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[RAISINISBACK]

Kind of off topic, but, interesting article.



Juggalos Tell Us How They’ve Been Affected by the Opioid Crisis

We need more education targeted at our young people.

They did it with tobacco, and the number of kids smoking cigarettes fell dramatically. I remember back when I was a teenager, smoking cigarettes was cool. All the movie stars did it and looked so cool, so every kid who watched a movie or TV show wanted to do it. The amazing thing is, no one thought it was wrong. You could smoke in a hospital, doctors offices. I remember going to the Dr when I was about 10 years old and the Dr examining me with a cigarette in his hand.

They started cracking down on them in the 80's, making it illegal to smoke in certain places, taking ads off TV. They began targeting kids in elementary school telling them how bad it was for them and soon you began to see more and more kids saying no when their buddy offered them a cigarette.

Ditto with alcohol and drunk driving.
Ditto with unprotected sex.

They need to do the same thing with opioids. Start a very aggressive campaign against opioid use in first grade and keep it up through 12th grade.

It just might work.

JMO

 

[rsd1200]

We need more education targeted at our young people.

They did it with tobacco, and the number of kids smoking cigarettes fell dramatically. I remember back when I was a teenager, smoking cigarettes was cool. All the movie stars did it and looked so cool, so every kid who watched a movie or TV show wanted to do it. The amazing thing is, no one thought it was wrong. You could smoke in a hospital, doctors offices. I remember going to the Dr when I was about 10 years old and the Dr examining me with a cigarette in his hand.

They started cracking down on them in the 80's, making it illegal to smoke in certain places, taking ads off TV. They began targeting kids in elementary school telling them how bad it was for them and soon you began to see more and more kids saying no when their buddy offered them a cigarette.

Ditto with alcohol and drunk driving.
Ditto with unprotected sex.

They need to do the same thing with opioids. Start a very aggressive campaign against opioid use in first grade and keep it up through 12th grade.

It just might work.

JMO

Maybe, Idk, the D.A.R.E. program was supposed to do that, and it was an utter failure, at least here. Maybe it was the presenters.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Maybe, Idk, the D.A.R.E. program was supposed to do that, and it was an utter failure, at least here. Maybe it was the presenters.

It needs to be total saturation like with cigarettes and drunk driving and unprotected sex. Every where kids turned, school, home, TV, movies, commercials, they saw people telling them not to smoke, not to drive drunk, not to have unprotected sex. Eventually it gets through to even the most stubborn kid.

JMO

 

[rsd1200]

It needs to be total saturation like with cigarettes and drunk driving and unprotected sex. Every where kids turned, school, home, TV, movies, commercials, they saw people telling them not to smoke, not to drive drunk, not to have unprotected sex. Eventually it gets through to even the most stubborn kid.

JMO

Almost every young person I know, smokes cigarettes, and I cannot tell you how many unwed teen mothers are in this county. No, it's not getting through. It will just be something else to take this problem's place. History constantly repeats itself. Only the strong survive.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

We need more education targeted at our young people.

They did it with tobacco, and the number of kids smoking cigarettes fell dramatically. I remember back when I was a teenager, smoking cigarettes was cool. All the movie stars did it and looked so cool, so every kid who watched a movie or TV show wanted to do it. The amazing thing is, no one thought it was wrong. You could smoke in a hospital, doctors offices. I remember going to the Dr when I was about 10 years old and the Dr examining me with a cigarette in his hand.

They started cracking down on them in the 80's, making it illegal to smoke in certain places, taking ads off TV. They began targeting kids in elementary school telling them how bad it was for them and soon you began to see more and more kids saying no when their buddy offered them a cigarette.

Ditto with alcohol and drunk driving.
Ditto with unprotected sex.

They need to do the same thing with opioids. Start a very aggressive campaign against opioid use in first grade and keep it up through 12th grade.

It just might work.

JMO

They do have a lot of education. And on top of that, newspapaers and media across the country constantly have overdose articles in the paper or a blip on the news about an overdose here or
an overdose there.

We need more doctors who aren’t money hungry for the almighty dollar to stop shoving pills down people’s throats. They’re getting better at not over prescribing BUT the disaster that’s been created over the last decade will last a lifetime.

Here’s an example. When I had my first c section, I was sent home from the hospital with Percocet. 5mg. Prescribed 2 pills every 3 hours. And was given 90 pills. I was also a teenager. How ignorant is that? Thankfully, I wasn’t dumb and I also didn’t like the way they made me feel. BUT I’m not everyone and the rest of the people who did like how the pain pills made them feel, kept chasing that high because they were given too many pain pills by a doctor that was supposed to protect them. And doctors would keep writing refills and so on and so on. It started in one place and that was with physicians who were either naive and trusted their patients when they kept coming back for ache after ache requesting that Vicodin or they liked the $$$.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

They got 2 mirecfrom detrout as well I’ll look up link.

