UNSOLVED Oh - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #33

[Betty P]

Here is what makes zero sense to me. At 7:00 AM (or around there) BJM finds CR1. She calls LM who in turn (maybe) calls JM to go tell CR1's ex wife (DR). They call ChelR and her mother. They call HHG's mom. They call KR2 who says she tried to call her dad KR. They call DS. They call TR and I am assuming BR. In fact over 150 relatives were congregated at the church by noon. But no one finds it odd that KR wasn't there? When they couldn't get him on the phone no one drives over to KR's trailer to tell him in person at say 8:00 AM when obviously they were calling and telling everyone in the family and even some who were not family the news? No one says "hey we need to tell KR his brother is dead"? No one tells KR2 " well if he's not answering his cell phone call the company he works at and tell them it's an emergency"? Tell them to get him on the phone so we can tell him his brother and his brothers whole family is dead. See that is what doesn't make sense to me. They called his brothers (TR and BR). They called his sisters. They called his mom. They called GR's family in KY. They called HHG's mom. They called ChelR and her mom. They called cousins, nephews, friends. But no one jumps in the car and drives over to tell KR when they can't get him on the phone?

The reason I say this is because when my younger brother was injured seriously in a car accident we started calling everyone in the family. This was way before cell phones were invented. One of my older brothers was working on a construction job and he was down in a creek bed pouring concrete. No way to get in touch with him. We called the office of the company he worked for and told them it was an emergency and to give him a message to call us back. Within five minutes he called back.

When my BIL passed away ( he lived in another state as did all of my husbands family) there had just been a huge storm that knocked down all the power lines to our house. ( A tree limb fell on them.) My SIL tried calling us for about an hour. When she couldn't get us on the phone she called the police department in our town and told them to come to our house and notify us of what happened. They were knocking on our door within minutes.

This is why it is so strange to me that the R family waited until 1:00 PM 6 hours after the discovery of CR1's body to go tell KR. It wasn't like he lived out of state or even a long distance away. (He lived less than ten miles away.) And then it was a cousin they sent to tell him. KR had three kids, why weren't they beating a path to his front door to tell him the news? It makes less sense that his three kids didn't go to his house than it does that DS didn't go until 1:00 PM.

That is what makes zero sense to me.

JMO

I realize we've discussed this plenty of times here. Given your POV on this, what would be the benefit to the family of hiding KR's death from LE? Personally, I can't think of anything outside of removing pot plants or money, etc. from the scene. The pot plants were very young, still in trays. So what would be the rationale for taking that kind of risk? What payoff? How would it help find the killers? If your theory is they removed evidence, why would close family members want to protect people who just murdered 8 family members in cold blood?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I realize we've discussed this plenty of times here. Given your POV on this, what would be the benefit to the family of hiding KR's death from LE? Personally, I can't think of anything outside of removing pot plants or money, etc. from the scene. The pot plants were very young, still in trays. So what would be the rationale for taking that kind of risk? What payoff? How would it help find the killers? If your theory is they removed evidence, why would close family members want to protect people who just murdered 8 family members in cold blood?

Betty I don't know how it is relevant, I just know it is. If a puzzle piece doesn't fit in a particular puzzle then that piece doesn't belong in that puzzle. That is the way them not notifying KR about his brothers death strikes me. It just doesn't fit. I know that they were all in shock. I know it was probably chaotic. I know they were probably talking to LE. But they notified 150 people and yet they did not notify one of the relative's brother until 6 hours later? I mean what were they thinking? "let's don't tell KR yet that his brother has been murdered, let's wait a few days and see if he notices?" "Or let's don't bother he can see it on the news?" Then his own kids don't go tell him. They send a cousin. I could see an hour later, but 6 hours?

Let's all do a poll on here and try to put it into perspective. We have all lost family members. So let's say we lose a close family member (accident, natural death, murder doesn't matter how they passed except it was an unexpected death) what do you do right after you learn about it. Lets all try to put ourselves in the R's places and be honest with what you would do. Let's see just how strange waiting 6 hours to notify a brother really is.

