UNSOLVED Oh - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #33

[Becky Starkey]

Betty, I agree. What if there was a weapon, in a home, that once belonged to a Wagner? What if they're in danger? What if LE is screwing up.

I've often wondered that myself. Maybe LE isn't screwing up and by making such a public display of the W's they are actually trying to keep them safe and/or alive. IF it wasn't the W's directly, but a top dog up the chain, he or they are probably glad the focus is on the W's. If they get taken out now, it's obvious they didn't do it or at least weren't the main perp/s/. I also found the guy's comment about the investigators coming and asking about his silencers quite interesting. We've oft wondered here if silencers were used. Sounds like now, it's a safe bet LE at least thinks silencers were used. That newest article is quite interesting and gives some insight into some things we didn't know before. I'm betting the author knows a lot more he didn't mention. I don't see this case being solved here, TOS are a block in this case and should be revised for this case only. There are a lot of facts in this case we aren't allowed to discuss and too many rabbit holes are followed needlessly.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I have been thinking (always a dangerous thing for me I think). Could it have been something that little BR told LE he saw or heard that night that caused them to center on JM and the W's right out of the gate? What he said may not have been enough to bring about an arrest given that his testimony in court would have been iffy, but maybe enough to set them on that path?

JMO

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I've often wondered that myself. Maybe LE isn't screwing up and by making such a public display of the W's they are actually trying to keep them safe and/or alive. IF it wasn't the W's directly, but a top dog up the chain, he or they are probably glad the focus is on the W's. If they get taken out now, it's obvious they didn't do it or at least weren't the main perp/s/. I also found the guy's comment about the investigators coming and asking about his silencers quite interesting. We've oft wondered here if silencers were used. Sounds like now, it's a safe bet LE at least thinks silencers were used. That newest article is quite interesting and gives some insight into some things we didn't know before. I'm betting the author knows a lot more he didn't mention. I don't see this case being solved here, TOS are a block in this case and should be revised for this case only. There are a lot of facts in this case we aren't allowed to discuss and too many rabbit holes are followed needlessly.

I’m positive the author knows a lot more as he stated that AC told him things “off the records” and it was also mentioned how many shots each victim received, without specific numbers given. There’s 3 victims that I can’t say for sure how many times they were shot because it’s never been released in MSM by family and that’s the 3 Rhoden kids.

 

[Becky Starkey]

I think LE knew pretty quick who did this, or at least had a pretty good idea. The lifting of the lockdown so quickly at the school (even before CJr. was found after the 3rd try, I believe) is a clue to that, or supreme incompetence which is also highly likely. Whatever the scene in those trailers gives the answers, thus them being taken away (how convenient) and still hidden despite the cost and utter gross condition of them by now. I've also wondered if they weren't murdered at all but taken into protective custody, just because of the secrecy of everything. But my foremost thought was at the get go and still over 2 years later is the utter corruption in Ohio from local LE all the way to the top of state politics, statements by people in that recent article means others close to the case have the same thoughts. IMO

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I think LE knew pretty quick who did this, or at least had a pretty good idea. The lifting of the lockdown so quickly at the school (even before CJr. was found after the 3rd try, I believe) is a clue to that, or supreme incompetence which is also highly likely. Whatever the scene in those trailers gives the answers, thus them being taken away (how convenient) and still hidden despite the cost and utter gross condition of them by now. I've also wondered if they weren't murdered at all but taken into protective custody, just because of the secrecy of everything. But my foremost thought was at the get go and still over 2 years later is the utter corruption in Ohio from local LE all the way to the top of state politics, statements by people in that recent article means others close to the case have the same thoughts. IMO

I have to respectfully disagree about the lockdown. I used to think the same and may have even shared that thought here in the past BUT MSM was reporting 7 victims long before the lockdown was lifted at 11 a.m.

ETA-here’s a MSM timeline for the events that day and days after.

Timeline: Pike County shooting

 

[Becky Starkey]

I have been thinking (always a dangerous thing for me I think). Could it have been something that little BR told LE he saw or heard that night that caused them to center on JM and the W's right out of the gate? What he said may not have been enough to bring about an arrest given that his testimony in court would have been iffy, but maybe enough to set them on that path?

JMO

Yeah, we don't know here what he saw or heard. I've wondered if the perps even knew he was there. If they came in and out the back, they might not of even known he was on sleeping on the couch and that may have saved his life. Or if they came in the back and out the front, he could have hidden and they didn't see him on their way out. He wasn't supposed to be there that night.

 

[Becky Starkey]

I have to respectfully disagree about the lockdown. I used to think the same BUT MSM was reporting 7 victims long before the lockdown was lifted at 11 a.m.

I was under the impression it was lifted earlier. As I said before...rabbit holes, just because that is what MSM says doesn't make it true.

 

[rsd1200]

Another bust in Ohio....
DeWine: 6 arrests follow $3.4 million cocaine bust in Columbus

You don't see much cocaine these days. It pretty much ran its' course, here, in the late 90s. Wonder if it is making a comeback. It's pricey around these parts. That's why folks go for Ice. Cheap, and they can run on it for days. Heroin seems to be slowing down but it's a cheap alternative to pills if your doc stops prescribing. Some mix the two drugs... Crazy. When someone is way gone on Meth, they can truly be a danger to themselves, and others.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I was under the impression it was lifted earlier. As I said before...rabbit holes, just because that is what MSM says doesn't make it true.