Two physicians in Detroit were arrested for complete false patients. They had people hiring the homeless building fake patient profiles. In one year together they wrote for

684,000 units (mg) of strongopiods

The feds shut them down.

This is a fine example of why we are in crisis.

At $10.00 per mg = almost

$7,000,000.00. For ONE YEAR!!!!!!

And worse pain patients in need are very limited as of January 2018.

 

[rsd1200]

I think a lot depends on the individual. I have a family member who hardly to

They do have a lot of education. And on top of that, newspapaers and media across the country constantly have overdose articles in the paper or a blip on the news about an overdose here or
an overdose there.

We need more doctors who aren’t money hungry for the almighty dollar to stop shoving pills down people’s throats. They’re getting better at not over prescribing BUT the disaster that’s been created over the last decade will last a lifetime.

Here’s an example. When I had my first c section, I was sent home from the hospital with Percocet. 5mg. Prescribed 2 pills every 3 hours. And was given 90 pills. I was also a teenager. How ignorant is that? Thankfully, I wasn’t dumb and I also didn’t like the way they made me feel. BUT I’m not everyone and the rest of the people who did like how the pain pills made them feel, kept chasing that high because they were given too many pain pills by a doctor that was supposed to protect them. And doctors would keep writing refills and so on and so on. It started in one place and that was with physicians who were either naive and trusted their patients when they kept coming back for ache after ache requesting that Vicodin or they liked the $$$.

I think the addiction is either there, or it isn't. it's a genetic thing that passes down. I can just look at my own family! I didn't get it, it skipped me. Most can use pain meds, some for a long time, and may become dependent upon them to ease pain, but can be weaned off as they heal, and they'll be fine. However, it grabs others. The formers' 30 day scrip will last them 30 days or maybe more, the latter's 30 day scrip might last them two days. Yanking either one of them off of their meds, will create a bad situation, in that they may very well turn to street drugs. People will find something to take away the pain, either mental of physical. There's always liquor if ya can't find anything else, and it's perfectly legal.

 

[ilovepierre]

I think a lot depends on the individual. I have a family member who hardly to


I think the addiction is either there, or it isn't. it's a genetic thing that passes down. I can just look at my own family! I didn't get it, it skipped me. Most can use pain meds, some for a long time, and may become dependent upon them to ease pain, but can be weaned off as they heal, and they'll be fine. However, it grabs others. The formers' 30 day scrip will last them 30 days or maybe more, the latter's 30 day scrip might last them two days. Yanking either one of them off of their meds, will create a bad situation, in that they may very well turn to street drugs. People will find something to take away the pain, either mental of physical. There's always liquor if ya can't find anything else, and it's perfectly legal.

So true!
My dad got the addictive personality gene as did my younger brother. Both got into some troubles with cocaine. My dad has been been clean for almost 11 years and I know my brother still struggles to stay clean He's been to rehab, but he's relapsed since then. I do have the gene as well, so I avoid situations where I could get into trouble. It completely skipped my sister.

 

[rsd1200]

So true!
My dad got the addictive personality gene as did my younger brother. Both got into some troubles with cocaine. My dad has been been clean for almost 11 years and I know my brother still struggles to stay clean He's been to rehab, but he's relapsed since then. I do have the gene as well, so I avoid situations where I could get into trouble. It completely skipped my sister.

I feel for you. Hang in there. We're going through it, full tilt, with one ourselves. Very few families around here, who aren't, if they're being honest.

 

[Betty P]

Kind of off topic, but, interesting article.



Juggalos Tell Us How They’ve Been Affected by the Opioid Crisis

Sad stories, but it sounds like a lot of them are getting clean. I know someone (not a Juggalo) who worked at that festival. They said the Juggalos were a nice group. Almost no violence. After the vestival was over, a large group of them stayed behind and picked up all the trash. He said it was much, much better than the C&W festival at the same venue last year, where people were so drunk they crawled around on their hands and knees. Lots of fighting at that one.

Those kids in the article seem pretty young, so there's hope they can kick their addictions.

ETA: One of their special events at the end of the festival is pretty funny. They brought in pallets full of various flavors of Faygo soda. They pass them out and everyone shakes and opens them, spraying the whole place with all the colored stickiness. They let all the tech people know in advance so they could secure and tape up all the electronic equipment.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Almost every young person I know, smokes cigarettes, and I cannot tell you how many unwed teen mothers are in this county. No, it's not getting through. It will just be something else to take this problem's place. History constantly repeats itself. Only the strong survive.

