UNSOLVED Oh - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #33

[Betty P]

I wonder if he’s picky about who he gives interviews to because I’m not too proud to call myself and ask for an interview based on what’s known now LOL

Hasn't Tricia interviewed him before in one of her podcasts? Might be worth asking her if she will contact him about this case.

 

[Betty P]

Sorry guys, I’m new here but wanted to give my 2 cents worth but I was having problems working the reply to Mitten in #1038 regarding the perimortem thrombus.

I don’t think the perimortem thrombus is of any significant value. Since there is no documentation on the redacted version of the autopsy regarding an abdominal incision I have to conclude the baby was delivered vaginally. Depending on the size of the baby and the size of HR’s pelvis she may have done 2-3 hours of pushing to deliver the baby. This could result in a temporary thrombus (clot) that will be absorbed later by her body as she heals.

Welcome Merrygirl!

 

[Merrygirl]

Welcome Merrygirl!
Thanks, Betty. I have been a faithful follower these past 2 yrs but never brave enough to post.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

WARMEST WELCOME TO YOU.

 

[ilovepierre]

Sorry guys, I’m new here but wanted to give my 2 cents worth but I was having problems working the reply to Mitten in #1038 regarding the perimortem thrombus.

I don’t think the perimortem thrombus is of any significant value. Since there is no documentation on the redacted version of the autopsy regarding an abdominal incision I have to conclude the baby was delivered vaginally. Depending on the size of the baby and the size of HR’s pelvis she may have done 2-3 hours of pushing to deliver the baby. This could result in a temporary thrombus (clot) that will be absorbed later by her body as she heals.

IIRC, she delivered S via C-section.

 

[rsd1200]

I don't think the focus was CR1. I think the focus was HMR. CR1 just got the most bullets because he was the hardest to stop. The fact that HHG was shot five times shows the hatred toward her because of her brother CG.

She wasn't dating CG at the time of the murders. There's happy pictures of her and CH, and of her and CH and S, on her HMR FB, but none of her and CG. Look on her Instagram, she never deleted JW's photos, but there's none of CG on there.

Look at CG's FB. You can tell as far back as May 5, 2015 that they were together. That's more than a year before the murders. HMR never even announced her and CG's relationship on her primary FB, either. Now CH? CH is on there. So is their relationship status. CH seems to be the man with whom she was looking toward future.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Based on his weird story, I've always wondered if DS muddied the water at KR's place. Did he tamper with anything. I've always wondered if he had gone there by himself before he was at the church and sent there to check on KR. Going to check on him made sure there was a reason for his DNA and fingerprints being there. He says he was supposed to stay there that night and did not. Did he go first thing in the morning and tamper with things so he was sure his good friend would not be implicated in a murder suicide even though, unknown to him, that was not the case? I've always thought he was one of the people Reader referred to as not being truthful about what they told LE. So many possibilities....

So, I’ve came to the conclusion and it’s JMHO but I don’t believe DS was ever supposed to stay the night. And I think LE knows that as well.

However, DS had to use that story in interviews because that’s what he had told his wife at the time. I’m just guessing, but that’s probably half the story he gave his wife for example “well I was supposed to stay the night there last night like I told you I was doing , but I ended up staying at so & so’s place because blah blah blah”. IMO it was a cover story for an affair that DS had going on at the time that led to his divorce and new marriage. He had to keep that story up on televised interviews cause the ole lady with the marriage license at the time was watching the news.

BUT-I don’t doubt DS muddied some waters over at KR’s place. No matter which way I spin his story, it reeks of good old fashioned BS.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

This podcaster will be dropping his episode on this case on August 2nd.

Killer's Crawlspace

 

[Dudly]

So, I’ve came to the conclusion and it’s JMHO but I don’t believe DS was ever supposed to stay the night. And I think LE knows that as well.

However, DS had to use that story in interviews because that’s what he had told his wife at the time. I’m just guessing, but that’s probably half the story he gave his wife for example “well I was supposed to stay the night there last night like I told you I was doing , but I ended up staying at so & so’s place because blah blah blah”. IMO it was a cover story for an affair that DS had going on at the time that led to his divorce and new marriage. He had to keep that story up on televised interviews cause the ole lady with the marriage license at the time was watching the news.