If it were me (and has been since I have lost close family members) the first thing I would do is start calling other family. I would start with the closest people to the deceased and branch out from there. I would make sure they know and try to find out what happened. I would NOT wait 6 hours to notify a brother of the deceased. And in the R's case with 150 people assembled in a church within 4 hours of the discovery and with it being blasted all over every news channel in the nation, I would NOT allow one of the deceased brothers find out from watching the news.

Now how about everyone else on here? What would you do?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I realize we've discussed this plenty of times here. Given your POV on this, what would be the benefit to the family of hiding KR's death from LE? Personally, I can't think of anything outside of removing pot plants or money, etc. from the scene. The pot plants were very young, still in trays. So what would be the rationale for taking that kind of risk? What payoff? How would it help find the killers? If your theory is they removed evidence, why would close family members want to protect people who just murdered 8 family members in cold blood?

Betty I think you misunderstand what I am saying. I am not saying the family was hiding KR's death from LE. Supposedly they didn't know he was dead until 1 ;00 PM. How would they know he was dead if they didn't go check.

What I am saying is that it is strange that KR's own kids or anyone else parked up at that church did not go sooner than 6 hours to check on KR and make sure he knew.

 

[rsd1200]

Since he was supposed to have spent the night, and did not, why did he not go there first thing in the morning? That alone makes his story questionable. That and the fact that he is apparently the ONLY living person that knew KR was not going to his regular job that morning. To me, these two things makes anything else he says questionable. I would think LE leaned on him pretty good. That may be why he virtually disappeared...

That is the thing that bugs me about him. He KNEW he was home, unless he lied, to cover for being at a gf's house, and was never there to begin with. With the signals in that area, I could see it taking some time to call around, and thinking he may be out of range, but, DS, was there, at the place, with the family, watching them call, all in vain. If he knew, how awful.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

That is the thing that bugs me about him. He KNEW he was home, unless he lied, to cover for being at a gf's house, and was never there to begin with. With the signals in that area, I could see it taking some time to call around, and thinking he may be out of range, but, DS, was there, at the place, with the family, watching them call, all in vain. If he knew, how awful.

But RSD put your self in that place. You are one of the close family (brother, sister, child of KR) at the church. You look around and see that KR, a brother of one of the victims is not present. What do you do?

First I would try to call him. Second I would ask one of his kids if they had spoke with him. Third I would tell KR2 to call the company he worked for and ask them to have him contact her as it was an emergency. Fourth when the company told me he wasn't at work that day I would have sped over to his trailer to tell him what was going on. All of that would have been done in maybe an hour.

So why wasn't it? Why was it 6 hours later and then they send a cousin? Were they too busy talking? Did they just not think it was important that KR know?

ETA: KR would have been one of the first people I would have wanted to talk to given the close relationship between him and CR1.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Here is what makes zero sense to me. At 7:00 AM (or around there) BJM finds CR1. She calls LM who in turn (maybe) calls JM to go tell CR1's ex wife (DR). They call ChelR and her mother. They call HHG's mom. They call KR2 who says she tried to call her dad KR. They call DS. They call TR and I am assuming BR. In fact over 150 relatives were congregated at the church by noon. But no one finds it odd that KR wasn't there? When they couldn't get him on the phone no one drives over to KR's trailer to tell him in person at say 8:00 AM when obviously they were calling and telling everyone in the family and even some who were not family the news? No one says "hey we need to tell KR his brother is dead"? No one tells KR2 " well if he's not answering his cell phone call the company he works at and tell them it's an emergency"? Tell them to get him on the phone so we can tell him his brother and his brothers whole family is dead. See that is what doesn't make sense to me. They called his brothers (TR and BR). They called his sisters. They called his mom. They called GR's family in KY. They called HHG's mom. They called ChelR and her mom. They called cousins, nephews, friends. But no one jumps in the car and drives over to tell KR when they can't get him on the phone?

