UNSOLVED Oh - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #33

[Betty P]

My Voter Information - Voter Search

Yes, that's Husted's web site. I'm still not seeing any date for AW's listing. Is there something I'm missing?

Here's the link to the Scioto County BOE entry for her. It has a little more info, but no date

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[MittenScarpetta]

Yes, that's Husted's web site. I'm still not seeing any date for AW's listing. Is there something I'm missing?

Here's the link to the Scioto County BOE entry for her. It has a little more info, but no date

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I’ll have to find the link where I saw it at. It said her voter registration was updated in May 2018 and reflected the S Webster address.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

This is interesting.

Waverly Police Chief put on administrative leave

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Yes, that's Husted's web site. I'm still not seeing any date for AW's listing. Is there something I'm missing?

Here's the link to the Scioto County BOE entry for her. It has a little more info, but no date

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Sorry for the delay, I’m running on information overload.

May 21, 2018

Angela Jo Wagner, 52 Havener Ln, South Webster, OH

 

[Dudly]

BBM

Wait. There was a tracker placed on JW's truck?

There was the Newsome, and the C/B murders just to name a few we know about. Then there was the guy who disappeared and his truck was found close to the R crime scene. I can't remember the others right now.

The truck in question could have been used in a murder somewhere other than Pike County also. Even another state. It didn't say on the warrant what murder it was used in.

LE is not stupid. That truck could have been involved in a hit and run ten years earlier and LE put that tracker on it knowing JM would likely find it and destroy it so they could charge him with a crime and get leverage on him for questioning.

IMO they have been focused on JM from day one. They saw something in his truck that first day they were suspicious of and towed it. Maybe his story didn't add up about finding DR. We don't know what family, friends, neighbors questioned by LE have told them about JM or his relationship with DR, JW or CR1. But for them to stop in the middle of the biggest crime scene in Ohio history to tow a truck for no tag sounds fishy to me.

My understanding is that LE has said JM's truck had illegal plates on it. If that is the case, they tow the vehicle in Ohio. They do not let you drive it, even to move it out of the way. If they had other motives, we may never know...

 

[Dudly]

Mike DeWine was just on 700WLW Bill Cunningham show, and Bill asked if there was anything new on Pike County.

Mike said “Very active investigation. I have a briefing later today.”

It'd be more believable if he said, "Very active indigestion. I'll have briefs on today." lol

 

[rsd1200]

It'd be more believable if he said, "Very active indigestion. I'll have briefs on today." lol

Baha!

 

[RAISINISBACK]

My understanding is that LE has said JM's truck had illegal plates on it. If that is the case, they tow the vehicle in Ohio. They do not let you drive it, even to move it out of the way. If they had other motives, we may never know...

Yes but... illegal plates on a vehicle versus investigating 8 people brutally murdered? I would say the investigation should have been top priority. They could have left that truck there for weeks instead of wasting time having it towed right in the middle of a crucial window of time ( 48 hours) in a murder investigation when all LE should have been focusing on interviewing friends, family and neighbors along with other witnesses.

Still sounds more like they wanted forensics to go over that truck than an issue with illegal plates on it.

JMO

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Yes but... illegal plates on a vehicle versus investigating 8 people brutally murdered? I would say the investigation should have been top priority. They could have left that truck there for weeks instead of wasting time having it towed right in the middle of a crucial window of time ( 48 hours) in a murder investigation when all LE should have been focusing on interviewing friends, family and neighbors along with other witnesses.

Still sounds more like they wanted forensics to go over that truck than an issue with illegal plates on it.

JMO

I believe one “theory” that explains why LE kept JM’s truck the day of the murders is that the truck was legally DR’s, as JM was purchasing it from her...making payments perhaps. Still titled to Dana, with expired tags maybe? That’s just one of many reasons I’ve ran across but it’s about one of the only ones that makes sense.

 

[Betty P]

Sorry for the delay, I’m running on information overload.

May 21, 2018

Angela Jo Wagner, 52 Havener Ln, South Webster, OH

Thanks! That looks interesting.

 

[Betty P]

This is interesting.

Waverly Police Chief put on administrative leave

Also interesting. He says it's related to finances. Looking for a news media story, but no luck yet.

No charges filed yet

https://pikecountycpcourt.org/eservices/search.page.3.1?x=L2LVmNIOuECgS5DsejL**Q

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Also interesting. He says it's related to finances. Looking for a news media story, but no luck yet.

No charges filed yet

https://pikecountycpcourt.org/eservices/search.page.3.1?x=L2LVmNIOuECgS5DsejL**Q

Him and Reader are thick as thieves.

 

[rsd1200]

Interesting. As I said, I'm a bit tied up these days, so this may be old news but it's new to me.

The Franklin County Sheriff's Office has identified the seven deputies from it's SWAT team who fired their guns at some point during last week's fatal deputy-involved shooting in Pike County.

Sheriff identifies Franklin County deputies involved in fatal Pike County shooting

 

[Dudly]

Yes but... illegal plates on a vehicle versus investigating 8 people brutally murdered? I would say the investigation should have been top priority. They could have left that truck there for weeks instead of wasting time having it towed right in the middle of a crucial window of time ( 48 hours) in a murder investigation when all LE should have been focusing on interviewing friends, family and neighbors along with other witnesses.

Still sounds more like they wanted forensics to go over that truck than an issue with illegal plates on it.

JMO

All they do is have the dispatcher call a tow truck. From the time they noticed the illegal plates till it was resolved could have been minutes. I believe he was parked on the edge of the road in front of a driveway so they would have wanted it out of the way. I doubt it impeded the investigation. There were plenty of LE on site...