BUT-I don’t doubt DS muddied some waters over at KR’s place. No matter which way I spin his story, it reeks of good old fashioned BS.

How many people would find a good friend deceased and wander around the property for a while before calling LE? I'd be afraid I'd find the perpetrator. Was there something of value he thought would be a terrible waste if confiscated by LE like KR's gun? His daughter mentioned that she wondered where it was.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

How many people would find a good friend deceased and wander around the property for a while before calling LE? I'd be afraid I'd find the perpetrator. Was there something of value he thought would be a terrible waste if confiscated by LE like KR's gun? His daughter mentioned that she wondered where it was.

I agree. I hope to NEVER be in a situation like that, however if I was, I would never admittedly walk out to a barn and observe the pot plants. And whatever else he did that we aren’t aware of. I think my first reaction would be to run out the door, get in the car, lock the doors and call 911 while backing out and distancing myself from that crime scene. My goodness, get out of dodge. His actions are bizarre. And he has KR’s son with him-another Rhoden who possibly could’ve been in danger because of who he was.

 

[rsd1200]

How many people would find a good friend deceased and wander around the property for a while before calling LE? I'd be afraid I'd find the perpetrator. Was there something of value he thought would be a terrible waste if confiscated by LE like KR's gun? His daughter mentioned that she wondered where it was.

He knew what was in that garage. He was checking to see if it was still there, or, if they took something else, that we've not been told about, imo. Also, he obviously drove to KR's, but, DS; "We walk out to the road. We go up the road. I dial 911. We come back to the scene." ( Pike Co. man recounts discovering cousin's body, calling 911 on day of massacre )

So, they walk all the way up that drive and up the road, get a signal, make the call, then walk back down to the scene, but tells 911 he'll be waiting out by the road. Why not get in the vehicle and DRIVE? That's not a short lane, and, he supposedly didn't know if someone else was around there waiting to off another family member. Me? I'd have went directly to the vehicle, drove to the highway, got a signal, called 911, and sat and waited by the road, for LE. No going back to the eighth murder scene of my family.

DS makes zero sense, neither did his crocodile tears, and his story has changed over time, or parts were left out for some reason. I do think that KR was a cover story, for his then wife's benefit, but still, I find him sketchy, and have from day one.

 

[flute4peace]

He knew what was in that garage. He was checking to see if it was still there, or, if they took something else, that we've not been told about, imo. Also, he obviously drove to KR's, but, DS; "We walk out to the road. We go up the road. I dial 911. We come back to the scene." ( Pike Co. man recounts discovering cousin's body, calling 911 on day of massacre )

So, they walk all the way up that drive and up the road, get a signal, make the call, then walk back down to the scene, but tells 911 he'll be waiting out by the road. Why not get in the vehicle and DRIVE? That's not a short lane, and, he supposedly didn't know if someone else was around there waiting to off another family member. Me? I'd have went directly to the vehicle, drove to the highway, got a signal, called 911, and sat and waited by the road, for LE. No going back to the eighth murder scene of my family.

DS makes zero sense, neither did his crocodile tears, and his story has changed over time, or parts were left out for some reason. I do think that KR was a cover story, for his then wife's benefit, but still, I find him sketchy, and have from day one.

I've always wondered why he was checking on KR & not LE. One would think under the circumstances that LE would have checked on all of the Rs.

 

[rsd1200]

I've always wondered why he was checking on KR & not LE. One would think under the circumstances that LE would have checked on all of the Rs.

I think that Pike County LE had their hands full on processing the scenes, and interviewing those who discovered the bodies, at the first four murders at two scenes, and then the scene at DR's home. KR lived around 7-8 miles away, and from what his immediate family knew, KR was supposed to be at work. Had DS spoken up, and told everyone what he later told the paper, then they'd probably have called LE in Scioto, to meet family at DS's trailer. I think that DS knew but didn't divulge.