The reason I say this is because when my younger brother was injured seriously in a car accident we started calling everyone in the family. This was way before cell phones were invented. One of my older brothers was working on a construction job and he was down in a creek bed pouring concrete. No way to get in touch with him. We called the office of the company he worked for and told them it was an emergency and to give him a message to call us back. Within five minutes he called back.

When my BIL passed away ( he lived in another state as did all of my husbands family) there had just been a huge storm that knocked down all the power lines to our house. ( A tree limb fell on them.) My SIL tried calling us for about an hour. When she couldn't get us on the phone she called the police department in our town and told them to come to our house and notify us of what happened. They were knocking on our door within minutes.

This is why it is so strange to me that the R family waited until 1:00 PM 6 hours after the discovery of CR1's body to go tell KR. It wasn't like he lived out of state or even a long distance away. (He lived less than ten miles away.) And then it was a cousin they sent to tell him. KR had three kids, why weren't they beating a path to his front door to tell him the news? It makes less sense that his three kids didn't go to his house than it does that DS didn't go until 1:00 PM.

That is what makes zero sense to me.

JMO

I see where you’re coming from and I’ve questioned that as well, but I just want to clarify a couple things on that timeline.

BJM did not arrive at CR1’s at 7 am. 7 am is the time she had to get her daughter on the bus.

That Friday morning started out much like every other morning, she said. Manley got up about 6:10 a.m. to wake her 15-year-old daughter by 6:30 a.m. and get her on the bus to school by 7. Then -- as she did most every weekday morning -- she drove over to the trailer of Christopher Rhoden, Sr., 40, to feed his dogs and chickens. Rhoden was her brother-in-law.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/84194756

The 911 call came in at 749 am. IIRC, LE arrived at 8:06-8:07 am. LE wasn’t even on scene until after 8 am to be able to sort out who’s who.

Also, I don’t believe BJM drove to her father’s. Has that ever been validated? I’ve always thought LM said BJM called him. I can’t find the video but I could be wrong. Didn’t he state that in the video on Saturday when he was mad and talking to reporters by his truck at the roadblock. He talked about it then when he was mad about LE keeping JM’s truck on that Friday.

BJM herself said she can’t recall how her brother JM came to find Dana.

Manley said she thinks one of the people in her car may have followed her into one of the trailers, but she's not sure which one or what they saw. She said she can't remember many details after the discoveries, including how her older brother, James Manley, came to find their sister Dana Rhoden dead in her trailer, which is north of the other two trailers on Union Hill Road.

Again, you have some valid points, I just wanted to give an accurate timeline. I think with
The chaos going on, LE didn’t know who was who within atleast the 1st hour. KR2 has said in a previous interview that they thought her father was at work and when he didn’t reply when he would’ve went to lunch, they became very concerned.

I still find that odd because in the event of such a tragedy, I would’ve thought a call would’ve been made to KR’s employer to notify him of such a tragedy. And then the employer would’ve said, KR’s not present at work today.

Also, didn’t BH and KR work together? Why didn’t he find it odd that KR wasn’t at work that morning?

At the end of the day, LE must not find any of this suspicious and must have checked all of this out or wouldn’t there be more people than the W’s with a laser focus on them?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I see where you’re coming from and I’ve questioned that as well, but I just want to clarify a couple things on that timeline.

BJM did not arrive at CR1’s at 7 am. 7 am is the time she had to get her daughter on the bus.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/84194756

The 911 call came in at 749 am. IIRC, LE arrived at 8:06-8:07 am. LE wasn’t even on scene until after 8 am to be able to sort out who’s who.

Also, I don’t believe BJM drove to her father’s. Has that ever been validated? I’ve always thought LM said BJM called him. I can’t find the video but I could be wrong. Didn’t he state that in the video on Saturday when he was mad and talking to reporters by his truck at the roadblock. He talked about it then when he was mad about LE keeping JM’s truck on that Friday.

BJM herself said she can’t recall how her brother JM came to find Dana.