Talked to a friend of mine that got stopped driving his tractor about 100 feet from his lane for not having a Slow Moving Vehicle Sign. He said I live right there, can I just drive there to get it. The cop said, that's good, you don't have far to walk, and he made him walk to get the sign...

 

[rsd1200]

All they do is have the dispatcher call a tow truck. From the time they noticed the illegal plates till it was resolved could have been minutes. I believe he was parked on the edge of the road in front of a driveway so they would have wanted it out of the way. I doubt it impeded the investigation. There were plenty of LE on site...


Talked to a friend of mine that got stopped driving his tractor about 100 feet from his lane for not having a Slow Moving Vehicle Sign. He said I live right there, can I just drive there to get it. The cop said, that's good, you don't have far to walk, and he made him walk to get the sign...

Ohio is a bit picky on their vehicle laws. Idk about now, but used to was, a missing front plate was a big deal too. Not that I don't believe you, but a sign, saying a tractor is a slow moving vehicle, seems like just a reason. Who doesn't know that a tractor is not especially speedy?

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Ohio is a bit picky on their vehicle laws. Idk about now, but used to was, a missing front plate was a big deal too. Not that I don't believe you, but a sign, saying a tractor is a slow moving vehicle, seems like just a reason. Who doesn't know that a tractor is not especially speedy?

They still are.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Ohio is a bit picky on their vehicle laws. Idk about now, but used to was, a missing front plate was a big deal too. Not that I don't believe you, but a sign, saying a tractor is a slow moving vehicle, seems like just a reason. Who doesn't know that a tractor is not especially speedy?

BBM
I would say so. Not so much here though. I was talking to a cousin and she told me a story about her son that happened a few years ago. When he was sixteen ( he is 21 now) he worked and got enough money to buy an old car. He didn't buy the tag or have the title changed over though because he didn't have the money. When his 30 day temporary tag expired he just took it off the back of the vehicle instead of changing it over and buying a new tag. One night he wanted to go to a party in a different town, so he took the tag off his mom's new car and put it on his. He got pulled over for speeding by a deputy and the deputy ran the tag. It came back registered to a new car in his mom's name. So they ran the VIN number on the car which came back to the previous owners. He told the deputy he bought the car but didn't have the money to change the title over and buy the tag which had expired. He said he wanted to go to a party so he used his mom's tag. The deputy gave him tickets for failure to pay tax to the state, improper display of a tag, and speeding. After a strict lecture he let him continue on his way to the party telling him if he got stopped again to show them the tickets so he wouldn't get another ticket for the same offense.

That's why it is so hard for me to understand why they would stop in the middle of a murder investigation to have a vehicle towed for a tag.

JMO

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Well, the last I knew, JK took a 3 year plea on drug charges and is sitting in jail in another county where he isn’t an informant. So, I’m just taking a guess and am gonna say he will see the grand jury sometime between now and 3 years from now and we (the public) will never hear another word about it. It’s looking like we will never know if VRT died by suicide or murder either.

On another note, it’s very interesting that AW’s father’s obituary notes that he was involved in used car sales (paraphrasing). He passed away in November 2017. The W’s were back in the area atleast in May 2017. Their current residence which is Pug’s home, was searched in August 2018.

Could that be the business connection between BW & CRsr? Used cars? Maybe CRsr was working for AW’s father. Locals have a lot to say about Pug. From my understanding and only my opinion, Mr. Carter didn’t just deal in vehicles. This is only speculation, but I do think it’s worth taking a look at.

Guns. Lots of guns.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

My Voter Information - Voter Search

Let me tell you a little detail about elections.

If for example I’m a snow bird but keep my registration in my original state. Last year during a presidential year, I can walk into any polling place anywhere and vote in a presidential election. WITH ID.
Mi was also surprised to learn I could change my voter registration to say Nevada using NO ID at all.

Which explains exactly how I watched tourist buses licensed in California unload people at a polling place on Lake Mead Blvd. in Las Vegas. They entered, voted and proceeded to 2 or more other polling places in town. I followed because I was curious and had nothing more important that day.

VOTER FRAUD? Appeared likely to me. There were other buses doing the same.

And I never was asked for ID of any kind. I did have to sign only my name.

One additional scenario. If AW voted in Ohio last November, because if the small town polling places. It is possible that the elections worker asked for ID or she offered it, and her registration was changed back to Ohio. Since there has been no election since, likely it may have been done by an election official that was adhering to the old rules. Changing addresses would have been efficient.

 

[Dudly]

BBM
I would say so. Not so much here though. I was talking to a cousin and she told me a story about her son that happened a few years ago. When he was sixteen ( he is 21 now) he worked and got enough money to buy an old car. He didn't buy the tag or have the title changed over though because he didn't have the money. When his 30 day temporary tag expired he just took it off the back of the vehicle instead of changing it over and buying a new tag. One night he wanted to go to a party in a different town, so he took the tag off his mom's new car and put it on his. He got pulled over for speeding by a deputy and the deputy ran the tag. It came back registered to a new car in his mom's name. So they ran the VIN number on the car which came back to the previous owners. He told the deputy he bought the car but didn't have the money to change the title over and buy the tag which had expired. He said he wanted to go to a party so he used his mom's tag. The deputy gave him tickets for failure to pay tax to the state, improper display of a tag, and speeding. After a strict lecture he let him continue on his way to the party telling him if he got stopped again to show them the tickets so he wouldn't get another ticket for the same offense.

That's why it is so hard for me to understand why they would stop in the middle of a murder investigation to have a vehicle towed for a tag.

JMO

In Ohio the car would have been towed to impound lot. He would have had to call someone to get him. He would have been charged with having fictitious plates which carries a large fine.