had a whole lot. Maybe he did?

Maybe he had a huge amount of that AD&D on him? Or other life insurance?

You know I just had a thought. Anna Nicole Smith. She had a huge lawsuit against her former stepchildren for a piece of her husbands estate.

Could KR have had such a lawsuit for an injury?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Maybe she (Dana), like most adults had life insurance through her job. I think that was a new job/place of employment. I think life insurance usually kicks in after 90 days? Noticed that Citizens Deposit Bank was listed as the bank holding insurance monies.On FR's account about 6,000.00 was taken from the original 25,000.00 amount. Wonder if that was what was owned on the funeral?

amauet could you post that link?

 

[rsd1200]

I wonder who’s going to get all those cars. Well at least the ones that are legally owned by any of the deceased.

What happens to any vehicles that weren’t titled to any of the deceased but were on the property?

I know they’re in custody of Pike county right now, but I can’t imagine that will be the case forever.

And what happens with Dana’s house since it has a mortgage? Is the mortgage company just out that money and home? Someone must be paying the mortgage payment because wouldn’t the bank have foreclosed now and taken possession of the land (minus the house)?

LM said that 15 of the vehicles were in DM's name, and he said he hopes to auction them off, along with the rest of her belongings.

https://www.daytondailynews.com/new...rs-abound-pike-county/sw88H0SRjuYVltzKX3xXUO/

I'd say that BR &/or TR are paying for DR's property costs. It's listed under BR now, iirc.

 

[molly1255]

How does that work with me and my son, grandchildren, DIL ect. Since doing research on here am thinking about taking out the AD&D on them. We have life insurance on them but that AD&D sounds really good.

Hubby is listed as beneficiary on the ones we have now. We pay the policies on them. I am his beneficiary.

So if we are paying the policies, and hubby is beneficiary, something happens to my son, God forbid, does my DIL or grandchildren get the money instead of hubby? Or can we just set it up so that her and the grandchildren get the money if we pay the policy? The way it is now, we would just give her the money left after the last expenses are paid. But after being on here I am wondering if mine and hubby's siblings could protest that (not that I think they would).

I also want to take out a policy where my younger sister is the beneficiary (so if something happens to me she still has a financial support for her ministry).

Which brings me to this. What if DR or CR1 had an AD&D on KR with CR1 as beneficiary? After all KR helped CR1 with his work.

Would KR's kids get it if CR1 was the beneficiary or would CR1's grandchildren get it since he was the beneficiary?

Your first question is a general insurance question and I can answer that. The named beneficiary is "absolute" on a life insurance policy. The person you name as beneficiary receives the proceeds, if they are alive, and if not, then it goes to the contingent beneficiary. If both the named beneficiary and the contingent beneficiary are deceased, the proceeds from the life insurance policy will likely end up in probate court and the probate court decides who gets the proceeds.

Your other questions about whether you can purchase coverage on someone else's life, and beneficiary designations are questions you would need to ask a licensed insurance agent in your area. Insurance is regulated by each state, and the agent must be licensed in the state in order to give insurance advice and to sell insurance. In addition, each insurance company has their own specific set of underwriting rules. I'm sorry, but I just can't answer these types of questions!

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Maybe he had a huge amount of that AD&D on him? Or other life insurance?

You know I just had a thought. Anna Nicole Smith. She had a huge lawsuit against her former stepchildren for a piece of her husbands estate.

Could KR have had such a lawsuit for an injury?

Is it possible he had AD&D through his employer? He had a decent job with (probably) decent benefits.

My job offers accident insurance, similar to AFLAC. I don’t remember the payouts but any type of death offers the highest payment.

 

[Betty P]

I agree there was bad business somewhere or maybe extreme resentment. I just cannot, for the life of me, understand how 200 plants could be the motive. In all honesty, it’s not that much weed.

CRsr has more assets in cars, equipment and tools(assuming) sitting around his property than they had in MJ.

I’d imagine, KR being someone who worked on cars as well, had quite a bit of tools as well.

And they both owned land.

There’s a lot to consider with the plants and a lot we don’t know. We don’t know how much light sources were being used, what kind of soil was being used, how many plants were actually mature with buds, how much (if any) was drying out etc.

Depending on all of those circumstances, those plants could have produced about 14oz of sellable weed per plant or they could have produced less.

There’s a calculator that gives an estimate of what is yielded per plant and it takes a few factors to figure out the correct estimate.

http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/yor/yieldcalc.htm

Just sharing so everyone can see the specifics that factor in to the final product.

No, 200 or 300 plants probably wouldn't be the motive for calling in a hit on 8 people in one family. That's about as unlikely as killing all of them for 100 acres of rural, mostly undeveloped real estate or a few thousand dollars in the bank.

But some people have killed others in the region (and elsewhere) over concern that they were going to "snitch" to the wrong people in law enforcement about drug trafficking organizations. The same would apply for money owed, blackmailing, etc. Business partners or competition who wanted to get rid of the Rhoden family for personal reasons could definitely make it appear that CR1 or KR were crossing the higher ups in the drug biz.

Maybe, due to arrests of others in the area, the Pike County prosecutor was preparing to call CR1 and KR to testify in a Grand Jury proceeding.