Again, you have some valid points, I just wanted to give an accurate timeline. I think with
The chaos going on, LE didn’t know who was who within atleast the 1st hour. KR2 has said in a previous interview that they thought her father was at work and when he didn’t reply when he would’ve went to lunch, they became very concerned.

I still find that odd because in the event of such a tragedy, I would’ve thought a call would’ve been made to KR’s employer to notify him of such a tragedy. And then the employer would’ve said, KR’s not present at work today.

Also, didn’t BH and KR work together? Why didn’t he find it odd that KR wasn’t at work that morning?

At the end of the day, LE must not find any of this suspicious and must have checked all of this out or wouldn’t there be more people than the W’s with a laser focus on them?

BBM
I still find that odd because in the event of such a tragedy, I would’ve thought a call would’ve been made to KR’s employer to notify him of such a tragedy. And then the employer would’ve said, KR’s not present at work today.

Just so.

Also, didn’t BH and KR work together? Why didn’t he find it odd that KR wasn’t at work that morning?

Why didn't he tell a family member?

At the end of the day, LE must not find any of this suspicious

I don't agree. Reader and DeWine have stated over and over that they think some of the family members lied to them.

ETA: One of the nasty little thoughts that have been running through my head here lately is the reason no one went to any trouble to locate and tell KR about his brother is because they may have suspected he already knew i.e. that he did it or was involved in it someway.

JMO

 

[rsd1200]

Here is what makes zero sense to me. At 7:00 AM (or around there) BJM finds CR1. She calls LM who in turn (maybe) calls JM to go tell CR1's ex wife (DR). They call ChelR and her mother. They call HHG's mom. They call KR2 who says she tried to call her dad KR. They call DS. They call TR and I am assuming BR. In fact over 150 relatives were congregated at the church by noon. But no one finds it odd that KR wasn't there? When they couldn't get him on the phone no one drives over to KR's trailer to tell him in person at say 8:00 AM when obviously they were calling and telling everyone in the family and even some who were not family the news? No one says "hey we need to tell KR his brother is dead"? No one tells KR2 " well if he's not answering his cell phone call the company he works at and tell them it's an emergency"? Tell them to get him on the phone so we can tell him his brother and his brothers whole family is dead. See that is what doesn't make sense to me. They called his brothers (TR and BR). They called his sisters. They called his mom. They called GR's family in KY. They called HHG's mom. They called ChelR and her mom. They called cousins, nephews, friends. But no one jumps in the car and drives over to tell KR when they can't get him on the phone?

The reason I say this is because when my younger brother was injured seriously in a car accident we started calling everyone in the family. This was way before cell phones were invented. One of my older brothers was working on a construction job and he was down in a creek bed pouring concrete. No way to get in touch with him. We called the office of the company he worked for and told them it was an emergency and to give him a message to call us back. Within five minutes he called back.

When my BIL passed away ( he lived in another state as did all of my husbands family) there had just been a huge storm that knocked down all the power lines to our house. ( A tree limb fell on them.) My SIL tried calling us for about an hour. When she couldn't get us on the phone she called the police department in our town and told them to come to our house and notify us of what happened. They were knocking on our door within minutes.

This is why it is so strange to me that the R family waited until 1:00 PM 6 hours after the discovery of CR1's body to go tell KR. It wasn't like he lived out of state or even a long distance away. (He lived less than ten miles away.) And then it was a cousin they sent to tell him. KR had three kids, why weren't they beating a path to his front door to tell him the news? It makes less sense that his three kids didn't go to his house than it does that DS didn't go until 1:00 PM.

That is what makes zero sense to me.

JMO

BBM
There was a lot of family to contact, a huge family, and there ended up being seven, then eight, deaths. This is the best explanation I've seen. When he didn't call them on his lunch break, they then felt something was wrong. Not all companies have satellite phones in reach, and not all employees are able to carry cell phones on the job. I can't imagine the chaos, and emotions, that morning, but they thought since it was a Friday, and he was not known to miss work, that KR was at work, alive. They knew no different, except for, supposedly, DS.