 

[Dudly]

I agree. I hope to NEVER be in a situation like that, however if I was, I would never admittedly walk out to a barn and observe the pot plants. And whatever else he did that we aren’t aware of. I think my first reaction would be to run out the door, get in the car, lock the doors and call 911 while backing out and distancing myself from that crime scene. My goodness, get out of dodge. His actions are bizarre. And he has KR’s son with him-another Rhoden who possibly could’ve been in danger because of who he was.

And all he could think to say to the murdered man's son was, you don't need to see this(Whatever it was to that effect)? Not, Oh no, I'm sorry? Wow...

 

[Betty P]

And all he could think to say to the murdered man's son was, you don't need to see this(Whatever it was to that effect)? Not, Oh no, I'm sorry? Wow...

I can understand him wanting to keep KR's son from seeing his father's body in such a horrific state. A lot of his other actions that day were unusual, but that one I understand. It's probably for the best.

 

[rsd1200]

I can understand him wanting to keep KR's son from seeing his father's body in such a horrific state. A lot of his other actions that day were unusual, but that one I understand. It's probably for the best.

I think it was the way in which it rung, at least with me, in his interviews, and the fact that he even agreed to take KR's son there, knowing he, DS, hadn't spent the night there, and no one had heard from KR. DS of all people should have been concerned, calling, and going by KR's much earlier, and well before he was asked. He was supposed to get up early, and work on cars with KR. Odd that someone who cared so much for DS hadn't called and told him there'd been a change of plans.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I think it was the way in which it rung, at least with me, in his interviews, and the fact that he even agreed to take KR's son there, knowing he, DS, hadn't spent the night there, and no one had heard from KR. DS of all people should have been concerned, calling, and going by KR's much earlier, and well before he was asked. He was supposed to get up early, and work on cars with KR. Odd that someone who cared so much for DS hadn't called and told him there'd been a change of plans.

I think most people in that situation would have pulled in and saw KR’s vehicle there at 1 in the afternoon and immediately called 911 and said umm hey somethings wrong? It doesn’t sit right with me that he pulled in, clearly knew KR’s vehicle was there when he was supposed to be at work, walked up to the camper and stated the padlock wasn’t locked like it should have been had KR not been there. The man had two huge red flags before he opened that camper door.

But instead of calling 911 after those 2 red flags, he proceeded into the camper. And he knew that 7 of KR’s family members were all murdered 7 miles away. It makes zero sense from an honesty standpoint.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I think most people in that situation would have pulled in and saw KR’s vehicle there at 1 in the afternoon and immediately called 911 and said umm hey somethings wrong? It doesn’t sit right with me that he pulled in, clearly knew KR’s vehicle was there when he was supposed to be at work, walked up to the camper and stated the padlock wasn’t locked like it should have been had KR not been there. The man had two huge red flags before he opened that camper door.

But instead of calling 911 after those 2 red flags, he proceeded into the camper. And he knew that 7 of KR’s family members were all murdered 7 miles away. It makes zero sense from an honesty standpoint.

Here is what makes zero sense to me. At 7:00 AM (or around there) BJM finds CR1. She calls LM who in turn (maybe) calls JM to go tell CR1's ex wife (DR). They call ChelR and her mother. They call HHG's mom. They call KR2 who says she tried to call her dad KR. They call DS. They call TR and I am assuming BR. In fact over 150 relatives were congregated at the church by noon. But no one finds it odd that KR wasn't there? When they couldn't get him on the phone no one drives over to KR's trailer to tell him in person at say 8:00 AM when obviously they were calling and telling everyone in the family and even some who were not family the news? No one says "hey we need to tell KR his brother is dead"? No one tells KR2 " well if he's not answering his cell phone call the company he works at and tell them it's an emergency"? Tell them to get him on the phone so we can tell him his brother and his brothers whole family is dead. See that is what doesn't make sense to me. They called his brothers (TR and BR). They called his sisters. They called his mom. They called GR's family in KY. They called HHG's mom. They called ChelR and her mom. They called cousins, nephews, friends. But no one jumps in the car and drives over to tell KR when they can't get him on the phone?