There’s lots of rabbit holes for sure. It’s both unfortunate and fortunate that we have to follow what MSM says here on WS. It makes it difficult with this case because the information we have is limited and has to be dissected.

 

[Becky Starkey]

I think LE knew pretty quick who did this, or at least had a pretty good idea. The lifting of the lockdown so quickly at the school (even before CJr. was found after the 3rd try, I believe) is a clue to that, or supreme incompetence which is also highly likely. Whatever the scene in those trailers gives the answers, thus them being taken away (how convenient) and still hidden despite the cost and utter gross condition of them by now. I've also wondered if they weren't murdered at all but taken into protective custody, just because of the secrecy of everything. But my foremost thought was at the get go and still over 2 years later is the utter corruption in Ohio from local LE all the way to the top of state politics, statements by people in that recent article means others close to the case have the same thoughts. IMO

Or more than likely, killed before they got them into protective custody. IMO

 

[Becky Starkey]

You don't see much cocaine these days. It pretty much ran its' course, here, in the late 90s. Wonder if it is making a comeback. It's pricey around these parts. That's why folks go for Ice. Cheap, and they can run on it for days. Heroin seems to be slowing down but it's a cheap alternative to pills if your doc stops prescribing. Some mix the two drugs... Crazy. When someone is way gone on Meth, they can truly be a danger to themselves, and others.

Where I'm at, it's not that expensive anymore and it's been pretty popular in the background. But the fetanyl laced heroin has people scared and is making coke more popular. Meth isn't much of an issue here, maybe in the poorest of the poor areas that can't afford even the cheap coke. All of it is an issue of self medication. And all the drugs and the crimes and corruption that go with it are going to be an ongoing problem until this country has finally broken down and has no other choice but to go to single payer healthcare with comprehensive mental health care. And living wages. Until then, not in my lifetime, people will also go with the cheapest self medication.

 

[Becky Starkey]

There’s lots of rabbit holes for sure. Both unfortunately and fortunately we have to follow what MSM says here on MSM. It makes it difficult with this case because the information we have is limited and has to be dissected.

And that's is why I don't see this case being solved here, at least not with the info we are allowed to use. But I do know why TOS are here and have to be here. Just wish they could be tweaked a bit for this case. So much of the initial info from articles have been updated and/or lost as well, it's so hard to remember where you read what and if you do remember lots of times it isn't even available anymore. This case just eats at me day and night for so many reasons. I truly believe if it weren't for us here, this case would have been swept under the rug long ago. But forget me, the Manley's, the Rhodens, the Gilley's, and the Stones as well, need the answers. My heart aches for them all.

 

[wolvesjohnblack]

I heard topix was a bad never been there myself.I don't know much about Pike County but I want to go to a Tyler Childers and wanted to get some info on the area all I could find were the murders.With what little I know I think LE knows who did it but aren't saying and that not be by there own decision.

 

[Becky Starkey]

Sorry for all the posts, one more and I'll stop for a while lol, lots of rambling in my head today. In that newest article, there is a pic in LM's yard with the $10,000 reward for 8 murdered people. Although that paltry amount has always been bewildering to me, it just struck me as so utterly pathetic to see it like that. What or who was it that scared Ruby off with his his reward donation? No one is going to come forward and risk their life and livelihood for 10 grand. Makes you wonder if LE wants to solve it.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I hope that's just a rumor. There's already been one tragic (and suspicious) death in that family last week. Hopefully not another.

Speaking it the suspicious death of VR, it’s now been 9 days and we’ve not been told anything on the cause and manner of death. That’s suspicious in and of itself, IMO. Surely those two things have been determined or are they going to wait up to 12 weeks for tox reports to release anything? I feel like IF her death was a suicide, that would have been clarified by now considering the high profile status of all of her cousins murders.

 

[flute4peace]

Speaking it the suspicious death of VR, it’s now been 9 days and we’ve not been told anything on the cause and manner of death. That’s suspicious in and of itself, IMO. Surely those two things have been determined or are they going to wait up to 12 weeks for tox reports to release anything? I feel like IF her death was a suicide, that would have been clarified by now considering the high profile status of all of her cousins murders.

I was thinking it had been deemed self-inflicted early on. Was that retracted?

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Speaking it the suspicious death of VR, it’s now been 9 days and we’ve not been told anything on the cause and manner of death. That’s suspicious in and of itself, IMO. Surely those two things have been determined or are they going to wait up to 12 weeks for tox reports to release anything? I feel like IF her death was a suicide, that would have been clarified by now considering the high profile status of all of her cousins murders.

911 call: Violet Rhoden Taylor's death may have been suicide

I stand corrected, kinda. If you listen to the 911 call, “some guy said she shot herself and he took off scared”

 

[Betty P]

I was thinking it had been deemed self-inflicted early on. Was that retracted?

Yes, that appears to have happened. Though I didn't think to do any screen caps, the reporting in the news media changed.

 

[flute4peace]

Yes, that appears to have happened. Though I didn't think to do any screen caps, the reporting in the news media changed.

Thanks Betty. Mighty interesting (and inherently sad).

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I was thinking it had been deemed self-inflicted early on. Was that retracted?

Reader said it, I believe, but then the case was handed off to BCI and every article since has said its being investigated and is deemed suspicious. It could be a case of CYA on behalf of LE/BCI as far as being investigated just to make sure it was 100% self inflicted.