But, the smiles disappeared when she relived the morning of April 22. The morning that would “rip every one of our hearts out,” Kendra said.

“KENNETH’S DEAD, YOUR DAD’S GONE”

The first call came early. It was a family member telling Kendra Rhoden her Uncle Chris had been shot.

“You try to get a hold of everybody, nobody’s answering,” Kendra said, recalling the morning she frantically tried to reach her family by phone.

By 1 p.m. Kendra - and the world - would find out it was more than just Uncle Chris. Killers had slipped down Union Hill Road and murdered her Aunt Dana, Uncle Chris, Uncle Gary and cousins Frankie, Hannah Gilley, Chris Jr. and Hanna May Rhoden. Most were shot, the attorney general said, in their beds.

The crime scene on Left Fork Road surrounded a camper. Inside was Kendra's father, Kenneth. His was the eighth body found that morning.

“We’re calling him. We’re leaving messages. He was supposed to be at work. Well, then, 12 o’clock came around, he was supposed to be on break. My dad never ignored me,” Kendra recalled. She'd thought her dad was at his job in Columbus.

Then, the family sent a friend and a Rhoden cousin over to check Kenneth’s home. The pair called Kendra’s aunt to tell her the news.

Rhoden family 'angry, hurt, confused' amid Pike County investigation

 

[RAISINISBACK]

BBM
There was a lot of family to contact, a huge family, and there ended up being seven, then eight, deaths. This is the best explanation I've seen. When he didn't call them on his lunch break, they then felt something was wrong. Not all companies have satellite phones in reach, and not all employees are able to carry cell phones on the job. I can't imagine the chaos, and emotions, that morning, but they thought since it was a Friday, and he was not known to miss work, that KR was at work, alive. They knew no different, except for, supposedly, DS.



Rhoden family 'angry, hurt, confused' amid Pike County investigation

BBM

There was a lot of family to contact, a huge family,

The fact that the family is huge means there were more people calling, talking on the phone. So more opportunities to contact KR. Then you have them all at the church. All together to notice someone was not there.

Rhoden family 'angry, hurt, confused' amid Pike County investigation

The first call came early. It was a family member telling Kendra Rhoden her Uncle Chris had been shot.

KR2 got the call early so at the very least KR2 knew her dad hadn't been contacted. So why didn't she act earlier? She gets the call early in the morning but waits until her dad gets a lunch break to start worrying? That just does not sound right. I'm sorry, but I guarantee that girl was on the phone calling and texting every person she knew telling them, so why not make a call to her dads employer, why not make more of an effort to notify him?

News like 8 members of your family have just been brutally slain is not news you wait until a lunch break to tell one of the victims brothers.

Not all companies have satellite phones in reach, and not all employees are able to carry cell phones on the job

All companies have some way for family members to contact an employee in case of emergency, even construction companies. Even on Deadliest Catch the captains on the fishing vessels way out in the ocean have phones for emergencies. Companies have an office or some manner of communication for safety reasons. For instance if an employee gets seriously injured on the job, they must have some way to call for help. So I don't care what kind of company KR worked at or what work he was doing, if she had called that company they would have gotten in contact with him.

JMO

 

[rsd1200]

I see where you’re coming from and I’ve questioned that as well, but I just want to clarify a couple things on that timeline.

BJM did not arrive at CR1’s at 7 am. 7 am is the time she had to get her daughter on the bus.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/84194756

The 911 call came in at 749 am. IIRC, LE arrived at 8:06-8:07 am. LE wasn’t even on scene until after 8 am to be able to sort out who’s who.

Also, I don’t believe BJM drove to her father’s. Has that ever been validated? I’ve always thought LM said BJM called him. I can’t find the video but I could be wrong. Didn’t he state that in the video on Saturday when he was mad and talking to reporters by his truck at the roadblock. He talked about it then when he was mad about LE keeping JM’s truck on that Friday.

BJM herself said she can’t recall how her brother JM came to find Dana.