In my generation almost all the kids in high school smoked. In college there were fewer that smoked but still a lot of them did. My brothers and all their friends smoked at one time during the late 50's and 60's. They began quitting in the mid 70's. Only one of my nephews and one niece (80's generation) smoked. They quit in the 90's. None of my grandchildren smoke and only one of the third generation (2000 generation) in our family does so. And we stay on him continually so that if he does still smoke he never does it around family. We don't allow smokers in our houses or cars or businesses.

So at this time there are only a few people I see that still smoke. But then this state keeps adding taxes to tobacco at a fast rate so that now a carton of cigarettes is about 70.00. (I called and checked at Walmart so I could be accurate in this post.) Soon after the fall election there will be a dollar tax hike per pack of cigarettes bringing the price of a carton of cigarettes up to 80.00 per carton.

So I feel like the saturation in grades 1 through 12 worked here where I live.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

I was reading an article earlier this week, will have to find it. It stated that prescriptions for Oxy and other opiods have NOT declined in the last several years, despite promises by physicians that they would cut back. I've heard many docs are cutting back on scripts for heavy duty painkillers, but there must still be others who are making up for it by prescribing more.

The "voluntary" method isn't working. Sounds like we need more focused government oversight of these prescriptions.

They do have a lot of education. And on top of that, newspapaers and media across the country constantly have overdose articles in the paper or a blip on the news about an overdose here or
an overdose there.

We need more doctors who aren’t money hungry for the almighty dollar to stop shoving pills down people’s throats. They’re getting better at not over prescribing BUT the disaster that’s been created over the last decade will last a lifetime.

Here’s an example. When I had my first c section, I was sent home from the hospital with Percocet. 5mg. Prescribed 2 pills every 3 hours. And was given 90 pills. I was also a teenager. How ignorant is that? Thankfully, I wasn’t dumb and I also didn’t like the way they made me feel. BUT I’m not everyone and the rest of the people who did like how the pain pills made them feel, kept chasing that high because they were given too many pain pills by a doctor that was supposed to protect them. And doctors would keep writing refills and so on and so on. It started in one place and that was with physicians who were either naive and trusted their patients when they kept coming back for ache after ache requesting that Vicodin or they liked the $$$.

nd

 

[RAISINISBACK]

They do have a lot of education. And on top of that, newspapaers and media across the country constantly have overdose articles in the paper or a blip on the news about an overdose here or
an overdose there.

We need more doctors who aren’t money hungry for the almighty dollar to stop shoving pills down people’s throats. They’re getting better at not over prescribing BUT the disaster that’s been created over the last decade will last a lifetime.

Here’s an example. When I had my first c section, I was sent home from the hospital with Percocet. 5mg. Prescribed 2 pills every 3 hours. And was given 90 pills. I was also a teenager. How ignorant is that? Thankfully, I wasn’t dumb and I also didn’t like the way they made me feel. BUT I’m not everyone and the rest of the people who did like how the pain pills made them feel, kept chasing that high because they were given too many pain pills by a doctor that was supposed to protect them. And doctors would keep writing refills and so on and so on. It started in one place and that was with physicians who were either naive and trusted their patients when they kept coming back for ache after ache requesting that Vicodin or they liked the $$$.

I agree. We need laws holding DR's accountable for over prescribing pills and prescribing pills for any thing less than severe pain (like cancer). But I don't see it happening. Dr's like CPA's and attorneys are pretty much left to their own moral code and ethics to use restraint.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I think a lot depends on the individual. I have a family member who hardly to


I think the addiction is either there, or it isn't. it's a genetic thing that passes down. I can just look at my own family! I didn't get it, it skipped me. Most can use pain meds, some for a long time, and may become dependent upon them to ease pain, but can be weaned off as they heal, and they'll be fine. However, it grabs others. The formers' 30 day scrip will last them 30 days or maybe more, the latter's 30 day scrip might last them two days. Yanking either one of them off of their meds, will create a bad situation, in that they may very well turn to street drugs. People will find something to take away the pain, either mental of physical. There's always liquor if ya can't find anything else, and it's perfectly legal.

Well here in my state they can get off opioids and get on the 8 oz of MJ we voted in for medical purposes. Raise themselves 6 plants and 6 seedlings. Eat 72 oz of the edible MJ.