The reason I say this is because when my younger brother was injured seriously in a car accident we started calling everyone in the family. This was way before cell phones were invented. One of my older brothers was working on a construction job and he was down in a creek bed pouring concrete. No way to get in touch with him. We called the office of the company he worked for and told them it was an emergency and to give him a message to call us back. Within five minutes he called back.

When my BIL passed away ( he lived in another state as did all of my husbands family) there had just been a huge storm that knocked down all the power lines to our house. ( A tree limb fell on them.) My SIL tried calling us for about an hour. When she couldn't get us on the phone she called the police department in our town and told them to come to our house and notify us of what happened. They were knocking on our door within minutes.

This is why it is so strange to me that the R family waited until 1:00 PM 6 hours after the discovery of CR1's body to go tell KR. It wasn't like he lived out of state or even a long distance away. (He lived less than ten miles away.) And then it was a cousin they sent to tell him. KR had three kids, why weren't they beating a path to his front door to tell him the news? It makes less sense that his three kids didn't go to his house than it does that DS didn't go until 1:00 PM.

That is what makes zero sense to me.

JMO

 

[Dudly]

I think it was the way in which it rung, at least with me, in his interviews, and the fact that he even agreed to take KR's son there, knowing he, DS, hadn't spent the night there, and no one had heard from KR. DS of all people should have been concerned, calling, and going by KR's much earlier, and well before he was asked. He was supposed to get up early, and work on cars with KR. Odd that someone who cared so much for DS hadn't called and told him there'd been a change of plans.

Since he was supposed to have spent the night, and did not, why did he not go there first thing in the morning? That alone makes his story questionable. That and the fact that he is apparently the ONLY living person that knew KR was not going to his regular job that morning. To me, these two things makes anything else he says questionable. I would think LE leaned on him pretty good. That may be why he virtually disappeared...

 

[flute4peace]

Here is what makes zero sense to me. At 7:00 AM (or around there) BJM finds CR1. She calls LM who in turn (maybe) calls JM to go tell CR1's ex wife (DR). They call ChelR and her mother. They call HHG's mom. They call KR2 who says she tried to call her dad KR. They call DS. They call TR and I am assuming BR. In fact over 150 relatives were congregated at the church by noon. But no one finds it odd that KR wasn't there? When they couldn't get him on the phone no one drives over to KR's trailer to tell him in person at say 8:00 AM when obviously they were calling and telling everyone in the family and even some who were not family the news? No one says "hey we need to tell KR his brother is dead"? No one tells KR2 " well if he's not answering his cell phone call the company he works at and tell them it's an emergency"? Tell them to get him on the phone so we can tell him his brother and his brothers whole family is dead. See that is what doesn't make sense to me. They called his brothers (TR and BR). They called his sisters. They called his mom. They called GR's family in KY. They called HHG's mom. They called ChelR and her mom. They called cousins, nephews, friends. But no one jumps in the car and drives over to tell KR when they can't get him on the phone?

The reason I say this is because when my younger brother was injured seriously in a car accident we started calling everyone in the family. This was way before cell phones were invented. One of my older brothers was working on a construction job and he was down in a creek bed pouring concrete. No way to get in touch with him. We called the office of the company he worked for and told them it was an emergency and to give him a message to call us back. Within five minutes he called back.

When my BIL passed away ( he lived in another state as did all of my husbands family) there had just been a huge storm that knocked down all the power lines to our house. ( A tree limb fell on them.) My SIL tried calling us for about an hour. When she couldn't get us on the phone she called the police department in our town and told them to come to our house and notify us of what happened. They were knocking on our door within minutes.

This is why it is so strange to me that the R family waited until 1:00 PM 6 hours after the discovery of CR1's body to go tell KR. It wasn't like he lived out of state or even a long distance away. (He lived less than ten miles away.) And then it was a cousin they sent to tell him. KR had three kids, why weren't they beating a path to his front door to tell him the news? It makes less sense that his three kids didn't go to his house than it does that DS didn't go until 1:00 PM.

That is what makes zero sense to me.

JMO

Excellent post!!! I was thinking it was odd that LE hadn't gone to check on him, but it's even odder that the family hadn't noticed his absence. Although I suppose in that sort of situation things are chaotic and it could have just been an oversight. Still....seems odd.