Again, you have some valid points, I just wanted to give an accurate timeline. I think with
The chaos going on, LE didn’t know who was who within atleast the 1st hour. KR2 has said in a previous interview that they thought her father was at work and when he didn’t reply when he would’ve went to lunch, they became very concerned.

I still find that odd because in the event of such a tragedy, I would’ve thought a call would’ve been made to KR’s employer to notify him of such a tragedy. And then the employer would’ve said, KR’s not present at work today.

Also, didn’t BH and KR work together? Why didn’t he find it odd that KR wasn’t at work that morning?

At the end of the day, LE must not find any of this suspicious and must have checked all of this out or wouldn’t there be more people than the W’s with a laser focus on them?

It may just be his way of wording, but if I said, X "come out and got me" it means in my wording, that someone physically came and got me, most likely by vehicle.

BBM

Manley said the discovery of the bodies was first made by his daughter.

“She went in and found my grandson and his girlfriend dead [and] went down and found my brother-in-law and son-in-law and his cousin dead,” he said. “She came out and got me, then I went out there and my boy went to my daughter's house and they found them,” he said.

Pike Co. murder victim's father: those responsible knew family

 

[Betty P]

The reasons I ask these questions when accusations start flying at family members are:

• to determine if there's any legit reason, after 2 yrs) to suspect family involvement
• to determine if it's just aimless victim bashing

After such a long time, everyone is frustrated with so little information and no justice or progress on the part of LE in solving these horrible crimes. It just seems wrong to turn that frustration towards the victims, the surviving family members.

There's no big pot of gold for anyone at the end of the Rhoden family probate process. No evil, deranged family member hiding in plain sight. Just a lot of terrified, weary poor people living with a horrible family tragedy, knowing that it has been swept under the rug like so many other crimes and murders.

 

[Betty P]

It may just be his way of wording, but if I said, X "come out and got me" it means in my wording, that someone physically came and got me, most likely by vehicle.

BBM


Pike Co. murder victim's father: those responsible knew family

Yes, Leonard is saying those involved knew the family. He didn't say the killers were the family.

Keep applying pressure on LE. Keep seeking outside help with this case. Don't let them cover it up.

BTW, is there anything new on the Violet Rhoden Taylor murder? The tox reports should be back by now.

Anyone figure out the connection of the guy who drove the red pickup the night of the murders yet? Was he one of the killers or just a lookout? Do you think his truck was spotted by the security camera at the Union Hill Rd Church? How was he connected to the Wagners? Why would he have been helping them with the Rhoden family massacre? Who else was there?

 

[rsd1200]

BBM

There was a lot of family to contact, a huge family,

The fact that the family is huge means there were more people calling, talking on the phone. So more opportunities to contact KR. Then you have them all at the church. All together to notice someone was not there.

Rhoden family 'angry, hurt, confused' amid Pike County investigation

The first call came early. It was a family member telling Kendra Rhoden her Uncle Chris had been shot.

KR2 got the call early so at the very least KR2 knew her dad hadn't been contacted. So why didn't she act earlier? She gets the call early in the morning but waits until her dad gets a lunch break to start worrying? That just does not sound right. I'm sorry, but I guarantee that girl was on the phone calling and texting every person she knew telling them, so why not make a call to her dads employer, why not make more of an effort to notify him?

News like 8 members of your family have just been brutally slain is not news you wait until a lunch break to tell one of the victims brothers.

Not all companies have satellite phones in reach, and not all employees are able to carry cell phones on the job

All companies have some way for family members to contact an employee in case of emergency, even construction companies. Even on Deadliest Catch the captains on the fishing vessels way out in the ocean have phones for emergencies. Companies have an office or some manner of communication for safety reasons. For instance if an employee gets seriously injured on the job, they must have some way to call for help. So I don't care what kind of company KR worked at or what work he was doing, if she had called that company they would have gotten in contact with him.