I read and heard from various sources MJ is an excellent pain reliever. I voted for that law and am proud of doing so, even though I have never smoked it or even seen it in anything other than pictures on the internet. But ...it's there if I ever need it now. lol.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Sad stories, but it sounds like a lot of them are getting clean. I know someone (not a Juggalo) who worked at that festival. They said the Juggalos were a nice group. Almost no violence. After the vestival was over, a large group of them stayed behind and picked up all the trash. He said it was much, much better than the C&W festival at the same venue last year, where people were so drunk they crawled around on their hands and knees. Lots of fighting at that one.

Those kids in the article seem pretty young, so there's hope they can kick their addictions.

ETA: One of their special events at the end of the festival is pretty funny. They brought in pallets full of various flavors of Faygo soda. They pass them out and everyone shakes and opens them, spraying the whole place with all the colored stickiness. They let all the tech people know in advance so they could secure and tape up all the electronic equipment.

What is a Juggalo?

 

[rsd1200]

Sad stories, but it sounds like a lot of them are getting clean. I know someone (not a Juggalo) who worked at that festival. They said the Juggalos were a nice group. Almost no violence. After the vestival was over, a large group of them stayed behind and picked up all the trash. He said it was much, much better than the C&W festival at the same venue last year, where people were so drunk they crawled around on their hands and knees. Lots of fighting at that one.

Those kids in the article seem pretty young, so there's hope they can kick their addictions.

ETA: One of their special events at the end of the festival is pretty funny. They brought in pallets full of various flavors of Faygo soda. They pass them out and everyone shakes and opens them, spraying the whole place with all the colored stickiness. They let all the tech people know in advance so they could secure and tape up all the electronic equipment.

Im glad he had a good experience. The ones I know are very nice, and polite My kid happens to be one. Faygo is a part of their culture and identity. Cracks me up!

 

[rsd1200]

Well here in my state they can get off opioids and get on the 8 oz of MJ we voted in for medical purposes. Raise themselves 6 plants and 6 seedlings. Eat 72 oz of the edible MJ.

I read and heard from various sources MJ is an excellent pain reliever. I voted for that law and am proud of doing so, even though I have never smoked it or even seen it in anything other than pictures on the internet. But ...it's there if I ever need it now. lol.

I'm 100% pro weed. Long as I can grow me a couple of my own plants, too.

 

[rsd1200]

What is a Juggalo?

They are followers of the Insane Clown Posse, musical group. Look up Miracles, by ICP, if you want a tamer song, as intro to the group, and culture.

 

[rsd1200]

I was reading an article earlier this week, will have to find it. It stated that prescriptions for Oxy and other opiods have NOT declined in the last several years, despite promises by physicians that they would cut back. I've heard many docs are cutting back on scripts for heavy duty painkillers, but there must still be others who are making up for it by prescribing more.

The "voluntary" method isn't working. Sounds like we need more focused government oversight of these prescriptions.




nd

I was reading an article earlier this week, will have to find it. It stated that prescriptions for Oxy and other opiods have NOT declined in the last several years, despite promises by physicians that they would cut back. I've heard many docs are cutting back on scripts for heavy duty painkillers, but there must still be others who are making up for it by prescribing more.

The "voluntary" method isn't working. Sounds like we need more focused government oversight of these prescriptions.




nd

Yes, they are/were cutting back, probably too fast, because of CYA. That's why there's a heroin, problem, not to mention other street drugs, in Appalachia, and other places. The last thing we need is more oversight.

The 24-year-old came to Florida to shake an addiction to opioid pills, but trying to go through rehab in a region known as the prescription capital of America proved too much. When a government crackdown curtailed his supply of pills, Fata turned to readily available heroin to fill the void.

How cracking down on America's painkiller capital led to a heroin crisis

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I was reading an article earlier this week, will have to find it. It stated that prescriptions for Oxy and other opiods have NOT declined in the last several years, despite promises by physicians that they would cut back. I've heard many docs are cutting back on scripts for heavy duty painkillers, but there must still be others who are making up for it by prescribing more.

The "voluntary" method isn't working. Sounds like we need more focused government oversight of these prescriptions.




nd

Truth. I see it every single day. Regular primary care physicians aren’t giving pain pills hardly at all. ER’s will only give a couple day supply, if any at all. Primary care physicians are referring to psych and pain management; psych and pain management if the patient is taking both opiates and benzos. Pain management if it’s opiates by themselves.

It boils down to the doctors who aren’t specialized aren’t writing the scripts anymore but the specialists are and they track the patient in a federal RX Mapping system as well as drug testing with monthly visits.

If anything, more money is being made because the scripts are still being written on top of drug testing fees and monthly office visits.