JMO

KR2 is not thinking that her father would be dead. She just knows her uncle is dead. I find no fault with that. Yes, companies have satellite phones but they are usually in the trucks, in case of an employee emergency. Not all companies are extremely accessible when you work out in the field, doing the type of work that KR was known to do. KR2 was only 19. KR2 has a sister who was nearly 30, and other family. I see no foul play on an entire family's part. Why didn't TR, or BR, or any of his living sisters, go by there? KR was supposed to be at work. I can drive down the road and lose signal and I have the best plan you can get, or I'd not get signal here in my home. If I don't get an immediate call back or text, I figure the person is out of range.

 

[rsd1200]

Yes, Leonard is saying those involved knew the family. He didn't say the killers were the family.

Keep applying pressure on LE. Keep seeking outside help with this case. Don't let them cover it up.

BTW, is there anything new on the Violet Rhoden Taylor murder? The tox reports should be back by now.

Anyone figure out the connection of the guy who drove the red pickup the night of the murders yet? Was he one of the killers or just a lookout? Do you think his truck was spotted by the security camera at the Union Hill Rd Church? How was he connected to the Wagners? Why would he have been helping them with the Rhoden family massacre? Who else was there?

That wasn't what I was replying to. I'm not sure where all of the red truck stuff is coming from. I was replying to the part that I bolded in Mittens post.

 

[Betty P]

KR2 is not thinking that her father would be dead. She just knows her uncle is dead. I find no fault with that. Yes, companies have satellite phones but they are usually in the trucks, in case of an employee emergency. Not all companies are extremely accessible when you work out in the field, doing the type of work that KR was known to do. KR2 was only 19. KR2 has a sister who was nearly 30, and other family. I see no foul play on an entire family's part. Why didn't TR, or BR, or any of his living sisters, go by there? KR was supposed to be at work. I can drive down the road and lose signal and I have the best plan you can get, or I'd not get signal here in my home. If I don't get an immediate call back or text, I figure the person is out of range.

How would this be connected to the Wagners and the guy who owned the red truck that LE has linked to the murders?

 

[rsd1200]

How would this be connected to the Wagners and the guy who owned the red truck that LE has linked to the murders?

I do not understand where you are coming from.

 

[rsd1200]

How would this be connected to the Wagners and the guy who owned the red truck that LE has linked to the murders?

I do not understand where you are coming from.

 

[Betty P]

That wasn't what I was replying to. I'm not sure where all of the red truck stuff is coming from. I was replying to the part that I bolded in Mittens post.

The laser focus on the Wagners and the red truck LE said was connected to the murders are the two biggest clues LE has given us to work with. Anything we come up with has to somehow jive with those two bits of information.

As near as I can tell, aside from scant information from autopsy reports, those are the only two puzzle pieces on the table. Start with those pieces and try to make the speculation and theories fit.

For instance, if LE saw the red truck on the security video from the church on UHR, what would that tell us? That the person was driving to the Rhoden homes from an area north of the church? Who lives up that way? Where do those roads go? Where does the guy live who owned the red truck at that time?

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[rsd1200]

The laser focus on the Wagners and the red truck LE said was connected to the murders are the two biggest clues LE has given us to work with. Anything we come up with has to somehow jive with those two bits of information.

As near as I can tell, aside from scant information from autopsy reports, those are the only two puzzle pieces on the table.

I was replying to Mittens post, #1006, regarding, if LM had ever said, if someone came and got him. I bolded that. I don't recall mentioning the red truck, or the Ws.

 

[Betty P]

I was replying to Mittens post, #1006, regarding, if LM had ever said, if someone came and got him. I bolded that. I don't recall mentioning the red truck, or the Ws.

How is any of that relevant? We rehash this same discussion regularly here. There's nothing we can see that is out of whack with the timeline of Manley family members tragically discovering their murdered siblings, nieces, nephews, etc.

Please remember to post a link if you think you have a discrepancy.

Apologies in advance for my cynicism. This always feels like victim bashing, to me. Just finding ways to pick apart the scarce information provided to the public from distraught family members who found their kin horribly murdered that morning. Sorry, but I find it offensive. I can't believe those family members have had their lives turned upside down and still have to live with thise kinds of accusations from strangers every day for years and years.